Wow! I didn't see this one coming at all. Having grown up in the aream this was my local excursion train. I think it is so cool that Lionel is going to make this set, as it is today. The engine and cars show up on all sorts of excursions in the SouthEast Pa area.
Mine is on order! Who else is up for this?
Glenn
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Looks nice; here's the link:
@Gpritch posted:Wow! I didn't see this one coming at all. Having grown up in the aream this was my local excursion train. I think it is so cool that Lionel is going to make this set, as it is today. The engine and cars show up on all sorts of excursions in the SouthEast Pa area.
Mine is on order! Who else is up for this?
Glenn
I'm ordering it. I, too, was very surprised to see it. I bet the rail sounds are totally off. I went through them on a reading loco recently done by Lionel and the dispatch/engineer definitely had new york accents.
Very nice. Are there any other past offerings besides the green railcar I already have?
Count me in. I'm about equidistant between Strasburg and New Hope, but regrettably have overlooked this shortline. Have all the MTH Strasburg 64' Wood passenger cars. Once COVID is past, will put New Hope & Ivy top of my to-do places to visit!
Choice of the GP-30 was easy, but hope Lionel does some eastern PA shortline steam! Strasburg 475 or number 90, etc. (NOT a Camel Back).
@TheRambles posted:I'm ordering it. I, too, was very surprised to see it. I bet the rail sounds are totally off. I went through them on a reading loco recently done by Lionel and the dispatch/engineer definitely had new york accents.
You mean the operator should have had an accent because New Yorkers dont have accents Everybody else does. I really hate when that happens I purchased an MTH Staten Island 44 tonner and the guy had a Boston accent Most other engines sound like the guys from Deliverance
@TheRambles posted:I'm ordering it. I, too, was very surprised to see it. I bet the rail sounds are totally off. I went through them on a reading loco recently done by Lionel and the dispatch/engineer definitely had new york accents.
Good thing Lionel is implementing the LVC and updated RailSounds on this set so you can do the recordings yourself and get a relatively accurate horn this time around.
MTH had the mic feature in DCS for years, so I’m glad Lionel is incorporating it in their system at last.
I think feature wise this set will be fine, but I just hope they’ll do the dark cranberry red paint color justice.
LOL my aunt lives 200 ft from the New Hope station and every time the train horn (or whistle in the old days) sounds, she complains about the train - meanwhile, I love it every time I hear it! I might have to get one of these too!
@Mikado 4501 posted:Good thing Lionel is implementing the LVC and updated RailSounds on this set so you can do the recordings yourself and get a relatively accurate horn this time around.
MTH had the mic feature in DCS for years, so I’m glad Lionel is incorporating it in their system at last.
I think feature wise this set will be fine, but I just hope they’ll do the dark cranberry red paint color justice.
Has it been confirmed whether the voice streaming and recording is included with Legacy locomotives ? Looking at the the new catalog notice only the new starter sets with Bluetooth 5 mention the new voice Streaming and Recording feature. All the Legacy locos have the LVC icon but not the Live Voice Streaming and Recording icon.
It's a very nice looking set. I live in New Hope and hear it when it runs through the crossings. Music to my ears....especially when the steam Baldwin #40 is running.
I forgot. I was able to hit the train show at the firehouse a few times, too.
@ed h posted:Has it been confirmed whether the voice streaming and recording is included with Legacy locomotives ? Looking at the the new catalog notice only the new starter sets with Bluetooth 5 mention the new voice Streaming and Recording feature. All the Legacy locos have the LVC icon but not the Live Voice Streaming and Recording icon.
That is a good point.
Considering all LEGACY engines now have Bluetooth and (with the prices we pay for them) it’s being advertised in the O scale section, you’d think they would have this feature going in with the most up to date Bluetooth software installed.
Think @Dave Olson can chime in here on this?
My wife's medical practice is called "The New Hope Center for Reproductive Medicine". I'll be getting the set as a tribute to her. Besides. It's way cool too!!
Mark
The voice streaming seems only to be in starter sets, not legacy locomotives
Will the passenger cars be the the standard Lionel heavyweights or something else?
@bluelinec4 posted:You mean the operator should have had an accent because New Yorkers dont have accents Everybody else does. I really hate when that happens I purchased an MTH Staten Island 44 tonner and the guy had a Boston accent Most other engines sound like the guys from Deliverance
LOL! Pak da ca in Woosta, as da cop how ta get ta havad yaad!
This is an Orange line train...
Next stop...Malden Centa.
@prr4935 posted:... but hope Lionel does some eastern PA shortline steam! Strasburg 475 or number 90, etc. (NOT a Camel Back).
Lionel measured 90's dimensions a few years back, implying that it is on their to-do list. Given that Strasburg is by far the well-known between the two short lines, I was surprised that Lionel did a New Hope set before Strasburg 90.
