In the catalog Lionel states this model will have the swinging bell effect. I just listened to the @Notch 6 podcast and @Conrail6358 didn't mention anything about that feature. It will be included correct? @Dave Olson
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I'd also like to know. Whistle steam seems to be a given but the blurb on the separate sale loco mentions a swinging bell. Will it have JUST the WHISTLE or BOTH the BELL and WHISTLE special effects?
SJC posted:I'd also like to know. Whistle steam seems to be a given but the blurb on the separate sale loco mentions a swinging bell. Will it have JUST the WHISTLE or BOTH the BELL and WHISTLE special effects?
I'll say though, at $750 MSRP It's a steal already but if the swinging bell is in fact in there, that'll be the icing on the cake.
Ask tomorrow on the Dave and Ryan show.
Good idea.
Hi Matt this is Rich. I just bought a Erie Window bay crew talking Caboose. It was from 1998 sounds pretty good I painted the roof black, I think it looks a lot better! I bet that Lionel PRR H10 Legacy is a Beast! I would like to get another Vision line Hudson but you can' t find them on ebay. I will talk to you later buddy Rich.
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hudsonbuck posted:Hi Matt this is Rich. I just bought a Erie Window bay crew talking Caboose. It was from 1998 sounds pretty good I painted the roof black, I think it looks a lot better! I bet that Lionel PRR H10 Legacy is a Beast! I would like to get another Vision line Hudson but you can' t find them on ebay. I will talk to you later buddy Rich.
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Hey Rich! That Erie caboose is sweet! I almost purchased one. The H10 is sweet for sure! I'll talk to you later bud.
I'm a little surprised not one of the new H10's is numbered 7688 after the one at the Pennsylvania RR Museum. I personally prefer the West tender than the 'short-stack' one, but Harry Heike's weathered model sounds really nice.
I purchased at 1/2 that price the Tmcc version. If there is no swinging Bell and steam whistle, it's a deal breaker. I rather have grj add the Superchuffa 2 and the ylb to the Tmcc version than buy new.
Why are the Lionvision cars for the most part painted in dreary colors? Other than the ps1 boxcars and simulated wood reefers, all other freight cars are either patch jobs or just bland battleship grey ( which is realistic)
The catalog picture of the H10 looks like an Atlantic with a 2-8-0 wheel arrangement. Am not sure of the modern Lionel H10 model's history - I kind of recall it first debuted in the late 90s early 2000's and was devoid of details. The catalog picture doesn't look right.
Paul Kallus posted:The catalog picture of the H10 looks like an Atlantic with a 2-8-0 wheel arrangement. Am not sure of the modern Lionel H10 model's history - I kind of recall it first debuted in the late 90s early 2000's and was devoid of details. The catalog picture doesn't look right.
That is normal... The smaller PRR steam had similar fireboxes.
I'm a bit curious, I seem to remember some discussion a while back suggesting that some earlier iterations of Lionel's H8 or 9 or 10 were very incorrect. I don't remember the details since I was not in the buying mood at that time. I'd like to know if this is a new tool, is it fairly correct or is it a rehash of one of those past tools and if so what were the deviations from correctness of those. With that I should be able to make a reasonable decision for myself.
If the catalog photo is to be believed, the MTH version of the H10 appears to have more heft / bulk to it ?
Not to be a party-pooper, but I’ve never seen a Pennsylvania engine without a pneumatic static bell...
Jon 
Just because Lionel calls that thing an H10 doesn't make it a model of one. Just sayin'.
Bob posted:Just because Lionel calls that thing an H10 doesn't make it a model of one. Just sayin'.
Agree, going to need more info before any preorder is done.
The price is considerably lower than MTH and with whistle steam & swinging bell, they could be cutting corners ?
Bob, did the H8 to H10 share the same boiler as the E6 IRL? I can’t remember and I am far from my Staufer’s collection right now. Lionel’s H9 from a while back shared the Lionel (diecast Korea Brass) E6 boiler which was not the most detailed but I thought it was sort of close dimensionally for what it was.
Norm Charbonneau posted:Bob, did the H8 to H10 share the same boiler as the E6 IRL? I can’t remember and I am far from my Staufer’s collection right now. Lionel’s H9 from a while back shared the Lionel (diecast Korea Brass) E6 boiler which was not the most detailed but I thought it was sort of close dimensionally for what it was.
Yes, the boilers were the same but the appliances (power reverse, air pumps, air tanks, etc.) were located differently. This new "H10" is absolutely not an H10 at all, at least as pictured in the catalog. The spotting differences among the H8, 9, and 10 classes were the cylinders and steam delivery pipes. On the H8, steam delivery was internal through the cylinder saddle. There were no sloping steam pipes from the side of the smokebox to the cylinders. H9 and H10 had external pipes like the Lionel model BUT the H9 had snifters where the pipes met the cylinders (those round ribbed valves) like the Lionel model while the H10 did not have them. The steam pipes fit smoothly into the tops of the cylinders.
So, the Lionel "H10" is really an H9. I don't know as I've seen an H9 or H10 with a slatted passenger pilot. Never say never, but footboards were by far more common. The mechanism looks like the same recycled one from the U.P Harriman Consolidation that they previously used on their H9. The drivers are a scale 6" too small in diameter (a real 1/8" which is pretty noticeable) and the driver spacing is also different from what the H8/9/10 had.
MTH's H10s is the best scale model in 3-rail (although their E6s is horribly stretched) with Weaver in second place (a good model but with a too fat smokestack to fit the Seuthe smoke generator).
The H8, H9, and H10 had the same boilers as far as I know. The cylinders increased in diameter 1 inch on each class. Also the H8 had inside steam pipes (the pipes from the boiler to the cyclinders). They were inside the saddle. Some H8s were rebuilt into H9s and some H9s were rebuilt into H10s.
I think the boilers on the G5 and E6 were the same dimensionally. There may have been internal differences such as number of tubes etc.
I really will have to see that "H10" Something tells me it's the H9 made previous and now mislabeled from those "guys who know trains" yet seem to have a hard time "dotting their i's and crossing their t's"
I emailed Dave Olson and he told me that he is trying to get the swinging bell in the engine but needs to first make sure that the mechanism can fit in the design. He told me when he has an official answer he is going to make an announcement on the forum.
I have wanted an H10 for a long time. After reading these posts I will pass.
