I'd also like to know. Whistle steam seems to be a given but the blurb on the separate sale loco mentions a swinging bell. Will it have JUST the WHISTLE or BOTH the BELL and WHISTLE special effects?

SJC posted:

I'd also like to know. Whistle steam seems to be a given but the blurb on the separate sale loco mentions a swinging bell. Will it have JUST the WHISTLE or BOTH the BELL and WHISTLE special effects?

I'll say though, at $750 MSRP It's a steal already but if the swinging bell is in fact in there, that'll be the icing on the cake. 

Ask tomorrow on the Dave and Ryan show. 

Good idea. 

Hi Matt this is Rich. I just bought a Erie Window bay crew talking Caboose. It was from 1998 sounds pretty good I painted the roof black, I think it looks a lot better! I bet that Lionel PRR H10 Legacy is a Beast! I would like to get another Vision line Hudson but you can' t find them on ebay. I will talk to you later buddy Rich.

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hudsonbuck posted:

Hi Matt this is Rich. I just bought a Erie Window bay crew talking Caboose. It was from 1998 sounds pretty good I painted the roof black, I think it looks a lot better! I bet that Lionel PRR H10 Legacy is a Beast! I would like to get another Vision line Hudson but you can' t find them on ebay. I will talk to you later buddy Rich.

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Hey Rich! That Erie caboose is sweet! I almost purchased one. The H10 is sweet for sure! I'll talk to you later bud. 

I'm a little surprised not one of the new H10's is numbered 7688 after the one at the Pennsylvania RR Museum. I personally prefer the West tender than the 'short-stack' one, but Harry Heike's weathered model sounds really nice.

I purchased at 1/2 that price the Tmcc version. If there is no swinging Bell and steam whistle, it's a deal breaker. I rather have grj add the Superchuffa 2 and the ylb to the Tmcc version than buy new. 

Why are the Lionvision cars for the most part painted in dreary colors? Other than the ps1 boxcars and simulated wood reefers, all other freight cars are either patch jobs or just bland battleship grey ( which is realistic)

The catalog picture of the H10 looks like an Atlantic with a 2-8-0 wheel arrangement. Am not sure of the modern Lionel H10 model's history - I kind of recall it first debuted in the late 90s early 2000's and was devoid of details. The catalog picture doesn't look right.

Paul Kallus posted:

The catalog picture of the H10 looks like an Atlantic with a 2-8-0 wheel arrangement. Am not sure of the modern Lionel H10 model's history - I kind of recall it first debuted in the late 90s early 2000's and was devoid of details. The catalog picture doesn't look right.

That is normal... The smaller PRR steam had similar fireboxes.

I'm a bit curious, I seem to remember some discussion a while back suggesting that some earlier iterations of Lionel's H8 or 9 or 10 were very incorrect.  I don't remember the details since I was not in the buying mood at that time.  I'd like to know if this is a new tool, is it fairly correct or is it a rehash of one of those past tools and if so what were the deviations from correctness of those.  With that I should be able to make a reasonable decision for myself.

If the catalog photo is to be believed, the MTH version of the H10 appears to have more heft / bulk to it ?

Not to be a party-pooper, but I’ve never seen a Pennsylvania engine without a pneumatic static bell...

Jon  

Just because Lionel calls that thing an H10 doesn't make it a model of one.  Just sayin'.

Bob posted:

Just because Lionel calls that thing an H10 doesn't make it a model of one.  Just sayin'.

Agree, going to need more info before any preorder is done.

The price is considerably lower than MTH and with whistle steam & swinging bell, they could be cutting corners ?

Bob, did the H8 to H10 share the same boiler as the E6 IRL? I can’t remember and I am far from my Staufer’s collection right now. Lionel’s H9 from a while back shared the Lionel (diecast Korea Brass) E6 boiler which was not the most detailed but I thought it was sort of close dimensionally for what it was.

Norm Charbonneau posted:

Bob, did the H8 to H10 share the same boiler as the E6 IRL? I can’t remember and I am far from my Staufer’s collection right now. Lionel’s H9 from a while back shared the Lionel (diecast Korea Brass) E6 boiler which was not the most detailed but I thought it was sort of close dimensionally for what it was.

Yes, the boilers were the same but the appliances (power reverse, air pumps, air tanks, etc.) were located differently.  This new "H10" is absolutely not an H10 at all, at least as pictured in the catalog.  The spotting differences among the H8, 9, and 10 classes were the cylinders and steam delivery pipes.  On the H8, steam delivery was internal through the cylinder saddle.  There were no sloping steam pipes from the side of the smokebox to the cylinders.  H9 and H10 had external pipes like the Lionel model BUT the H9 had snifters where the pipes met the cylinders (those round ribbed valves) like the Lionel model while the H10 did not have them.  The steam pipes fit smoothly into the tops of the cylinders.

So, the Lionel "H10" is really an H9.  I don't know as I've seen an H9 or H10 with a slatted passenger pilot.  Never say never, but footboards were by far more common.  The mechanism looks like the same recycled one from the U.P Harriman Consolidation that they previously used on their H9.  The drivers are a scale 6" too small in diameter (a real 1/8" which is pretty noticeable) and the driver spacing is also different from what the H8/9/10 had.

MTH's H10s is the best scale model in 3-rail (although their E6s is horribly stretched) with Weaver in second place (a good model but with a too fat smokestack to fit the Seuthe smoke generator).

The H8, H9, and H10 had the same boilers as far as I know.   The cylinders increased in diameter 1 inch on each class.    Also the H8 had inside steam pipes (the pipes from the boiler to the cyclinders).    They were inside the saddle.    Some H8s were rebuilt into H9s and some H9s were rebuilt into H10s.  

I think the boilers on the G5 and E6 were the same dimensionally.    There may have been internal differences such as number of tubes etc.