If you don't like Strasburg camel back
@tom21pa posted:
If you don't like Strasburg camel back
I saw this a few months back. While Strasburg own's the engine, I've only ever seen the real 972 in pieces. Just having the Strasburg name on an engine isn't enough to make me spend the money on it. I would choose the 8618 in the 2021 catalog over this engine, but would still rather save the money for something higher on my "wish-list".
That being said, I appreciate that Nicholas Smith has had custom run Strasburg products (from both Lionel and MTH) pretty consistently over the past 10+ years.
@Tuscan Jim posted:Looks nice; here's the link:
I spent my youth in the area, rode it many times in the early 1970s. I want to say late '60s, but I'm not sure (though I did see PP&M at Lambertville in '67). However I can tell you beyond a doubt... that ain't it. No steam and too many coaches.
Tom Stoltz
in Maine -- now
@dorfj2 posted:
Well, I stand corrected... it's been a while, but what fun is this compared with the little 2-8-0 and 2 cars?
Tom Stoltz
in Maine
With so many classic color schemes that were worn by Fallen Flag railroads all across the U.S., I don't understand why some regional, short line, and tourist roads have to choose funky colors to paint their Diesel locomotives? Some of them appear to be copied from the pages of some kid's coloring book where he or she went wild while trying out every color found in the 96 count box of Crayola (Reg.U.S.Pat.Off.) crayons.
Thank goodness the Strasberg Rail Road (and a host of others, including the NH&I) got it right from the Get Go!
Item: Union Pacific's tribute to The Katy on their heritage locomotive is completely out to lunch and the stale sandwich scheme proves it! On the other hand, UP should get an A+ for the Mopac scheme, Eagle and all. Fantastic!
@Gpritch posted:Will the passenger cars be the the standard Lionel heavyweights or something else?
The New Hope passenger cars are the new scale Reading cars, not the heavyweights.
@Bill Henning posted:The New Hope passenger cars are the new scale Reading cars, not the heavyweights.
How close to Reading are they?
Tom Stoltz
in Maine
Pre-ordered the set from Henning's.
Mark
@Tom Stoltz posted:How close to Reading are they?
Tom Stoltz
in Maine
We should find out soon, as I hear the Reading ones are starting to arrive. I'm just waiting to hear from my dealer.
@CarGuyZM10 posted:We should find out soon, as I hear the Reading ones are starting to arrive. I'm just waiting to hear from my dealer.
These the ones? READING 18" PASSENGER CAR 2-PACK 3
@TheRambles posted:These the ones? READING 18" PASSENGER CAR 2-PACK 3
sort of... guess one can add the signature battery boxes,
Tom Stoltz
in Maine
@TheRambles posted:I'm ordering it. I, too, was very surprised to see it. I bet the rail sounds are totally off.
I'd be far more concerned about the color. Lionels reds have been all over the place for at least the last 2 or 3 years. It well take an absolute miracle to get this one right. That yellow pinstripe will be a challenge too.
@Tom Stoltz posted:How close to Reading are they?
Tom Stoltz
in Maine
We’ll know once they actually come out. Hopefully fairly accurate.
@RickO posted:I'd be far more concerned about the color. Lionels reds have been all over the place for at least the last 2 or 3 years. It well take an absolute miracle to get this one right. That yellow pinstripe will be a challenge too.
Just look at the Boston & Maine set they just did.....locomotive didn't match passenger cars at all.
I'm in for this set, have rode this train several times. My avatar photo has the 2198 GP-30 in the background.
The New Hope & Ivyland set is on the top of my preorder list too. I have ridden on the prototype many a time as well as just visiting. Hopefully when Lionel reruns their consolidations they will include a # 40 as a option (engine only) @dave olson
I would be in for the #40 if they do it.
JohnB
I'd love to order this set, but I have some 031 curves on my main run. I think that would work for the engine, but not the cars. 😥😥
This nice GP30 is equally impressive either long or short hood forward:
Many enjoyable hours were spent at the New Hope train station with my grandchildren when we lived in Washington Crossing PA! After watching the train leave the station, we sometimes walked down the street to Dunkin Donuts for a treat and by the time we finished and walked back up the hill to the station, we heard the horn off in the distance and waited for the train to return from it's trip through beautiful Bucks County! The train would return with the locomotive in front but backwards (i.e. long hood forward) as they had no way to turn it around. Same procedure when steam engine #40 was running. What an almost alive little beast that engine is, maybe as others stated above, Lionel may decorate a future locomotive like this:
This will be my first ever pre order.
@Tom Stoltz posted:sort of... guess one can add the signature battery boxes,
Tom Stoltz
in Maine
Does anyone know if 18" is the correct scale length for these cars?
@Paul Finn posted:Does anyone know if 18" is the correct scale length for these cars?
In 0 gauge -- I doubt it. 18" in 0 gauge is 72 ft, I think the O-B coaches are 80+ ft.