Norm
TMCC H-9 ( for reference):
The two PRR H10 models , #1773 in the set, and #1288, separate sale are H9’s:
#1773 images
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/prr1773s.jpg taken in 1947
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/prr1773sa.jpg taken in 1948
#1288 images
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/prr1288s.jpg taken in 1937
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/prr1288sa.jpg taken in 1938
Both road numbers depict footboard pilots which was a later modification. These engines underwent may variations so it might be difficult to to determine the in-service year represented by the model but the applied road numbers and steam chest configuration are those of the H9 class. More images of the various H class engines at http://www.northeast.railfan.net/prr_steam4.html
Is there anything wrong with just liking it because you do?
For me, that is all that matters.
I plan to buy the Legacy set.
Donald
Weaver brass offering several years ago. This one has been upgrade to TMCC.
First on the turntable. Mouse over image and click on the triangle, Photobucket video.
Okay, so I'm buying an H9 to augment my 3rd Rail H6 and Weaver H10. Since my layout era is late 40s, is there any after market parts that would allow me to add the footboard pilots? Plus, it sure would be nice if the front coupler was an operating type so it can be used for switching operations.
Originally posted by Cappilot:
Since my layout era is late 40s, is there any after market parts that would allow me to add the footboard pilots?
See Precision Scale Co O scale steam Locomotive parts catalog Pgs #197-#202
Front, Weaver H10
H9 H10 they got me on swinging bell!!!
On the Dave & Ryan show they said they will have a final answer on the Bell before the preorder period ends. Its not guaranteed. I would love to have a 3rd engine (have a Vision Line Hudson and Vision Line CC2) with the swinging bell. Everyone loves it when they see it.
I think they pulled it from the online catalog until they have a final answer, I don't see it anymore.
I think it should be a standard feature like whistle steam!
This is my Weaver H10 that Bob suggested I get some years ago. Like he said, it is much closer to the prototype than Lionel's mix and match tooling:
Someday I will fix the red number plate.
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Norm,
Very nice! Your models are always superb.
This is a great thread. Long ago I bought a used Lionel H9 and had ERR installed. I have read all these posts. For my benefit, I would like to know if the Lionel model is dimensionally a true scale model of the H8/9/10 understanding that certain appliances and pilots are questionable. The larger tender makes a powerful impression.
As a side note: I have an 1990's Railking Consolidation that has a large tender. The engine has been dead a long time, but it was my first O engine in a set I bought way back when I entered the O train hobby, so it brings back nice memories.
From another thread about this engine, "A new Lionel steam locomotive", I read Bob's comment about the driver spacing.
Side note: I made mods to get 4 chuffs for my old version. So I am OK with it. This thread is yet more evidence that folks interested in scale fidelity, as I am, can only hope "they" get it right. If not, then what can you do? To state the obvious.
1. Point out the mistakes. 2. Accept the product as a representation. 3. Decline to purchase. 4. Look for a better representation.
I value this forum because of the insight and expertice I can find.
Partial credit for the Weaver brass 3 rail H10's good looks is that it shares genes with the 2 rail Key H10 done a few years earlier. Both were built in Korea by Samhongsa. If you stand the Key 2 rail and Weaver H10's side by side you'd find they share a considerable amount of sheet brass and lost wax castings. The most noticeable difference being the longer smokebox and extended pilot beam on the 3 rail model. It's interesting to note that Key imported scale 2 rail models of PRR H9s and H8sb PRR 2-8-0's in the same time frame they brought in the H10s.
As previously noted the PRR family of 20th century "standard" steamers (A5, B6, C1, CC2, E6, G5, H6, H8, H9, H10, I1, J1, K4, L1, M1, N1, Q2, T1) were equipped with bells rung in a stationary position by an internal air driven clapper. Should the air clapper fail, there was provision to temporarily swing the bell using a clip on rope. I have the PRR bell from L1s 8197 and can testify as to how hard it is to swing it using a rope.
Great looking railroad Norm. It reminds me that I have got to get out the airbrush and do some weathering. For 3RS Kadee users, note that it is possible to mount a cut off shank Kadee coupler in the Weaver/Key lost wax pilot casting - great for local freight switching.
I personally don’t care about 100% prototypical accuracy on my layout so a swinging bell would be more of a plus for me even if it is out of place. However I realize there are definitely some people on this forum that would refuse to buy this item if it had a swinging bell because it is inaccurate. To each their own I guess. I was already eyeing up this engine before I even knew about the potential swinging bell. That would just be the icing on the cake.
Mikado 4501 posted:I personally prefer the West tender than the 'short-stack' one, ...
So do I. However, I did find a picture of H9s Cab #1744, a rebuilt H8, with the "short-stack" tender so I'm good with it. Still looking at ways to add the foot board pilot. It would be interesting to hear from someone who added a foot board pilot to their TMCC model.
NSDTrains posted:I personally don’t care about 100% prototypical accuracy on my layout so a swinging bell would be more of a plus for me even if it is out of place. However I realize there are definitely some people on this forum that would refuse to buy this item if it had a swinging bell because it is inaccurate. To each their own I guess. I was already eyeing up this engine before I even knew about the potential swinging bell.
I'm confused.
The real engine did not have a swinging bell?
Purchasers of the scale model want it to be incorrectly produced with one? 
BobbyD posted:NSDTrains posted:I personally don’t care about 100% prototypical accuracy on my layout so a swinging bell would be more of a plus for me even if it is out of place. However I realize there are definitely some people on this forum that would refuse to buy this item if it had a swinging bell because it is inaccurate. To each their own I guess. I was already eyeing up this engine before I even knew about the potential swinging bell.
I'm confused.
The real engine did not have a swinging bell?
Purchasers of the scale model want it to be incorrectly produced with one?
As someone committed to it, I'd love to have both the bell and smoking whistle.
BobbyD posted:NSDTrains posted:I personally don’t care about 100% prototypical accuracy on my layout so a swinging bell would be more of a plus for me even if it is out of place. However I realize there are definitely some people on this forum that would refuse to buy this item if it had a swinging bell because it is inaccurate. To each their own I guess. I was already eyeing up this engine before I even knew about the potential swinging bell.
I'm confused.
The real engine did not have a swinging bell?
Purchasers of the scale model want it to be incorrectly produced with one?
As previously noted the PRR family of 20th century "standard" steamers (A5, B6, C1, CC2, E6, G5, H6, H8, H9, H10, I1, J1, K4, L1, M1, N1, Q2, T1) were equipped with bells rung in a stationary position by an internal air driven clapper. Should the air clapper fail, there was provision to temporarily swing the bell using a clip on rope. I have the PRR bell from L1s 8197 and can testify as to how hard it is to swing it using a rope.
