@aka1178 posted:Thanks but looking for just the BASE-1L
Probably out of luck for the BASE1L, they haven't been around alone for some time.
@gunrunnerjohn posted:Probably out of luck for the BASE1L, they haven't been around alone for some time.
Curiosity question, what have people been using if they need a new base for their CAB-1L remotes since the base-3 has been delayed so long? With the BASE-3 Lionel seems have raised the cost of entry for new hobbyist. CAB-1L seems to be a low cost entry point where one could eventually grow into a BASE-3.
A layout only needs one command base, and can support many remotes. Many people already have a Legacy command system and just wanted a simpler remote that was more rugged, that's why I bought the CAB1L's. I actually sold an extra BASE1L I had as I had no use for it.
Why not get the Base/Cab-1L set from Sidetrack and the sell your extra Cab-1L remote?
@rplst8 posted:Why not get the Base/Cab-1L set from Sidetrack and the sell your extra Cab-1L remote?
No longer in stock!
Older handheld remotes: (1.) the antenna fails/ falls apart. (2.) The key pad, behind the rubber-ish touch buttons, may need cleaned/re-vitalized. There was a forum thread on this subject.
@hokie71 posted:No longer in stock!
When you snooze, you lose! 
@gunrunnerjohn posted:Note that they said CAB1L. The BASE1L was previously announced as going away, but the CAB1L would still be offered to use with the new BASE3. The Legacy #990 base and CAB2 are also going away. Not sure when we'll see the BASE3, last I heard was in the spring.
Targeting sometime in the summer 23 for the Base3. Still working away at buttoning up the design. Just wanting it to be perfect!
Yes, the Base-1L is discontinued. We could no longer get the wall plug, and it turned out it no longer met the new AC transformer regulations. This applied to the Base2 as well. It was the same reason we had to redesign the PH180 and CW80. We have put our efforts into the Base3 to meet all new requirements for power.
For those waiting for the Cab-1L remotes, they arrived yesterday and will be shipping out soon.
@gunrunnerjohn posted:I'm still struggling with the idea that the BASE3 provided enhanced functionality over the IRV2 and the add-on sensors! It doesn't provide any of that functionality!
It doesn't. It was just tacked onto that list. The IRV2 was discontinued due to component availability issues, drastic price increases, and low sales volume.
Thanks,
Dave
@Dave Olson posted:Targeting sometime in the summer 23 for the Base3. Still working away at buttoning up the design. Just wanting it to be perfect!
Yes, the Base-1L is discontinued. We could no longer get the wall plug, and it turned out it no longer met the new AC transformer regulations. This applied to the Base2 as well. It was the same reason we had to redesign the PH180 and CW80. We have put our efforts into the Base3 to meet all new requirements for power.
So if the wall plug for your LionChief sets can no longer be sourced, will you discontinue those too?
The common wall adapters used in Lionchief sets are significantly different from the wall adaptors used for the BASE & BASE2. The BASE wall adapters are 3 pronged because they essentially use your household ground as an antenna.
Certainly a sad state of affairs for those trying to jump into command control.
Attention spans aren't that long these days. Business is being lost by not having command systems available.
@rplst8 posted:So if the wall plug for your LionChief sets can no longer be sourced, will you discontinue those too?
Those output DC power. Only power supplies that output AC have been affected.
@Dave Olson posted:Those output DC power. Only power supplies that output AC have been affected.
The question still stands. I never implied they were the same.
@H1000 posted:The common wall adapters used in Lionchief sets are significantly different from the wall adaptors used for the BASE & BASE2. The BASE wall adapters are 3 pronged because they essentially use your household ground as an antenna.
I understand and know how the TMCC signal works. The question still remains.
@rplst8 posted:I understand and know how the TMCC signal works. The question still remains.