Tom Stoltz
in Maine
@stangtrain posted:Many enjoyable hours were spent at the New Hope train station with my grandchildren when we lived in Washington Crossing PA! After watching the train leave the station, we sometimes walked down the street to Dunkin Donuts for a treat and by the time we finished and walked back up the hill to the station, we heard the horn off in the distance and waited for the train to return from it's trip through beautiful Bucks County! The train would return with the locomotive in front but backwards (i.e. long hood forward) as they had no way to turn it around. Same procedure when steam engine #40 was running. What an almost alive little beast that engine is, maybe as others stated above, Lionel may decorate a future locomotive like this:
Bowman's Tower, Point Pleasant Canoes, Bucks County Playhouse. Hey, how about the Bucks County Drive-in...
@Tom Stoltz posted:In 0 gauge -- I doubt it. 18" in 0 gauge is 72 ft, I think the O-B coaches are 80+ ft.
Tom Stoltz
in Maine
According to the Reading Tech website, these cars were 72' 5" long. The cafe cars were 82' 10" long.
@CarGuyZM10 posted:According to the Reading Tech website, these cars were 72' 5" long. The cafe cars were 82' 10" long.
Yep, I stand corrected again. I realized after my post that the O-B coaches are the New Haven rather than Reading. I do know CNJ used 72 ft shorties, still I though the Reading were longer, but no. I should have looked at my own files first -- sorry.
Tom Stoltz
in Maine
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@CarGuyZM10 posted:According to the Reading Tech website, these cars were 72' 5" long. The cafe cars were 82' 10" long.
Thanks for looking into this. I'm glad the Lionel model are the right length.
@Tom Stoltz posted:Yep, I stand corrected again. I realized after my post that the O-B coaches are the New Haven rather than Reading. I do know CNJ used 72 ft shorties, still I though the Reading were longer, but no. I should have looked at my own files first -- sorry.
Tom Stoltz
in Maine
Thanks for looking into this. I'm glad the Lionel models are the right length.
Will the scale GP30 from the set be able to negotiate )-31 curves? I know the cars will not.
Will the engine and cars clear an 022 switch if only going straight?
Suppose the curves on the route include mostly 054 curves, but there is a single 031 section at one point? I was hoping that if only one end of the car was on the 031 at a time, it might be okay.
Would the engine in this set be ok on O31 curves and switches?
Found this on YouTube:
@JohnB posted:Found this on YouTube:
Wow, awesome, thank you. It's been a long time, but I remember a curvy bridge/trestle across the maine road from the station. Was that the Mill Creek Bridge? IIRC, Mechanic St was off to the left as you were going outbound on the bridge.
Tom Stoltz
in Maine
Hey Tom,
I thought I'd let you in on the bridge over the Aquatong Creek near Mechanic St. A silent film was done, supposedly, on the "Paulines Trestle" of the "Perils of Pauline"silent movie a long time ago. Yeah hard to believe! There was an actress named Pearl White that played Pauline in the silent movie. Of course, this is rumored and there seems to be not much proof of the claim. I think the name "Paulines Trestle" stuck as an attraction for the railroad, which back in the early years was the Reading. I worked there as a Fireman on #40 (great little consolidation), conductor on 2198 GP30, & 7087, which was scrapped just recently.
I worked on Paulines Trestle with the Foreman- Eric Hessler and three other guy's one day changing out ties that NEEDED replacing, especially after the NRA checked the trestle. It was a succeccful event given the fact that 25-30 ft. below was the creek with a lot of major sized rocks in the water. To this day I can't figure out how they got 614,Ross Rolands 4-8-4 C&O Greenbriar across that bridge to rebuild it years ago in the engine house. That trestle has a tight curve!
Steam Forever
John
@PRR Mark posted:Would the engine in this set be ok on O31 curves and switches?
Mark.
The catalog says the 036 is the minimum curve is 036. That being said it has 2 axle trucks so it may run on 031. Maybe someone who has a Lionel GP30 can answer for sure.
JohnB
@N&WY6b posted:Hey Tom,
I thought I'd let you in on the bridge over the Aquatong Creek near Mechanic St. A silent film was done, supposedly, on the "Paulines Trestle" of the "Perils of Pauline"silent movie a long time ago. Yeah hard to believe! There was an actress named Pearl White that played Pauline in the silent movie. Of course, this is rumored and there seems to be not much proof of the claim. I think the name "Paulines Trestle" stuck as an attraction for the railroad, which back in the early years was the Reading. I worked there as a Fireman on #40 (great little consolidation), conductor on 2198 GP30, & 7087, which was scrapped just recently.
I worked on Paulines Trestle with the Foreman- Eric Hessler and three other guy's one day changing out ties that NEEDED replacing, especially after the NRA checked the trestle. It was a succeccful event given the fact that 25-30 ft. below was the creek with a lot of major sized rocks in the water. To this day I can't figure out how they got 614,Ross Rolands 4-8-4 C&O Greenbriar across that bridge to rebuild it years ago in the engine house. That trestle has a tight curve!