I can appreciate many modelers want fidelity to the prototype. I'm not that concerned, as long as I think it looks good. (of course it needs to run good and sound good too) 
The Western Allegheny version caught my eye because I live within 10 miles of the old Western Allegheny, and have B&LE models of the F7 A-B set that ran on the same tracks into the '90s. I am seriously making an order, though this would be the most expensive engine I have bought. I'm one of the guys who takes the older models off folks hands when they upgrade to the latest and greatest. 
I really don't care if it has a swinging bell or not, and I don't run smoke indoors because it messes with my wife's asthma. All that said, I will be interested to see what Dave and Company come up with on the bell.
Thank you everyone for the great information!!!
Keystoned Ed posted:
As previously noted the PRR family of 20th century "standard" steamers (A5, B6, C1, CC2, E6, G5, H6, H8, H9, H10, I1, J1, K4, L1, M1, N1, Q2, T1) were equipped with bells rung in a stationary position by an internal air driven clapper. Should the air clapper fail, there was provision to temporarily swing the bell using a clip on rope. I have the PRR bell from L1s 8197 and can testify as to how hard it is to swing it using a rope.
Lionel cataloged two different tenders. One with a backup light and high sloped coal sides and the other with marker lights.. Anyone know if the tender with marker lights pictured with the #1288 H10 is accurate?
Joe
CAPPilot posted:Mikado 4501 posted:I personally prefer the West tender than the 'short-stack' one, ...
So do I. However, I did find a picture of H9s Cab #1744, a rebuilt H8, with the "short-stack" tender so I'm good with it.
Heres a photo of one thats dated 1949 with the short tender. ( more can be seen here if you scroll down: Pennsy Steam photos)
My question is. Why the jump in cab numbers. Many photos of these are cab numbers 5000-7000's
JC642 posted:Lionel cataloged two different tenders. One with a backup light and high sloped coal sides and the other with marker lights.. Anyone know if the tender with marker lights pictured with the #1288 H10 is accurate?
Joe
With a google search It appears marker lights are accurate. This photo shows a backup light as well. There are more photos at the link I posted above.
Others look like they may lack a backup light:
I wish Lionel would drop the "Pennsylvania Lines" lettering on the high sided tender and Just offer it in "Pennsylvania".
RickO posted:I wish Lionel would drop the "Pennsylvania Lines" lettering on the high sided tender and Just offer it in "Pennsylvania".
Well...
Rusty
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RickO posted:I wish Lionel would drop the "Pennsylvania Lines" lettering on the high sided tender and Just offer it in "Pennsylvania".
Rusty Traque posted:RickO posted:I wish Lionel would drop the "Pennsylvania Lines" lettering on the high sided tender and Just offer it in "Pennsylvania".
Well...
Rusty
If you are modeling the early 1900s then this configuration would be good, especially with the headlight mount. For post WWII modelers "Pennsylvania" and a high mount would be better. I still would prefer the high side tender.
WOW - awesome amount of PRR expertise on this thread! At least 50% more than I needed to know! LOL!
Arthur posted:BobbyD posted:NSDTrains posted:I personally don’t care about 100% prototypical accuracy on my layout so a swinging bell would be more of a plus for me even if it is out of place. However I realize there are definitely some people on this forum that would refuse to buy this item if it had a swinging bell because it is inaccurate. To each their own I guess. I was already eyeing up this engine before I even knew about the potential swinging bell.
I'm confused.
The real engine did not have a swinging bell?
Purchasers of the scale model want it to be incorrectly produced with one?
As previously noted the PRR family of 20th century "standard" steamers (A5, B6, C1, CC2, E6, G5, H6, H8, H9, H10, I1, J1, K4, L1, M1, N1, Q2, T1) were equipped with bells rung in a stationary position by an internal air driven clapper. Should the air clapper fail, there was provision to temporarily swing the bell using a clip on rope. I have the PRR bell from L1s 8197 and can testify as to how hard it is to swing it using a rope.
Here's a shot of a PRR 2-8-0 with swinging bell...
"Never say never" ? WINK!
JC642 posted:Arthur posted:BobbyD posted:NSDTrains posted:I personally don’t care about 100% prototypical accuracy on my layout so a swinging bell would be more of a plus for me even if it is out of place. However I realize there are definitely some people on this forum that would refuse to buy this item if it had a swinging bell because it is inaccurate. To each their own I guess. I was already eyeing up this engine before I even knew about the potential swinging bell.
I'm confused.
The real engine did not have a swinging bell?
Purchasers of the scale model want it to be incorrectly produced with one?
As previously noted the PRR family of 20th century "standard" steamers (A5, B6, C1, CC2, E6, G5, H6, H8, H9, H10, I1, J1, K4, L1, M1, N1, Q2, T1) were equipped with bells rung in a stationary position by an internal air driven clapper. Should the air clapper fail, there was provision to temporarily swing the bell using a clip on rope. I have the PRR bell from L1s 8197 and can testify as to how hard it is to swing it using a rope.
Here's a shot of a PRR 2-8-0 with swinging bell...
Is that the engine Lionel is producing? Or another model?
BobbyD posted:JC642 posted:Here's a shot of a PRR 2-8-0 with swinging bell...
Is that the engine Lionel is producing? Or another model?
It is an H6. The caption states it is cab #1875, an H6a. Built 1901-05, it was probably gone by 1934 because it was not superheated. Maybe these very early H6 engines had bells activated by a rope?
Update:
Finished the design. The swinging bell does fit, so this engine will have that functionality. One of my favorite features, so this is exciting.
For those who do not like this feature, we will be adding a provision in the code to disable it when programming the engine. The manual will explain how to do it.
The engine will also have the whistle steam smoke. With the small size of the loco, we had to put in two separate smoke units instead of our double unit, so the whistle will be removable to fill that smoke and the stack smoke will be refillable through the stack as usual.
A few other small notes:
- both versions of the tender will have a backup light and marker lamps.
- both tenders have scale coupler compatibility. Loco will ship with dummy scale and a separate dummy O gauge coupler.
- the frame/running gear is indeed from the Harriman 2-8-0. A very smooth and reliable drive-train.
Let me know if you have any questions.
@Dave Olson thanks for the update! The tender out of the box will feature a electro coupler? And in the box will be a dummy scale and o gauge coupler correct?
Sounds great, Dave! I would buy regardless, but I'll take the swinging bell. Two smoke units work for me too! Thank you!
