Lionel response time?

@PRRronbh posted:

Hi Peter,  I am/was thinking about one of these.  I cannot fine your original post to what your problem is with this model.  Please point me there or elaborate on what was not right.  Think saw were at least one other forum member also has a problem right out of the box.

Ron

That is because I never listed the problem here.....I just dealt with it.

I new there was something bad immediately....when I put power to the track, the engine turned on for a about 5 seconds and fired the rear electrocoupler. It would only come up in TMCC mode...and, could not be reprogrammed out of ID#1.

No fan driven smoke, just whistle steam. Then, no smoke and a blinking cab light signifying a bad heating element.

In addition, the front steps on the R side were detached from the cow-catcher area.

Peter

@Putnam Division posted:

That is because I never listed the problem here.....I just dealt with it.

Peter

Well you went about it all wrong then.  LOL!

@Putnam Division posted:

That is because I never listed the problem here.....I just dealt with it.

I new there was something bad immediately....when I put power to the track, the engine turned on for a about 5 seconds and fired the rear electrocoupler. It would only come up in TMCC mode...and, could not be reprogrammed out of ID#1.

No fan driven smoke, just whistle steam. Then, no smoke and a blinking cab light signifying a bad heating element.

In addition, the front steps on the R side were detached from the cow-catcher area.

Peter

WOW!!!!!

I seem to recall about the time you posted that your wife bought this engine another forum member posted he had problems right out of the box.  And as I recall he listed some of the same things!  I am trying to find this post but the forum will not let my new iMac to access  the "search" function.

Things at Lionel sure are NOT the same post Mike Reagan

Will have to give buying this some second thoughts even though Concord is less than 30-miles south of me.

Ron

@PRRronbh posted:

WOW!!!!!

I seem to recall about the time you posted that your wife bought this engine another forum member posted he had problems right out of the box.  And as I recall he listed some of the same things!  I am trying to find this post but the forum will not let my new iMac to access  the "search" function.

Things at Lionel sure are NOT the same post Mike Reagan

Will have to give buying this some second thoughts even though Concord is less than 30-miles south of me.

Ron

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Well, I'm not pleased to have a failure like that right out of the box......but, I am going to give Lionel a change to make it right.......

When the engine was messed up right out of the box, I emailed the dealer where my family purchased to. It was Mr Muffin's and they have always done a good job for me. They emailed me back the next day. Since this was a BTO engine that was completely sold out, they advised my to call Lionel. I called Lionel the next day and received a FedEx Return Authorization by email in a few hours......the next day it was on its way to Concord and FedEx confirmed that it arrived 1/4.

I love the engine am hoping it can be restored to brand new. If it cannot, I will certainly press Lionel for a refund.

Peter

Just another data point... I opened up a number of engines around the end of November and two of those had problems.  I emailed customer service about each problem separately and received emails from Aaron fairly soon thereafter letting me know that he would send an RA# and label for each.  It took about 3-4 weeks for those labels to arrive, but they did in fact get to me as promised.  The holidays were right smack in the middle of that process, so I did expect some delay.  The engines are now at Lionel.  I cannot speak to their overall service level, but in my case they were responsive and while not super-quick, they did follow through.  I have yet to receive the engines back but at this point I am happy they are back at Lionel getting repaired.

Ben

@Markp2021 posted:

Hello All - I am very new to O-gauge railroading but am enjoying it thoroughly with my son. We started with a Lioncheif starter set, 6-83984, which is the Pennsylvania Flyer RTR set. The sound has died on it, and we are trying to get warranty repairs.

My issue is that the train is (was) in Warranty and I called, faxed and emailed Lionel with no response. My last contact via email was on 12-21. I've had no response at all. Is this normal? I've since bought two other locos from a dealer, but this first one was from Amazon so they are no help. Thanks in advance for any insights.

Hi All - I finally got a response from Lionel today! February 2nd 2021 and my initial contact was December 22, 2020. I have already had the train fixed, but it would have been nice to have it done under warranty. Just FYI for all those out there with open RA's. Thanks.

No disrespect to former service manager Dean, But when Mike left Lionel, the service dept took a downhill turn and never recovered.

Chuck - I wholeheartedly agree with your assessment of Mike Reagan, and it remains to be seen whether Lionel's service end will ever come close to what Mike accomplished during his stint at Lionel. Let's hope so.

PS - I still call up his instructional videos on You Tube from time to time because they were so informative. 