Steam Forever
John
John, thank you for the info about ‘’Pauline”. According to Wikipedia, she was born Pearl Fay White and does indeed appear in the film serial, The Perils of Pauline, in 1914. Wikipedia also has a link to an hour and a half of the serial. The opening credits state she is the star. I intend to watch the whole thing hoping to get a glimpse of the trestle… too cool!
Really neat you had a chance to actually work on the trestle and to ‘play’ with #40. I do remember the sharp curve. I also thought about the questions a lot of folks here have about how sharp a radius the Lionel engine will negotiate. The video JohnB sent shows curves on the actual railroad I thought were incredibly tight. Really great for a train layout.
My sister did summer stock at The Buck’s County Playhouse several different years in the late ‘50s & early ‘60s. New Hope had not yet ‘come to life’ back then. My sister had an apartment on Mechanics St which is why I remember it.
Sorry to get homesick on you,
Tom Stoltz
In Maine
Another YouTube video of #40:
I ordered the set and hope that many others do as well so Lionel has enough BTO orders to make the set!
These New Hope videos keep popping up on my YouTube this one is from the 1980s. There are 4 scenes in the video with about 20 seconds of a black screen between each scene. Pay attention to the second scene where a young crewman exits the cab when the train stops........what the heck is he doing????? I have my guess but let me know what you think.
Hey John B,
Thanks for that video! I know both guy's in the cab of 40. The engineer is Frank Vopasek, who I fired for if our schedules met on the scheduled day. Frank & I keep in touch still since I'm in an "O" gauge Moduler group, The Raritan Valley Hi-Railers, with several other guy's. We started doing a Christmas show in Little Ferry N.J. and Frank was Santa Clause. Of course it was pre Covid and the town Mayor wants us to come back when things get better. Frank is a great engineer of over 30 yrs. time. The other guy is Mike Muldowney, who is a great Fireman. Mike is a lot younger than myself and taught me the trade along with other guy's.
Really miss those days!
@JohnB posted:Another YouTube video of #40:
Groovy... that is the train Lionel should have modeled.
Tom Stoltz
in Maine
Agreed Tom, I may have to kit bash a consolidation to get one sooner! Will need it to go with the set that I ordered!
Steam Forever
John
@JohnB posted:These New Hope videos keep popping up on my YouTube this one is from the 1980s. There are 4 scenes in the video with about 20 seconds of a black screen between each scene. Pay attention to the second scene where a young crewman exits the cab when the train stops........what the heck is he doing????? I have my guess but let me know what you think.
My guess would be bees, though it is hard to imagine a nest where he seems to get involved...
Tom Stoltz
in Maine
@Tom Stoltz posted:Groovy... that is the train Lionel should have modeled.
Tom Stoltz
in Maine
Tom,
They did not offer Consolidations in this catalog, they did offer GP30s so it was a natural choice to do the New Hope set using a diesel. I do think if this set sells well the next time they run Consolidations (the generic ones not PRR) a New Hope #40 will be one of them. They can even do the passenger cars in a 4 car set or 2 2car sets for separate sale.
JohnB
It would be great to see a model of #40 someday. The recent "generic" consolidations used the same valve gear from Southern Pacific 2-8-0 which would be incorrect for #40. Hopefully if #40, or #60 in New Jersey, was ever offered it would have the correct valve gear for that locomotive.
@SGP posted:It would be great to see a model of #40 someday. The recent "generic" consolidations used the same valve gear from Southern Pacific 2-8-0 which would be incorrect for #40. Hopefully if #40, or #60 in New Jersey, was ever offered it would have the correct valve gear for that locomotive.
SGP,
We are talking 3 rail O gauge trains so I would be happy with what I could get. Yes the same valve gear would be great but I don’t think Lionel or any other manufacturer would go through all of that work to sell maybe 500 to 1000 engines. I think with the correct headlight placement the SP Consolidation would make for a quite reasonable #40:
http://catalogs.lionel.com/15c2/html5/
Not trying to start a debate or anything but here is another #40 video in the snow this time:
JohnB,
No worries. All modeling comes down to compromises. You make a good point, getting #40s front correct would be impressive enough. Lionel has made a PRR 2-8-0, maybe parts can be mixed and matched, I can hope. 3rd Rail made a 2-8-0 years ago that might be closer if anyone can find one at a good price.
Getting back to my original question about the upcoming SKU # 2122160, New Hope Ivyland set: The engine is a GP30, and the 4 long coaches have Kinematic couplers, with an 054 curve stated minimum:
My oval includes mostly 054 curves. However, there is one unique partial curve that has a single section of 031 curve, which is immediately preceded by 3 straight sections (one of which is the straight leg of an 022 switch), and immediately followed by 1 054 curve, 1 straight section, and 2 more 054 sections. (The train would never be sent through the 022 switch curved section).
When the front axle of the coach encounters the single 031 curve, the rear axle of that coach is still on a straight section. When two coupled coaches are on the 031, the other end of each coach would each be on a straight section.