Dave Olson posted:Update:
Finished the design. The swinging bell does fit, so this engine will have that functionality. One of my favorite features, so this is exciting.
For those who do not like this feature, we will be adding a provision in the code to disable it when programming the engine. The manual will explain how to do it.
The engine will also have the whistle steam smoke. With the small size of the loco, we had to put in two separate smoke units instead of our double unit, so the whistle will be removable to fill that smoke and the stack smoke will be refillable through the stack as usual.
A few other small notes:
- both versions of the tender will have a backup light and marker lamps.
- both tenders have scale coupler compatibility. Loco will ship with dummy scale and a separate dummy O gauge coupler.
- the frame/running gear is indeed from the Harriman 2-8-0. A very smooth and reliable drive-train.
Let me know if you have any questions.
Outstanding!
Dave, any chance the die could be changed to add the 'step pilot?'
Awesome!!!! I'm in! thanks Dave!
Dave,
Thanks for the update. I placed my pre-order this morning for the Pennsy Lines engine. My pre-order did not depend on the swinging bell but it is a great plus to an already great deal. Also thanks for answering my email earlier this week so quickly.
JohnB
TMCC version is affordable but I enjoy this beefed up model. These were seen on the Bel Del quite frequently with the iron ore and coal trains going up and down the line.
Dave Olson posted:Update:
Finished the design. The swinging bell does fit, so this engine will have that functionality. One of my favorite features, so this is exciting.
For those who do not like this feature, we will be adding a provision in the code to disable it when programming the engine. The manual will explain how to do it.
The engine will also have the whistle steam smoke. With the small size of the loco, we had to put in two separate smoke units instead of our double unit, so the whistle will be removable to fill that smoke and the stack smoke will be refillable through the stack as usual.
A few other small notes:
- both versions of the tender will have a backup light and marker lamps.
- both tenders have scale coupler compatibility. Loco will ship with dummy scale and a separate dummy O gauge coupler.
- the frame/running gear is indeed from the Harriman 2-8-0. A very smooth and reliable drive-train.
Let me know if you have any questions.
Excellent Dave!
Thanks!
I'm in for this one
Johnsgg1 posted:Dave, any chance the die could be changed to add the 'step pilot?'
Johnsgg1 posted:Dave, any chance the die could be changed to add the 'step pilot?'
If the frame/running gear is from the Harriman released two years ago , that engine had the step pilot. I don't see why it couldn't be implemented. In any case, I "WILL" be preordering this engine.. Sounds like it'll be a real nice piece that is priced right..... Too bad, If that PRR E6 from the last catalog had the swinging bell I would have ordered it too...
Joe
Dave,
This is excellent news. Per chance, will the engine be marketed as an H10 or an H9 since it seems to share more attributes, including cab numbers, with the H9 configuration?
Thanks again
Dave, will this locomotive have the full RCMC electronics package and not the troublesome back-EMF setup? That's all that stands in the way of my buying it. 
gunrunnerjohn posted:Dave, will this locomotive have the full RCMC electronics package and not the troublesome back-EMF setup? That's all that stands in the way of my buying it.
Good question I would like to know too.
gunrunnerjohn posted:Dave, will this locomotive have the full RCMC electronics package and not the troublesome back-EMF setup? That's all that stands in the way of my buying it.
From Dave himself from another thread last March...
"There will be no more O Scale Legacy engines with a BEMC. That's a promise."
and from last August...
"As stated before, no O scale Legacy engine will again. Either the RCMC fits in or it won't be made."
@Dave Olson Thanks for all of the info to this point.
One last thing ( from me anyway)
The Pennsylvania Lines West version, with "Pennsylvania Lines" lettering on the high side tender.
Is there any chance that could be changed that to just "Pennsylvania" on the high side tender for production?
It seems this loco is too late of a prototype for the " Lines" lettering.
From what I've seen. heard, and read, for this era, Pennsy west locos had only the "Pennsylvania" logo on the tender, like the rest of the railroad at that time.
Dave Olson posted:Update:
Finished the design. The swinging bell does fit, so this engine will have that functionality. One of my favorite features, so this is exciting.
For those who do not like this feature, we will be adding a provision in the code to disable it when programming the engine. The manual will explain how to do it.
The engine will also have the whistle steam smoke. With the small size of the loco, we had to put in two separate smoke units instead of our double unit, so the whistle will be removable to fill that smoke and the stack smoke will be refillable through the stack as usual.
A few other small notes:
- both versions of the tender will have a backup light and marker lamps.
- both tenders have scale coupler compatibility. Loco will ship with dummy scale and a separate dummy O gauge coupler.
- the frame/running gear is indeed from the Harriman 2-8-0. A very smooth and reliable drive-train.
Let me know if you have any questions.
Dave,
Will the whistle steam and swinging bell operate if running in conventional mode ?
Thank you.
Damm, Dave, I had convinced myself that since I have the 2001 H9 I didn't need another one. Whistle smoke, backup light, Legacy sound, swinging bell, now I need one.
RickO posted:@Dave Olson Thanks for all of the info to this point.
One last thing ( from me anyway)
The Pennsylvania Lines West version, with "Pennsylvania Lines" lettering on the high side tender.
Is there any chance that could be changed that to just "Pennsylvania" on the high side tender for production?
It seems this loco is too late of a prototype for the " Lines" lettering.
From what I've seen. heard, and read, for this era, Pennsy west locos had only the "Pennsylvania" logo on the tender, like the rest of the railroad at that time.
I second what RickO said about the 'Pennsylvania Lines' lettering. I would love to have the opportunity to purchase one with the high side tender and only 'Pennsylvania' lettering. Of course the step pilot would be the icing on the already delicious cake!
Well, having the RCMC, the whistle steam, and the swinging bell make it too tempting to pass up on!
I third what RickO said.
The “Pennsylvania Lines” has been my holdup as well. I really want the high side tender with just “Pennsylvania”
Trainlover9943 posted:The tender out of the box will feature a electro coupler? And in the box will be a dummy scale and o gauge coupler correct?
E/C on tender and separate scale coupler mount. Front of loco has dummy scale installed with included separate O gauge.
Johnsgg1 posted:Dave, any chance the die could be changed to add the 'step pilot?'
Unfortunately no.
N&W posted:This is excellent news. Per chance, will the engine be marketed as an H10 or an H9 since it seems to share more attributes, including cab numbers, with the H9 configuration?
The shell and pilot are based on a H9. Too late to change it to a H9 though as it has already been catalogued.
gunrunnerjohn posted:Dave, will this locomotive have the full RCMC electronics package and not the troublesome back-EMF setup? That's all that stands in the way of my buying it.