The power supply that Lionel uses in their starter sets are so commonly used in so many other industries, that sourcing a new provider is too easy. There is nothing special about them and there are probably hundreds of manufactures that already make or can make a power supply that will meet Lionel's specifications for a cheap price. Basically, if Lionel isn't able to source such a generic power supply as this there are going to be a lot of other industries that will be feeling the same pain. Short of an Earth ending event, I don't see how this could ever happen. If UL changes some requirement for toy transformers later on down the road, Lionel and others will adapt and continue to provide.
Frustration is pretty much pervasive in life these days and I sympathize. I cannot recall what life was like when I ate in a restaurant, travelled by air or sat in a movie theater without thinking at all about the safety of these activities, for simple ones. More folks are needing to go to food banks despite low unemployment. Not the easiest time in history for sure.
Things will probably improve at some point. Once the Base 3 is available, I'm sure Lionel will consider feedback on what they should do for remotes. My understanding is that the Base 3 will respond to LionChief remotes, including the $50 universal remote, so those that gotta have a physical remote can use that device to talk to the Base 3, as well as the cab-1L if they want something a bit more capable. Just speculating based upon what I've remembered or misremembered from presentations 
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Hopefully neither Ryan Kunkle nor Dave Olson will retire any time soon. In my opinion, having met all these guys from the past, they are competent heirs to the Lionel traditions of Jon Z., Mike R. and Lou K. Not to mention Neil Young .
Right now, I've got a ZW-L I bought some years ago for about $600 (sometimes it's better to be lucky than smart), TMCC, a used cab-2 and used Legacy base, a new cab-2 backup, a cab-1L I just received from my dealer and a LionChief universal remote. I suspect a Base 3 is in my future some day. I only bought the Legacy system (and a backup remote) when the writing was on the wall that these were going to be history. I suppose the lesson is, if you can afford to do so, buy the stuff you might want in the future because nothing stays the same. In the mean while, with no permanent layout, I enjoy looking at all this stuff, occasionally using them on a floor layout. I also am thinking how fortunate I am for a kid whose parents couldn't afford toy trains in the 1950s. I'm definitely going to die with the best toys, hopefully not anytime soon.
@Landsteiner posted:Things will probably improve at some point. Once the Base 3 is available, I'm sure Lionel will consider feedback on what they should do for remotes. My understanding is that the Base 3 will respond to LionChief remotes, including the $50 universal remote, so those that gotta have a physical remote can use that device to talk to the Base 3, as well as the cab-1L if they want something a bit more capable. Just speculating based upon what I've remembered or misremembered from presentations
I doubt the BASE3 will talk to the LC remotes, it will control LC/LC+ engines using the app or one of the TMCC/Legacy remotes.
Nowhere does it mention talking to the LC/LC+ remotes or the Universal Remote.
I guess that was wishful thinking on my part. Hopefully, it won't be too challenging to make the Base 3 2.0 + respond to the Universal Remote or a new version of the Universal Remote in the future.
Too many folks who don't want to use their $1,200 smart phone or $500 tablet, with no physical feedback to change TV channels and/or talk to their trains. I much prefer a physical remote for both my TV/cable/Roku and my trains, rather than a smart device with no tactile feedback. I think that's a common preference. Lionel would be wise to listen to the customers if this is the case.
@Landsteiner posted:Hopefully, it won't be too challenging to make the Base 3 2.0 + respond to the Universal Remote or a new version of the Universal Remote in the future.
Lol!! Of course!!!😆😆😆
I think the overall command strategy of Lionel has been disconnected and confusing at best. Had they stuck with TMCC even in the lower end product offerings things would have been better. What they should have done IMO is invested in creating a low cost command base remote system to pack with starter sets that was TMCC based. The Bluetooth system isn't the greatest, range is limited and it's hard to grow with the limited abilities of the Bluetooth package they've installed in engines. The earlier radio based Lionchief stuff worked good for a starter sets but could have been in a unified platform from get go.
Now we wait on Base3 which hopes to address all of these issues that honestly could have just been avoided. If you can put TMCC in one of those little inspection cars, it certainly could have been put in any locomotive that Lionel has sold in a starter set. If they had gone that route everyone could run anything today with a TMCC/Legacy based control system.