Would the couplers rotate enough if only one part of the coach was on the 031? Some coach designs have an obstruction near one or both axles that could be problematic. Would the Kinematic couplers extend enough so that the two coupled cars wouldn't hit each other when together on the 031 curve?
Unfortunately, there's no room to change out the 031 curve for an 054.
Thanks guys.
@MerCrewser posted:Very nice. Are there any other past offerings besides the green railcar I already have?
There was an Atlas NH&I boxcar quite a few years ago as well as a NH&I tribute car from METCA.
With all the concerns about whether this set will run on certain size curves along with concerns over the accuracy of its coaches,, MY CONCERN is if the folks with the concerns I mentioned didn't preorder this set and so Lionel will cancel it because there weren't enough pre-orders. I did preorder mine from Charless Ro who had a Great preorder price for it. Keeping my fingers crossed it will be made and we will see it in time for Christmas 2021.
I have zero interest in ever buying the set. With that said, aesthetically, it is gorgeous!!! I would love to see Lionel model the B&O railroad first mile excursion train. Either use the prototypical chessie gp35 or maybe even make it a “fantasy” item with the newly restored EA, which is absolutely gorgeous!
my dream set
I actually mentioned how i would love to have this set on my youtube channel and if i did get it i would surely do a review for it
but sadly i can't afford or run this beauty on my tracks
they don't call me the "Penn Central of the west" for nothing
The New Hope is like the Shailene Woodley of railroads - just beautiful . i watch it on youtube all the time and would love to go in the winter and see them run in snow
maybe one day
FYI, if you just wanted the GP-30 and not the whole set, you can purchase the engine by itself from the New Hope RR gift shop. (Available Now it seems.)
Link: https://shop.newhoperailroad.c...esel-locomotive.html
Anyone know whether the set was canceled? The Lionel store no longer lists a ship date.
$749 is a bit much for the engine alone. And 1500$ for The set? Its new $999 from lionel
@tom21pa posted:$749 is a bit much for the engine alone. And 1500$ for The set? Its new $999 from lionel
No kidding, did you see $134.00 for the boxcars?
Anyone know whether the set was canceled? The Lionel store no longer lists a ship date.
My opinion is the set was shipped, as evidenced by separate shipments of the loco only and the second one of the set. The locos went out first, as evidenced by the one for sale at the NH&I gift shop. The set itself is likely in a container on the west coast, awaiting transport to dealers, in my case, Henning's. Eventually, I will get a phone call that it came in and I can pick it up. When? Who knows. The rule today: Patience is needed more than ever. Also, the government closed the Complaint Department due to lack of funding. Mark
@barrister.2u posted:Anyone know whether the set was canceled? The Lionel store no longer lists a ship date.
My opinion is the set was shipped, as evidenced by separate shipments of the loco only and the second one of the set. The locos went out first, as evidenced by the one for sale at the NH&I gift shop. The set itself is likely in a container on the west coast, awaiting transport to dealers, in my case, Henning's. Eventually, I will get a phone call that it came in and I can pick it up. When? Who knows. The rule today: Patience is needed more than ever. Also, the government closed the Complaint Department due to lack of funding. Mark
Thank you for your insights Mark. I think you may be right. When Lionel did have the ship date listed, it was 11/10/2021. So, it's looking good for our sets.
I just didn't want to miss out on the GP-30 at the gift shop if someone could confirm a cancellation. Also, I don't mind waiting.
I'm REALLY hoping and praying the shade of red on this set looks decent...
@Mikado 4501 posted:I'm REALLY hoping and praying the shade of red on this set looks decent...
https://shop.newhoperailroad.c...esel-locomotive.html
Based on the photos from the RR's Website, I'd say they look ok. I do not believe these are mock-ups, the images seem like the real deal.
BTW, I received an email from Lionel saying that the set is "available". I am patient and don't mind waiting, but I think we will start seeing them soon.
@TheRambles posted:Based on the photos from the RR's Website, I'd say they look ok. I do not believe these are mock-ups, the images seem like the real deal.
If this is the real deal, I think the color is pretty close. Could be a tad darker, but it could also be how dull a lot of photos of the locomotive online look. I’m very happy it’s not a bright neon pink color.
@TheRambles posted:No kidding, did you see $134.00 for the boxcars?
Blimey, certainly not for me at that price!! And it's not even one of those nice scale freight sounds models...
I was hoping to receive my set in time for my birthday on December 16th so it looks that may (possibly could) happen!
The colors from the photos posted above look pretty good to me--can't wait to start seeing some actual set pics!
@tom21pa posted:$749 is a bit much for the engine alone. And 1500$ for The set? Its new $999 from lionel
When I was a kid taking a class trip to the Statue of Liberty I remember my mother saying “don’t buy anything from the gift store, they will rip you off. Buy from the street guys a lot cheaper”. Need I say more.
I guess Lionel sold engines separately to the gift shop as a favor.