Correct. No BEMC in O Scale engines.
RickO posted:@Dave Olson Thanks for all of the info to this point.
One last thing ( from me anyway)
The Pennsylvania Lines West version, with "Pennsylvania Lines" lettering on the high side tender.
Is there any chance that could be changed that to just "Pennsylvania" on the high side tender for production?
It seems this loco is too late of a prototype for the " Lines" lettering.
From what I've seen. heard, and read, for this era, Pennsy west locos had only the "Pennsylvania" logo on the tender, like the rest of the railroad at that time.
I sent this to Ryan. That's his decision.
Arthur posted:Will the whistle steam and swinging bell operate if running in conventional mode ?
Yes
Just adding another vote for the "PENNSYLVANIA" high-sided tender.
I'm still in even with the non-step pilot but please just drop the 'Lines' off of the high-sided tender.
Having the swinging bell, smoking whistle and more at that price point will make this a smash hit for Lionel. Glad I have the set ordered!
graz posted:Just adding another vote for the "PENNSYLVANIA" high-sided tender.
Ditto.
I'm ordering for the "PENNSYLVANIA LINES" tender lettering, got a bunch of great looking Atlas PENNSYLVANIA LINES 36' reefers that need a locomotive.
where is the weathering done on the one lionel is offering. in china at the factory or in us at lionel facility.
tangoman posted:where is the weathering done on the one lionel is offering. in china at the factory or in us at lionel facility.
Harry Hieke is in the US. I imagine they get shipped to him. Each one will be unique.
Arthur posted:I'm ordering for the "PENNSYLVANIA LINES" tender lettering, got a bunch of great looking Atlas PENNSYLVANIA LINES 36' reefers that need a locomotive.
I like the high sided tender much better so I'm hoping they remove the "Lines" If not I'll still take it with the Lines. I actually never heard of it before this engine appeared.. Anyone know when and how far west PRR engines with Lines tenders ran?
joe
Harry is in NJ, and he hand weathers each one.
JC642 posted:Arthur posted:I'm ordering for the "PENNSYLVANIA LINES" tender lettering, got a bunch of great looking Atlas PENNSYLVANIA LINES 36' reefers that need a locomotive.
I like the high sided tender much better so I'm hoping they remove the "Lines" If not I'll still take it with the Lines. I actually never heard of it before this engine appeared.. Anyone know when and how far west PRR engines with Lines tenders ran?
joe
The PRR went to St. Louis. The Pennsylvania Lines West of Pittsburgh and Erie, or Pennsylvania Lines West, became part of the Pennsylvania Railroad (actually more complicated then that) in 1920. "Pennsylvania Lines" on the tenders was replaced with "Pennsylvania" at that time.
As a side note, all 273 original built H10 engines were built for Lines West and had the high sided tender and "Pennsylvania Lines" when built between 1913 and 1916. Many H8 and H9 engines were rebuilt into H10s and used by the lines east of Pittsburgh
From Ryan:
We're sticking with the Pennsylvania Lines version for this round… We’ll do a “Pennsylvania” version with the LW tender in the next run. Lots of potential variations on this one and already found another roadname to add.
Thanks
Thanks Dave!
While not my road and therefore not on my list, I hope these sell really well for Lionel. It would be great to port the features (e.g., swinging bell) and price point to other steamers sized to work on most everyone's layout. I would love to see a similar effort on a small ATSF or NKP steamer. I hope everyone who orders it enjoys what looks like to be a fantastic engine.
Dave Olson posted:From Ryan:
We're sticking with the Pennsylvania Lines version for this round… We’ll do a “Pennsylvania” version with the LW tender in the next run. Lots of potential variations on this one and already found another roadname to add.
Thanks
Hmmmm.....maybe I'll get the short tender and heap the **** out of the coal pile with some extra coal and consider the tall tender version for a double header in a year or so.
RickO posted
Like that foot board pilot
Dave Olson posted:From Ryan:
We're sticking with the Pennsylvania Lines version for this round… We’ll do a “Pennsylvania” version with the LW tender in the next run. Lots of potential variations on this one and already found another roadname to add.
Thanks
Lots of roads purchased hand-me-down ex-PRR H10s, including the Interstate - tons of potential for more road names:
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Very excited to see whistle steam and swinging bell! It’s a great deal for the money. I will probably order the regular prr 1228 with the flat tender
When’s the date it’s suppose to be out. I haven’t pre ordered yet.
Blue Streak posted:
Yes
Dave -
On page 14 of the catalog, B (6-84949) is listed as Pennsylvania #8093. The accompanying picture depicts Pennsylvania-Reading Seashore Lines #6072. FWIW, Lionel previously issued "H-class" PRSL #6072 as 6-38037 in the 2001 Volume 2 catalog. Even with the new model being Legacy, would prefer not to duplicate a previously used road number for PRSL which had plenty of other "H-class" locomotives whose numbers have not yet been used.
So, what is 6-84949 going to be? And if it is PRSL, can the road number be changed?
Peter Gentieu
For a future run for Michigan/Ohio people...
I am definitely getting one of these now with the swinging bell. I think these will actually sell out as it is one of the lower priced scale legacy engines and loaded with features.
I want to get the Reading-Seashore Lines one, but the picture and description in catalog do not match (its the only one that doesn't match). The name and road number on picture do not match the description.
Is the picture wrong or the description. I do not want to order that one if it won't be the Reading-Seashore line. I would get one of the other road numbers instead.
Dave, can you comment if there will be a Reading-Seashore version?
The description for B is wrong. The image is right.
6-84949 PRSL #6072
Road number will stay 6072 - cannot be changed now.
Dave, are you going over to China to supervise the QC before these ship. 
So, will the sand dome be the correct larger one as shown on all the H8/9/10 pictures above or the smaller style like on the E6 and the older Lionel H9 from 10-15 years ago? Just curious, it will not affect whether I order one or not.
The sand dome is far from the only incorrect thing about this loco, if you're interested in accuracy vs. the prototype. It will be loaded with fun play features but will not be a good scale model by any stretch.
Dave Olson posted:The description for B is wrong. The image is right.
6-84949 PRSL #6072
Road number will stay 6072 - cannot be changed now.
Dave - Thank you!!!! I appreciate your fast response. Kudos to Lionel for making PRSL models. PRSL did have two different Consolidation locomotives numbered 6072 (although not simultaneously) so it is, in a way, like the prototype. And while the current model has the earlier style lettering (sans serif), the previous model had the later Clarendon lettering so they do represent two different eras.