Well unfortunately when Dean left the pandemic just started or was about to start. Arron I believe just took the helm.  I will hold off judgement until after he has some normalcy to work with. If things continue as they are after the pandemic is over then they need to seriously re-evaluate what they are doing.  I guess I'm a glass half full guy.

@Chuck Sartor posted:

No disrespect to former service manager Dean, But when Mike left Lionel, the service dept took a downhill turn and never recovered.

No question there. He cleaned house on parts and customer service. An Ra# was a mere email and 24hrs or less away.

(Not all of us are retired and have an hour or two to sit on hold.)

What a good time in the hobby that was!

@MartyE posted:

Well you went about it all wrong then.  LOL!

Guess I’m going about it the wrong way as well! I never air my woes here and they always get resolved!

Other than the interminably long wait times at Lionel for anything requiring a phone call, I don't really have any complaints about parts.  Even through the worst of the pandemic, they were still shipping parts way faster than MTH.  Nowadays, I get my orders in about two weeks from placement, I've got no issues with that.  I haven't used their service in a long time, but when I sent a couple of Legacy systems in, the turned them around reasonably quickly.

At our previous home I always shopped local, but we moved and that is not much of an option anymore.   Now I have a few train shops that I'll order from online, not ebay or non-descript web only stores.   In the past year I have received two defective Lionel units which when I contacted the dealer promptly sent me a replacement and a RMA with prepaid shipping. So did you try contacting your seller for a replacement?   On one unit I contacted Lionel direct and still no response to this day.     

Recently I placed a small parts order with Lionel. I didn't remember if I received an email confirmation, so about a week later I thought I would email an inquiry. The parts arrived a few days later, I believe less than 10 days after I placed the order.

3 weeks after the order was placed & 2 weeks after my email inquiry I received the following email reply from Meghan at Lionel:
"I apologize for the delay in response. We have been experiencing issues with our automated order confirmation emails. It looks like you have received your order, please don’t hesitate to call or email if you have any issues with your orders."

I received my order in less than 10 days which is quite acceptable. My thought is, if you need a repair, call Lionel and stay on hold with your phone on speaker, until they answer or until it seems like an unacceptable wait time and try again. Do something else while waiting, maybe play with your trains.

I called this past Monday 2-1 and held on phone for 15 to 20 minutes and got everything and the RA emailed later that day and shipped yesterday and they will have it tomorrow. No problem with getting ahold of them.

It sounds like there have been plenty of positive outcomes, but I just think that they should do a better job in managing this process. I think this thread proves that. So here comes my rant:

Having to wait on hold for extended time just seems insane to me. Maybe I'm the insane one. Pandemic or not, my business has seen bumps and we are an American manufacturer.  We rarely have missed delivery dates nor do we ignore customers. Customer service can be done from a home office if needed.

A Lionel online portal and submission system would make too much sense to track your order/returns/repairs.

In my situation, they (Lionel) did well. I certainly don't have the patience to wait 40 days for a response, so I'm going to figure it out and pay for it on my own when it should have been a warranty issue. I bet they count on that to save money. They have little competition, so why should they improve? Just my opinion.

After not much help from the purchasing dealer, I called Lionel on 2/4/21 about a replacement piece of 36" lighted curve track for one which had a crack completely across the roadbed. It was from a Lionel Junction set I purchased this Christmas. Called Lionel around 9:15 am and hung up 30 mins later because of no answer. Called back at 12:40 pm and a customer service person looked up to see if a single piece of track was available and then confirmed my customer info - 45 mins for that call. Today I am happy to say I received my piece of track! Thank-you Lionel!

Henry Cohen - I'm happy for you that your problem was resolved, but then again once you got hold of an actual service person you probably received preferential treatment as soon as you told them your last name (lol).

For clarification - Lionel Trains Founder Joshua Lionel Cowen's forebears spelled their last name 'Cohen'.

Source: Ron Hollander's book (page 12) entitled 'ALL ABOARD - The Story of Joshua Lionel Cowen & His Lionel Train Company.'

@PH1975 posted:

For clarification - Lionel Trains Founder Joshua Lionel Cowen's forebears spelled their last name 'Cohen'.

Source: Ron Hollander's book (page 12) entitled 'ALL ABOARD - The Story of Joshua Lionel Cowen & His Lionel Train Company.'

If I was part of that family, I don't think I would have had to call 'Customer Service'!