JohnB
CC just charged today from Charles Ro! No shipping information yet, but it looks like it WILL be a Happy Birthday for me!
My Local Hobby Shop said they were notified the set may be in as early as next week.
anyone got this set yet?
i notice it got removed from trainworld which is very weird if it wasn't cancelled
Received shipping notice from Charlie Ro that my NH set should arrive 12/10! And 6 days before my birthday! Stay tuned for pictures and a video.
Henning's Trains should have a whole bunch of them right now. When I was in this afternoon, Harry was picking up I believe 25 sets. Some are pre-orders, but he ordered extras as it's a local attraction and we anticipate a lot of interest.
Hey John,
I'm not local but lots of interest here, expecting a call any day for a delivery. Living in N. Carolina now. But, was a fireman at the NH&I R.R. for a time. # 40 was my 2nd love as a fireman. I was hoping that they would do 40, but..... Spent time in 2198 & 7087. Miss all of that. Time has a way of slowing us down! I'm hoping to find a model of a consolidation similiar to 40 and dress it up before Lionel decides to make one, if they do. Merry Christmas to you and to all here on the forum. Need some "O" gaugers in the Charlotte area. Lets step up!!!
STEEEEEEEEEEEEAM FOREVER
John
@N&WY6b posted:Hey John,
I'm not local but lots of interest here, expecting a call any day for a delivery. Living in N. Carolina now. But, was a fireman at the NH&I R.R. for a time. # 40 was my 2nd love as a fireman. I was hoping that they would do 40, but..... Spent time in 2198 & 7087. Miss all of that. Time has a way of slowing us down! I'm hoping to find a model of a consolidation similiar to 40 and dress it up before Lionel decides to make one, if they do. Merry Christmas to you and to all here on the forum. Need some "O" gaugers in the Charlotte area. Lets step up!!!
STEEEEEEEEEEEEAM FOREVER
John
John, Steve Nelson at Mr Muffins is doing a special run of unlettered Legacy consolidations. The plan is to offer them for customization by Harry. I know nothing about #40 or if Steve’s consolidation would make a good starting block, but you might check it out.
Now, this might be crazy, but I have a rail king 2-8-0 which I plan on converting to the 40. I plan on cutting the boiler up and replacing with parts I am 3d printing.
Wow! Thank you for that tip Rider! You may have filled a gap. There is a friend, Frank Vopasek, who was engineer of 40 for a lot of years. Once in a while, our schedules were the same day, and I, or even others, worked with him as fireman. Frank has retired from that engineers chair not long ago. He and I bought the NH&I sets the same day for obvious reasons and we're both anxious to get our sets. He is the engineer operating 40, with the mustache, in the video at the beginning of this thread.
Thank You for sharing your info with me, will contact Steve tomorrow. I'm sure Frank will be excited to hear about this also!
Steam Forever
John
@N&WY6b posted:Wow! Thank you for that tip Rider! You may have filled a gap. There is a friend, Frank Vopasek, who was engineer of 40 for a lot of years. Once in a while, our schedules were the same day, and I, or even others, worked with him as fireman. Frank has retired from that engineers chair not long ago. He and I bought the NH&I sets the same day for obvious reasons and we're both anxious to get our sets. He is the engineer operating 40, with the mustache, in the video at the beginning of this thread.
Thank You for sharing your info with me, will contact Steve tomorrow. I'm sure Frank will be excited to hear about this also!
Steam Forever
John
Good stuff, John. For what it’s worth, I have the NKP Legacy consolidation from the previous run. It’s one of my favorite locomotives. Great runner and looks terrific on all sizes of curves. And a nice price point. Post pictures if it works out.
@TheRambles posted:Ok, looks like we have our first look at the coaches. what do ya think? This is an extra add-on available through the RR.
Link Cost: $224.99
Well if you got the set, you might as well complete it and enjoy it!
The add on cars usually are the first to sell out before the set.
I would consider an add-on baggage car or combo car, but not another coach. Attached is a photo of CNJ operations at Jim Thorpe in 1967, which inspires me. Mark
Short video of the new set: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XZJvTI_WJfA
@Rider Sandman posted:Short video of the new set: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XZJvTI_WJfA
Thank you for sharing, The set seems to have turned out nice. To me the lettering on the coaches looks a little big, but that's NBD. I am happy Lionel did the NHRR at all.
@barrister.2u that would be a neat consist. Cool picture!
@prrhorseshoecurve The $225 price tag is the only thing holding me back,
I think the set looks great--thanks to Mr. Muffin for posting the video.
@barrister.2u posted:I would consider an add-on baggage car or combo car, but not another coach. Attached is a photo of CNJ operations at Jim Thorpe in 1967, which inspires me. Mark
NH&I doesn't have a combine, and the baggage car they currently on passenger trains is a lightweight car and doesn't match the rest of the former Reading heavyweight roster. Maybe we can get similar cars with clerestory roofs next.