This is a good source of PRR steam diagrams:
http://prr.railfan.net/diagram...te&sz=sm&fr=
Maybe someone can compare Lionel's last 'H9' or one of the E6s against the correct diagram.
Dennis Holler posted:So, will the sand dome be the correct larger one as shown on all the H8/9/10 pictures above or the smaller style like on the E6 and the older Lionel H9 from 10-15 years ago? Just curious, it will not affect whether I order one or not.
Nitpickers should be a heck of a lot more concerned about that fictitious cowcatcher then the sand dome.
Joe
SantaFe158 posted:For a future run for Michigan/Ohio people...
Just about every RR that ran in and around Michigan including Pere Marquette , Wabash, GTW and the DTI had 2-8-0 engines... NYC & the PRR also ran these types throughout southern MI. I ordered the PENN Lines simply because I like the high sided tender better. Also "Lines West" would be appropriate for the PRR 2-8-0 engine that ran into MI.. BTW, a real decent price for a Lionel legacy engine loaded with features. My dealer had it well under $600. Let's hope it arrives defect free..
joe
JC642 posted:My dealer had it well under $600.
What dealer? Please email the dealer name to m privately at the email in my profile.
Bob posted:The sand dome is far from the only incorrect thing about this loco, if you're interested in accuracy vs. the prototype. It will be loaded with fun play features but will not be a good scale model by any stretch.
Agreed, but I had not notice it being mentioned and it is about the first thing you see (or I notice) when looking at the loco. I guess I was just surprised it had not been mentioned when other smaller or less noticeable details were mentioned. That's all.
Again, I am happy Lionel made it, I may buy one if I decide I can stomach the coins required. If not, I'll live with the older Lionel H9 I just bought from a fellow forum member for $75 (it is boardless now).
JC642 posted:Dennis Holler posted:So, will the sand dome be the correct larger one as shown on all the H8/9/10 pictures above or the smaller style like on the E6 and the older Lionel H9 from 10-15 years ago? Just curious, it will not affect whether I order one or not.
Nitpickers should be a heck of a lot more concerned about that fictitious cowcatcher then the sand dome.
Joe
I'm thinking you could alter the cowcatcher a lot easier than changing that cast on sand dome.. I think there was a nicely built CLW or Saginaw 2-8-0 one the bay a month or so back that only went for $300 or so. I know those aren't perfect either. I have most of one that I need to build some day too.
I suppose my view is that it is not so much that all details are perfect, but are the incorrect details that you can not stomach perfect.
Will the production model look like the catalog picture? The catalog picture doesn't look like an H10, its not even an apples to apples comparison. The Premier H10 is an exceptional diecast model and looks a lot more like the prototype, photo below. Can Lionel adjust the tooling of what looks like their H9 model to make it look more like the H10, or is that not feasible? Or, why not call the new model an H9?
Premier H10
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JC642 posted:Dennis Holler posted:So, will the sand dome be the correct larger one as shown on all the H8/9/10 pictures above or the smaller style like on the E6 and the older Lionel H9 from 10-15 years ago? Just curious, it will not affect whether I order one or not.
Nitpickers should be a heck of a lot more concerned about that fictitious cowcatcher then the sand dome.
Joe
I do not think there is anything fictitious about the cowcatcher since these engines had the cowcatcher at least into the mid-1920s or later. I think the cowcatcher is very appropriate on the Lines West engine, and on the PRR engines if you model pre-1930s. I'm pretty sure all 273 original H10 tenders were high sided, but many of the H10s that were rebuilt from H8/H9 engines kept their original low sided tenders.
My issue is I model the late 1940s and I have not seen any pictures of an H8/H9/H10 taken after the beginning of WWII where the engine had a cow catcher. Now that Dave and company have heard our concerns, I think I'm going to wait for the next release. Maybe they will go back to calling it an H9 with an H9 cab number, have a PRR engine with a high side tender, and replace the cow catcher with foot boards. I could live with a low side tender, especially if they call it an H9, but really want those foot boards.
Some pictures of my MTH PRR H10 #7676 with PS2. An older model - just like its owner.
MELGAR
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Paul Kallus posted:Will the production model look like the catalog picture? The catalog picture doesn't look like an H10, its not even an apples to apples comparison. The Premier H10 is an exceptional diecast model and looks a lot more like the prototype, photo below. Can Lionel adjust the tooling of what looks like their H9 model to make it look more like the H10, or is that not feasible? Or, why not call the new model an H9?
Premier H10
All of these issues relative to H10 configurations have been brought up, including:
- wheel spacing
- wheel diameter
- dome location
- snifter valve
- pneumatic bell clapper
- incorrect engine numbers
- earlier cowcatcher, and on and on.....
Lionel is not going to change anything as result of the fact that the engine has been marketed as an H10.....period. If they at least were willing to change their stance, despite marketing, and call it an H9 it would be somewhat more correct but that is not going to happen. Maybe next time around marketing might show some deference to engineering......
Nicks Trains posted:JC642 posted:My dealer had it well under $600.What dealer? Please email the dealer name to m privately at the email in my profile.
I would like to know this as well.
HiawathaRunner posted:Nicks Trains posted:JC642 posted:My dealer had it well under $600.What dealer? Please email the dealer name to m privately at the email in my profile.
I would like to know this as well.
Add me to the list
JC642 posted:SantaFe158 posted:For a future run for Michigan/Ohio people...
Just about every RR that ran in and around Michigan including Pere Marquette , Wabash, GTW and the DTI had 2-8-0 engines... NYC & the PRR also ran these types throughout southern MI. I ordered the PENN Lines simply because I like the high sided tender better. Also "Lines West" would be appropriate for the PRR 2-8-0 engine that ran into MI.. BTW, a real decent price for a Lionel legacy engine loaded with features. My dealer had it well under $600. Let's hope it arrives defect free..
joe
I believe most railroads ran 2-8-0's at one time or another. The DT&I became part of the PRR system after Henry Ford sold it in 1929, so after that point they ran many PRR locomotive types with the DT&I herald on the tender, the 2-8-0 pictured above being one of them.
Anyone know the length of this engine?
LIONEL posted:Anyone know the length of this engine?
My MTH Premier PRR H-10 is approximately 18 inches in length. The engine length is 10 inches and the tender is 8 inches. The driver wheelbase is 4-3/8 inches. Photos posted above. Not necessarily what the Lionel model will be but probably close.
