Lionmaster T1

Is this the first time you’ve hooked up your CAB-2? Do you have other engines that run with your CAB-2? Just trying to isolate the problem to your engine or command set up. Tell us more. 👍🏻

A couple of things to try.

Press the “Set” button and the headlight should blink.  Then press it again. That should reset the stall speed.

If that doesn’t work, maybe the ring magnet broke or fell off the flywheel.  That is what makes the Odyssey speed control work. When it’s missing the engine speed will act weirdly.

If it takes off as soon as you crack the throttle, the magnet ring is the top suspect.

Thanks for everyone’s help. I have no idea what the ring magnet is but I’ll look into it. The closest shop/store is over an hour from here in Norfolk Va. The place is called Dales. If I have to I’ll call them to see if they can work on it. At least now I know it should work with the Cab2.
OBX

Are you comfortable working on the engine yourself?

The magnet ring is on the flywheel on the motor. It's part of the sensor system that allows Odyssey/Legacy, or whatever system your engine has to monitor the speed of the motor. Without being able to monitor the motor's actual speed, the system thinks it needs to go faster. That's why the loco takes off and rockets down the track.

The fix can be to:

-repair/replace the magnet ring somehow (if indeed it is bad),

-or position/realign the sensor that looks at the magnet ring (if it is out of position)

-or maybe some internal plugs need to be unplugged and plugged back in to eliminate micro corrosion.

-or maybe install a Cruise Commander M from electric railroad.

If you are not comfortable working on it, by all means DON'T. There is nothing quite like trying to fix something that someone else took apart, put back together wrong and now it is FUBAR.

If the magnet ring isn't broken, then you can just glue it back in place.  If it is broken, the cheapest solution is to pull the flywheel and glue on a new $2 magnet ring.  However, that does take some expertise and tools.

The ring is broken and a 3 pin plug had fell down out of place. I have know idea of how to pull the flywheel without some sort of tiny flywheel puller.  I noticed the flywheel is about 3/64 from being flush with the tiny shaft it is on as compared to the front motor  

@N&W 1218 posted:

Is this the first time you’ve hooked up your CAB-2? Do you have other engines that run with your CAB-2? Just trying to isolate the problem to your engine or command set up. Tell us more. 👍🏻

It’s been hooked up and I recently programmed my K-line Hudson with it. Speaking of. I seem to remember the Hudson running smoother 20 years ago than it does now and it seems to have lost pulling power, or I’m just using heavy rolling stock as a consist.
OBX

Kenny, an easier solution for repair is to convert it to ERR Cruise M ( the motor driver)  this will give you smoother cruise than the stock driver, plus give you 100 speed steps vs. the stock 32 speed steps …..

Pat

The conversion will work, but it's a lot more expensive than replacing a $2 magnet.  It's also important to check what is connected to the 10-pin connector for the DCDS, as you have to replace that functionality with the Cruise Commander M installation.

wow,,thats what happend years ago to my lionelmaster wm challenger,did the exact same thing,had it fixed then sold it ,but it was a super nice loco for its time ,best of luck

Greetings, I’ve talked with a service rep at nearest place. He told me that Lionel doesn’t really have parts for engines over a few years old even though I had just told him Lionel site showed they had the part. He then-quoted me $125 to $175 to do the work. I immediately placed an order for two of the magnets. My question is it a fair price for the magnet replacement. I’ve researched this site. If I can find the Frank Timkco puller and pull the flywheel myself, will I actually need a press to safely press the flywheel back on. I can’t really find any info on what’s involved for the whole process. I’m sure to do it correctly I’d have to pull the whole motor as to leaving it in place and tapping the flywheel back on with a small brass hammer.  Mechanics background on real life stuff. Not so much toys. I’d hate to spend a third of the price of the loco to replace a $1.50 magnet. Should I just pay the nice man? Or just do it myself is the question. I can see where I’ll probably use a puller in the future for other issues, therefore a press also. Dag nab it. I didn’t want to set up a tiny engine repair shop🤪

@obxtrainman posted:

Greetings, I’ve talked with a service rep at nearest place. He told me that Lionel doesn’t really have parts for engines over a few years old even though I had just told him Lionel site showed they had the part. He then-quoted me $125 to $175 to do the work. I immediately placed an order for two of the magnets. My question is it a fair price for the magnet replacement. I’ve researched this site. If I can find the Frank Timkco puller and pull the flywheel myself, will I actually need a press to safely press the flywheel back on. I can’t really find any info on what’s involved for the whole process. I’m sure to do it correctly I’d have to pull the whole motor as to leaving it in place and tapping the flywheel back on with a small brass hammer.  Mechanics background on real life stuff. Not so much toys. I’d hate to spend a third of the price of the loco to replace a $1.50 magnet. Should I just pay the nice man? Or just do it myself is the question. I can see where I’ll probably use a puller in the future for other issues, therefore a press also. Dag nab it. I didn’t want to set up a tiny engine repair shop🤪

Holy cow!  That's a major ripoff, why not just buy a new locomotive?  It's an easy job, that's highway robbery!

If you want to do it the easy way, order the fix-it flywheel and the magnet.  Then you can leave the motor in place and just pull the flywheel from the top.  The fix-it flywheel has set screws and you don't need to press it on, hence no motor removal.

Thank you John. I figured it was something to that extent. I’m not normally cheap. This would have involved two 3 hr round trips into no man’s land around Norfolk. I wouldn’t feel safe without protection. The magnet I ordered from Lionel is probably wrong for the method you just informed me of might be wrong but it was low cost. I might be able to cancel the order. Thanks, your knowledge reminds me of Don Guyer.
obx

No need to cancel, the magnet ring is correct, there is only one type.

Greetings everyone,

I received magents today I should get the Fix-it flywheel early next week. I also started the process of getting a Timko Puller. Hopefully in a week or two. I’m anxious to see my most favorite Locomotive in action again🤗 I hope everyone are enjoying their layout as much as I am. Have a nice weekend everyone.

obx

When you get the fix-it flywheel and are installing the magnet, there's a "trick".  You'll find the lip that the magnet sets over isn't a close fit, there's some "slop" between the ring and the flywheel.  When I glue them on, I use some cardboard spacers to center the ring for the glue job, then remove them when the glue sets.

You apply the glue to the flat surface under the magnet ring, and make SURE the dimples on the ring are on the glue side, the plain side of the magnet ring faces the sensor.

I'm currently using Loctite 380 Black Max for the job, it's never failed me.

I've also used E6000 adhesive, that works fine as well.

@gunrunnerjohn posted:

When you get the fix-it flywheel and are installing the magnet, there's a "trick".  You'll find the lip that the magnet sets over isn't a close fit, there's some "slop" between the ring and the flywheel.  When I glue them on, I use some cardboard spacers to center the ring for the glue job, then remove them when the glue sets.

You apply the glue to the flat surface under the magnet ring, and make SURE the dimples on the ring are on the glue side, the plain side of the magnet ring faces the sensor.

I'm currently using Loctite 380 Black Max for the job, it's never failed me.

I've also used E6000 adhesive, that works fine as well.

I just got e everything I needed. And sure as heck, there is a huge difference in the fix it flywheel circumference where magnet is placed and the original. You also answered my question before asking about glue. Thank you John, you’re a wealth of information. Is there only one set screw with fix it flywheel?

OBX

If there's only one hole, there's only one screw!