It's been ten years since I shoveled my last coal shovel full of coal at NH&IR.R. and when I left, the open coach had been completed for awhile (can't remember the # but worked on it with others to fabricate,clean, paint,etc.) It came out pretty nice. 1430 was the parlor car, it was nicely done. It had a bar, snacks, with nice tables to sit at, paddle fans and was fitted with an air conditioner. The best part of working the trains was the pretty ladies on each trip. The best events were the weddings! Great looking wedding parties and occasionally the Brides Father was a heavy tipper. I believe there was a baggage coach there (not sure of it now) and was used for the Santa Clause runs. There were so many riders (mostly children), that there were 2 Santa's stashed in baggage. One worked the north end of the train and the other worked the south end. The train consisted of 7 to 9 cars (including baggage), depending on ridership of the day. 40 was facing south (towards Lahaska) and 2198 faced north on the hind end towards New Hope). Didn't have to do the run around in Lahaska or New Hope. There was a caboose frame outside the engine house ten years ago (just frame & trucks) and it may be active now, not sure. Normally 40 only pulls 3 to 4 coaches during the autumn, spring, & summer. Great little R.R. to bring the kids to for the ride! By the way, the color looks pretty good to the full size coaches. I just found out what the # of the baggage car is 1096 & open car is # 1525 shortly after the post.
Steam Forever
John
Henning's has the set on display in Lansdale, PA. It is a really good looking set. I am just bummed I didn't pre-order it with Henning's, or I'd have it hahah.
(video is poor quality because of the reflection sry)
Now that the sets are out, what does everyone think? I got mine.
A couple of early impressions -
I anyone going for the extra car from the NH&I gift shop? That seems to carry a huge premium. Will any be in Lionels next catalog?
What else?
Glenn
@Gpritch posted:Now that the sets are out, what does everyone think? I got mine.
I anyone going for the extra car from the NH&I gift shop? That seems to carry a huge premium. Will any be in Lionels next catalog?
What else?
Glenn
I am going to pick mine up this coming week. As for the coach at the gift shop. It Is really hard to pull the trigger at $225.
My plan is to keep an eye on the stock amount and wait for a sale. If the stock starts getting low, I will buy one at full price to complete the set.
@TheRambles posted:Henning's has the set on display in Lansdale, PA. It is a really good looking set. I am just bummed I didn't pre-order it with Henning's, or I'd have it hahah.
I'm sure that Harry ordered extra sets, so did you actually ask?
@gunrunnerjohn posted:I'm sure that Harry ordered extra sets, so did you actually ask?
Hey John, hope you’re well. I should have been clearer. I pre-ordered this set with Nicholas Smith’s, but they got it later than Hennings.
Here's a short video of this nice set that I received yesterday:
What are the best options for adding people to these cars? How difficult is it to do?
One additional comment - it seems like three cars have the green interior (1220, 1424 & 1505) while the 1430 has a tan interior. Is that the same for everyone?
What color is the additional car (1127) from the NH&I gift shop? The photos make it look green, but they are dark.
Does anyone know if Lionel #6-83653 scale passenger car figures fit in these New Hope & Ivyland cars?
They are advertised for use in Lionel 21" passenger cars. These cars are 19" so they may be a smaller scale. The seats look very small.
Thanks in advance for any help!
Stan
I obviously haven't tried them as I don't have that set, but I think they have a good chance of fitting. The Lionel figures are fairly small, and the seats in the 21" passenger cars are small as well.
John:
Thanks! That sounds promising. I may wait for someone else to get brave before me and open one of the cars up!
Stan
@Gpritch posted:One additional comment - it seems like three cars have the green interior (1220, 1424 & 1505) while the 1430 has a tan interior. Is that the same for everyone?
What color is the additional car (1127) from the NH&I gift shop? The photos make it look green, but they are dark.
The tan interior is an interesting one. In this video review they all seem to be green. I pick up my set tomorrow and will let you know if it’s different.
@TheRambles posted:The tan interior is an interesting one. In this video review they all seem to be green. I pick up my set tomorrow and will let you know if it’s different.
My interior is green, my wife says I am color blind but it definitely looks green. I tried getting the shell off but had no luck. I wanted to add passengers but that project is for another day. Can someone take a picture and indicated what screws need to be removed? A video would be great but I don’t want to look too un-handy.
Thanks
JohnB
SeptaTony,
I did not open all the cars yet only 1220. Would not bother me if one car was a different interior. I don’t thing any of Steamtowns passenger cars interior matched Ha!