MELGAR
About a year ago decided not to buy anymore Lionel. Wouldn't you know that the one engine Lionel is offering again since it was produced in 2001 was the H9/10 based on the E6 dies. At a street price of about $640 pre-buy its a bargain. Yes the detail don't quite match but the E6,H9, and G5 all had the same basic boiler. And they were delivered with road pilots. Seems like the foot boards were added in the 20's along with electric headlight and generator. The H9 had been replaced by the L1 and M1 as primary road engines.
Sorry to resurrect an older thread but figured this was the best place for my question; does anyone know if this locomotive will also include the firebox glow effect?
Seems like if you're not overly concerned with period specific details this is a pretty feature packed engine for the price.
NO Idea. YOu will have to e-mail Dave Olsen for that info. With the other details available on thisw loco. The firebox glow which whould be easy to install is no dealbreaker for me.
Dave,
If the engine has the frame/running gear of the Harriman 2-8-0, I sure hope it has the correct valve gear like the 2001 H9 did. Can you perhaps give me an insight on this? Also, do you have any idea if the locomotive will have the prototypical "Banshee" whistle? Thanks again!!
I'm not Dave but.......
Dave has mentioned on more than one occassion that it WILL have the banshee whistle. The same as the recent pennsy light mikado as well as the B6 switcher from a few years ago.
Given Lionels reputation for reusing tooling it should look very similar to the TMCC version, depending on the tender style on the particular roadname one chooses. FWIW the "high sided tender" is from the Pennsy vison line CC2 tooling.
Heres the tmcc version for reference:
RickO posted:I'm not Dave but.......
Dave has mentioned on more than one occassion that it WILL have the banshee whistle. The same as the recent pennsy light mikado as well as the B6 switcher from a few years ago.
Given Lionels reputation for reusing tooling it should look very similar to the TMCC version, depending on the tender style on the particular roadname one chooses. FWIW the "high sided tender" is from the Pennsy vison line CC2 tooling.
Heres the tmcc version for reference:
Thanks for the info Rick!
Wow, I'm excited for the whistle!! I just sold my TMCC version, and I presume it will have the same (correct) valve gear as its 2001 counterpart. Hopefully the driver size and spacing won't look awkward. Does anyone know when these beasts will be released? I cant image they haven't made a pre production sample yet!
Where have you been Garret?
If Lionels shipping schedule is still correct. These locos are on the water now and folks should start receiving them mid-October.
Theres a pre production sample on Lionels facebook live video. Its tough to see because of the distance.
Go to 11:40
https://www.facebook.com/Lione...s/10157735745893345/
( Click on "not now" in the lower right had corner of the facebook signup popup if you don't have facebook.)
RickO posted:Where have you been Garret?
If Lionels shipping schedule is still correct. These locos are on the water now and folks should start receiving them mid-October.
Theres a pre production sample on Lionels facebook live video. Its tough to see because of the distance.
Go to 11:40
https://www.facebook.com/Lione...s/10157735745893345/
( Click on "not now" in the lower right had corner of the facebook signup popup if you don't have facebook.)
I Google the schedule last night and didn't see the on there. Like half the schedule glitched out so maybe they were involved with the glitch. Thanks for the info!!
I just emailed Ryan Kunkle. He said Target Shipping date for the h10's is Sept 28th. They are not on the water yet.
Dj'sOgaugetrains posted:I just emailed Ryan Kunkle. He said Target Shipping date for the h10's is Sept 28th. They are not on the water yet.
Hope they get here soon, they look sharp!!
Garrett Monnin posted:Dj'sOgaugetrains posted:I just emailed Ryan Kunkle. He said Target Shipping date for the h10's is Sept 28th. They are not on the water yet.
Hope they get here soon, they look sharp!!
These are gonna be really cool! I'm excited. If Lionel makes their target; it take about 6-8weeks for the models to be delivered to Lionel then be distrubuted.
Dj'sOgaugetrains posted:Garrett Monnin posted:Dj'sOgaugetrains posted:I just emailed Ryan Kunkle. He said Target Shipping date for the h10's is Sept 28th. They are not on the water yet.
Hope they get here soon, they look sharp!!
These are gonna be really cool! I'm excited. If Lionel makes their target; it take about 6-8weeks for the models to be delivered to Lionel then be distrubuted.
Man, I wish they were just made in America:/
Resurrecting an older thread here, but has anyone seen the production sample of the h10 that was running at York? It has a horrid white smokebox, and the red on the cab roof and tender roof do not match, with the latter being brighter than the former. The ornamental pieces, such as the bell, whistle, etc have no shine to them, and look as if they were painted yellow. Is anyone else appalled by this, or is it just me? I heard the shipping date got pushed back so maybe they have time to get it right... Sorry about the poor quality of the screenshot, but Ryan Kunkle confirmed that this will be the appearance of the engine, kinda disappointed in Lionel.
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Garrett, I don't know about the other details (other than that the prototype did NOT have a swinging bell) but the darker cab roof is correct per PRR painting instructions. The tender deck is "Freight Car Color" while the roof is a mix of Freight Car Color and black.
I posted the link to the Trainworld York video on the other h10 thread. H10 info starts at 7:47 : https://www.facebook.com/Train...eos/471456796696256/
I don't care for the "silver" smokebox either , but it appears to be the standard across Lionels recent steamers. Imo it looks bad on the berks and niagaras as well.
Every other Lionel locomotive I currently own was purchased at different times over the last 15 years. All have a similar much darker shade of graphite for the smokebox.
I hope the whistle and bell will be polished on the final product.
The whistle is absolutely correct for an h10.
Ryan stated in the video these are on the water now and folks should start seeing them the middle of November.
Bob posted:Garrett, I don't know about the other details (other than that the prototype did NOT have a swinging bell) but the darker cab roof is correct per PRR painting instructions. The tender deck is "Freight Car Color" while the roof is a mix of Freight Car Color and black.
Interesting, Bob. thanks for the info!
As pointed out the whistle is correct and, while cool, these locomotives had phneumatic bell ringers, not swinging bells. The silvery color for the smoke box is correct but, hopefully, production has it toned down to represent the true graphite color. Deck and roof colors appear to be correct. Also the steam feed pipes are correct without the snifter valves. It also appears that the class lights on the pilot beam are now illuminated - nice touch.
Danr posted:Also the steam feed pipes are correct without the snifter valves.
It also appears that the class lights on the pilot beam are now illuminated - nice touch.
So the pre-production model Lionel had at York this past few days did not have the snifter valves? Great. Hopefully that also means they changed the H9 cab numbers in the catalog to H10 numbers.
The classification lights look green which I personally would not want (I would never use this engine with a second section). I personally would have wanted white (an extra). Disconnecting them (no lights) to indicate a scheduled train would be my option.
CAPPilot posted:Danr posted:Also the steam feed pipes are correct without the snifter valves.
It also appears that the class lights on the pilot beam are now illuminated - nice touch.
So the pre-production model Lionel had at York this past few days did not have the snifter valves? Great. Hopefully that also means they changed the H9 cab numbers in the catalog to H10 numbers.
The classification lights look green which I personally would not want (I would never use this engine with a second section). I personally would have wanted white (an extra). Disconnecting them (no lights) to indicate a scheduled train would be my option.
I agree, I hope it's accurately an H10.
If you don't want the class lights on, you can turn them off with the Legacy remote, so you can replicate a scheduled run.
Danr posted:As pointed out the whistle is correct and, while cool, these locomotives had phneumatic bell ringers, not swinging bells. The silvery color for the smoke box is correct but, hopefully, production has it toned down to represent the true graphite color. Deck and roof colors appear to be correct. Also the steam feed pipes are correct without the snifter valves. It also appears that the class lights on the pilot beam are now illuminated - nice touch.
I've never seen an H10 with a white smokebox, was that their as built appearance?
Very TrainMan1225 posted:Here’s a piece of the H10 running on Railroading In America’s Instagram Live, for all wondering how it runs.
Very excited for this one, I didn’t pre order but I will probably be getting the Pennsylvania Line West tender version when it comes out
AmtrakNickFilms posted:Very TrainMan1225 posted:Here’s a piece of the H10 running on Railroading In America’s Instagram Live, for all wondering how it runs.
Very excited for this one, I didn’t pre order but I will probably be getting the Pennsylvania Line West tender version when it comes out
I’d like to have that one, but that isn’t listed on Trainworld’s website. I just decided to settle for the Western Allegheny version. Will post videos when it arrives.
RickO posted:I posted the link to the Trainworld York video on the other h10 thread. H10 info starts at 7:47 : https://www.facebook.com/Train...eos/471456796696256/
I don't care for the "silver" smokebox either , but it appears to be the standard across Lionels recent steamers. Imo it looks bad on the berks and niagaras as well.
Every other Lionel locomotive I currently own was purchased at different times over the last 15 years. All have a similar much darker shade of graphite for the smokebox.
I hope the whistle and bell will be polished on the final product.
The whistle is absolutely correct for an h10.
Ryan stated in the video these are on the water now and folks should start seeing them the middle of November.
Thanks for the update. Next month sound good to me.
TrainMan1225 posted:Here’s a piece of the H10 running on Railroading In America’s Instagram Live, for all wondering how it runs.
Awesome!
TrainMan1225 posted:AmtrakNickFilms posted:Very TrainMan1225 posted:Here’s a piece of the H10 running on Railroading In America’s Instagram Live, for all wondering how it runs.
Very excited for this one, I didn’t pre order but I will probably be getting the Pennsylvania Line West tender version when it comes out
I’d like to have that one, but that isn’t listed on Trainworld’s website. I just decided to settle for the Western Allegheny version. Will post videos when it arrives.
Nice video!
Definitely hope the Bell isn't that color either.
I pre-ordered the Western Allegheny and this extra wait has been killing me. I hope it is worth it in the end.
Thanks!
Looks like they are in stock now at Nassau.
cswalter posted:Looks like they are in stock now at Nassau.
Sweet! Not ordering from there though, just waiting until Trainworld gets theirs in. Fingers crossed it shouldn't be long now.
TrainMan1225 posted:cswalter posted:Looks like they are in stock now at Nassau.
Sweet! Not ordering from there though, just waiting until Trainworld gets theirs in. Fingers crossed it shouldn't be long now.
Hopefully Nicholas Smith gets his soon, hopefully my Linea West version will arrive before December!
Trainworld called me today to confirm shipping address for my Bellefonte Central H10. Lionel comes thru with time to spare before Christmas!
Yup, Ready to Roll told me mine was ready but I'm away for the week 😭😭 hopefully Monday I can stop by and pick it up. Can't wait!
Daniel J. Gonzalez posted:Yup, Ready to Roll told me mine was ready but I'm away for the week 😭😭 hopefully Monday I can stop by and pick it up. Can't wait!
Same here, I'm going to NC for Thanksgiving Break and I wouldn't like it to show up while I'm gone. First thing I'm doing when I get back.
Got the call from Nicholas Smith, should be here Friday. Luckily I'll be in town!
TrainMan1225 posted:Daniel J. Gonzalez posted:Yup, Ready to Roll told me mine was ready but I'm away for the week 😭😭 hopefully Monday I can stop by and pick it up. Can't wait!
Same here, I'm going to NC for Thanksgiving Break and I wouldn't like it to show up while I'm gone. First thing I'm doing when I get back.
Safe travels!!
Garrett Monnin posted:Got the call from Nicholas Smith, should be here Friday. Luckily I'll be in town!
I will be furiously refreshing this page Friday hoping you post a video!!! Or at least some photos 🙏🙏🙏 lol
Thanks!
Any new comments, videos?
Doug N posted:Any new comments, videos?
Eric shows his a few times in his most recent video.
Doug N posted:Any new comments, videos?
What planet have you been on Doug?
Anything you need to know is on these 3 threads:
This one covers the features:
https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/...0-quick-review-video
This one discusses manufacturing flaws, and on the last page Daniel Gonzales is brave enough to remove the shell and show the inner workings:
https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/...h-power-tools?page=4
This last one discusses how to darken the silver smokebox and also suggests that while not common,it "could" have happened as there were lighter colored smokeboxes.
https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/...06#81678117850323006
I removed the bottom plate to grease the gearbox, I should post photos. Man is that the way to have access to the gears.
RickO posted:Doug N posted:Any new comments, videos?
What planet have you been on Doug?
I removed the bottom plate to grease the gearbox, I should post photos. Man is that the way to have access to the gears.
Well, in all fairness to Doug, it had been a few weeks since anything new had been posted. And yes, please post photos!
Mark in Oregon
Rick O, exactly which screws did you remove on the bottom plate to access the gears? I removed three where it said "grease" but the plate didn't budge, and I was afraid to go further.
Remove the pickup rollers too. Those screws also hold the bottom plate on.
Thanks RICKO. That turned out to be 5 screws plus the pickup rollers. I now have the gears greased up to my satisfaction.