JohnB
To all the curiosity seekers of the 1430 Parlor car and it's tan color: The cars interior was a beauty inside and if memory serves me right, I believe the tan color may have been to simulate the color of the walls within the coach (the walls were an oak color, I believe). Very warm looking inside with chairs & tables to sit in & have your favorite cocktail(s). Waitresses served the drinks & snacks & dinners for the later evening train. I remember the name Grapevine Express for the wine drinkers on board, usually on a Saturday evening. My wife and I rode the train on occasion and one of the perks was riding free since I worked there part time. I've been out of there for ten years so things change over time. There was an Irishman working the bar and he was always fun to be around, great jokes too! By the way, UPS should be bringing my set tomorrow (Wednesday) from Dixie Union Station - Thanks Rocky, the set will bring some fond memories!!! One more thing, if anyone has a consolidation 3rail that they want to sell, I'd like you to get in touch by my email in profile section, please. Want one as close to NH&I's 2-8-0 as possible for a customizing job.
Steam Forever
John
I just finished putting passengers in my cars. The 3 coach cars had green interiors and the Parlor Car had a burgundy interior. I emailed Dave Olson this morning asking how to disassemble the car he said only the four body screws had to be taken out to get the cars apart. I had proceeded the job before receiving his reply so I removed the steps as well which made it a lot easier getting to the 4 body screws.
Attached is the diagram he emailed me.
JohnB
Thanks John--can you let us know what brand of figures you used and whether or not you had any fit issues?
@Tuscan Jim posted:Thanks John--can you let us know what brand of figures you used and whether or not you had any fit issues?
Jim,
I used two 24 piece Lionel seated figures, one 12 piece MTH figures (a 8 seated 4 standing) and two 6 piece Bachman seated figures. The Lionel and MTH figures fitted perfectly. The Bachman figures seemed slightly larger than the Lionel and MTH figures so I restricted them to the restrooms and the restroom waiting seats instead of mixing them with the Lionel and MTH figures. Plus I had to cut off their legs. Sorry to say I didn’t take any pictures but I liked the results of how they turned out.
The only negative I could think of was the set did not include any instructions for the passenger cars only the GP30 engine. I did call Lionel Customer Service and a very nice young girl emailed me a operating manual but it was for the 21” cars which used a similar type of body screws. I also emailed Dave Olson who was very helpful with a diagram of the car. I would recommend that Lionel puts that diagram into their sets that has passenger cars without figures.
JohnB
John, that was a more detailed an answer than anticipated, so thank you! I'm sure many purchasers of the set will appreciate that.
Jim
I was working outside when the UPS driver brought me my set. 😁
Just came inside. Need to relax before I get excited. Saturday is our last club open house of the year. Hope to christen it then.
Christened the train today at the club open house. Looks and sounds are great. Lighting is bright and has an on/off switch. Lights stay on a short time even when the power is terminated.
Interior color, green, is on three coaches. One coach, tan/brown color, is a parlor car.
These sets turned out great. Lionel should announce an uncatalogued version of the NH&I Consolidation if there is still time to make it in the current run from 2021v2.
I've scanned this entire "Topic" looking for the suggestion that these cars be produced in CNJ colors. Other than Reading and the roads to which they were distributed, the CNJ was the only company that owned and operated them. It seems funny that a tourist line, albeit a RDG spinoff, should trump The Big Little Railroad.
I just became aware that these "Reading" cars are the actual arched roof type and are quite accurately scaled. I missed the whole thing thanks to Lionel's photos, as reproduced in their online catalogs; all black roofs look the same to these old eyes unless I blow them waaay up. They look to be wonderful cars and I'm now scouring the web for them with little success. Buying the entire fleet with tax time looming is not an option.
If I've missed the CNJ suggestion by others, I apologize in advance for my negligence.
@Rapid Transit Holmes posted:They look to be wonderful cars and I'm now scouring the web for them with little success. Buying the entire fleet with tax time looming is not an option.
Henning's Trains still has at least one NH & Ivyland set...
@gunrunnerjohn posted:Henning's Trains still has at least one NH & Ivyland set...
John,
Thank you! You're on top of things, as always. However, after my latest experience with a Legacy GP30, now being studied by the nice folks at Lionel, I'm loathe to go for that set. I spent many hours at the NH&I and knew the McHugh Bros. quite well. They were quite helpful to us. However, that is a competitor, no matter how remote, to my Mighty MIDH.
I may have found a source for some RDG cars which would satisfy my yen, for the moment. My hope (New Hope) is for a CNJ set with, dare I say it, a control cab car...
I can 'brake up' a set if you just want the cars. Harry 
Harry,
I'd like to accept your kind offer and will send an email so we can discuss the particulars.
Thanks!
Sam
P.S. And thanks to Gunrunnerjohn!
FYI the add-on coach for the ivyland set is about $25 off on sale right now.
it’s still wildly expensive at $200.00, but if you want the complete set, I doubt you’ll see it cheaper. There are 66 left.
Following JohnB’s approach above, I ordered 2 sets of Lionel’s seated passengers. They arrived yesterday and I proceeded to try to install them. I removed the 4 body screws as shown on Dave Olson’s diagram that JohnB shows but nothing budges and I don’t want to break these beautiful (and delicate looking) passenger cars.
Any suggestions? I have 48 people waiting to be seated LOL!
Last call for help opening these cars so the passengers can be seated!
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