bob2 posted:We are pretty sure the 1941 GS-3 never got off the drawing boards, but I built my own just in case.
So what we have is a genuine imitation.
Simon
moderneraSG posted:They were in business from the early 1930s. They sold parts and car kits in O scale and 7/16" scale (for 2-1/8" Standard Gauge track).
Hope this helps with some of the history.
ARNO
I've seen the Lobaugh O scale mentioned frequently over the years, but had no idea they did 7/16" scale. Any pics available of that line? I remember articles on E.L. Moore's erstwhile 3/8" scale layout. (Or was that 7/16" too?)
They did some castings for larger scale - I do not think they did cars or locomotives. As to the correct Lobaugh tender - I have one. I have not seen any other examples, although I have a spare cast underframe for which I made sides and top. The Cab Forward is one of the most rare Lobaugh models - you can probably guess why: the drawings are dated Dec 1941.
As for photos - the new OGR upgrade disabled my ability to post - you will need to look elsewhere for photos of my models. Sure - I know there is a new "attach" button, and folks have been very kind in trying to lead me through step by step. Doesn't work. Don't care any more.
I will try to post some pictures of the cab forward tender I have. I will enlist my guru to help.
Go here, if you would like to see my Cab Forwards and Back Up Malleys. You will find exactly one genuine Lobaugh tender.
The boxey southern pacific lines tender looks exactly like mine, although the pictured tender looks like it might have a back up light. Mine has a small push button type switch on top, and a single ladder loop on the end, but there are solder remain of a second loop. The under casting is a ladder type casting with a rib front to back. I will see if I can put a picture of it on the site.
bob2 posted:Not totally sure, but I believe locomotived before 1937 were produced by others. The Mikado, an SP Mountain, and the 17/64 SP switcher appeared in 1937. Woody Mathews can help with pre- 1937 history.
So did they make you move this out of the 3-rail section? Too bad, because we were just about to introduce those folks to some obscure O Scale history, some of it 3-rail.
You probably already know this but I am a serious Lobaugh collector. I have every single model they produced except the Rock Island Mikado, the Suburban Tank, and possibly a ten-wheeler I know nothing about. We are pretty sure the 1941 GS-3 never got off the drawing boards, but I built my own just in case.
I'm enjoying your posts - please keep posting...
Mtn - sure - but you can actually see my photos and some back-story "elsewhere."
I'm enjoying the history lesson and challenges involved in bringing those ancient beasts back to life. My favorite off the beaten path engines are 2 pair of Deses diecast F units that were made in Mexico briefly in the 50s - it takes some head scratching and mechanical aptitude to keep them running, and this thread is right up my alley.
@bob2 posted:On the Cab Forward - I have two, and have seen maybe four others. I have the only original Lobaugh tender I have ever seen, plus an extra underframe. Jan Lorenzen and I felt that there might be a dozen or so Lobaugh Cab Forwards in existence. The drawings are dated December 7, 1941, and you can bet all production stopped the day afer that.
Since I have so much time on my hands, I've been going back through the 2 rail category, and I hope it's okay to resurrect this old thread.
I was cleaning out my beautiful old Proctor toaster a while back and noticed the stamped build date: December 7, 1941...😳
Mark in Oregon
Okay with me. Since we originally did this, uploading photos has become lots easier, with better results. I note that what few photos we have here now have "Photobucket" plastered scross them. Happy to re-do them or add more.
I also note that TCA-Western has lifted many of my photos from OGR and used them without attribution, often with incorrect data and notes. We are working to correct that - it is at least unethical to use another's work without attribution, and likely a copyright infringement.
While I dislike copying photos over and over again in the same thread, if a modeler wishes to use my photos elsewhere, I will happily give my permission, provided the caption says something like "model and photo by Bob Turner."
Here is a sort-of Lobaugh - all parts are genuine Lobaugh, but the model is an AC-6, something Lobaugh never marketed. All you need are spoked drivers and the tender off of a prewar Mountain:
I don't think you can see it, but I have re-done the tail beam and pilot beam in heavy brass to more closely follow SP erection drawings (which I have in my "Church" books). The tender shown is not Lobaugh, but rather an Adams casting set with my wrapper soldered on - I do have genuine 100% Lobaugh tenders, and this one should get one of those. As I keep saying, "someday."
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So Strummer, I had some time on my hands too. After reading through this thread I thought I'd add a postscript to one of the discussions back in 2015. Rule292 asked about the suburban engine. Below is the blueprint for the superstructure and a copy of the CNJ plans from MR way back when - the Lobaugh engine (the blueprint date is 1959) does look to be generic.
Lobaugh Superstructure
MR CNJ Plans
Lobaugh Frame
The rear truck matches the look of the CNJ drawing but the superstructure plans are different from the CNJ - as for the NYC - I don't know.
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It was freelance. Pacific frame, but smaller drivers. Cab Forward trailing truck. I think they used the 4-4-0 boiler, but not sure. The Mongrel Mogul and a rumored ten-wheeler were more of the same. Rollin was long out of there at that point.
Thank you Bob " Mister Lobaugh" 2.😁
Seriously, it's great this Forum has such knowledgeable people like yourself to help us understand earlier O scale. 👍
Mark in Oregon
@Strummer posted:I was cleaning out my beautiful old Proctor toaster a while back and noticed the stamped build date: December 7, 1941...😳
Mark in Oregon
...Which is really interesting since that was a Sunday, hardly thought of as a work day for small appliance manufacturing...or anything else back then!!
I wonder if the actual build date of the appliance might have been in the immediate following week...taking to heart FDR's address to Congress regarding that "Day of Infamy"...a Proctor/employee's way of remembering.
KD
The idea of no work on Sunday in the pre WWII period is interesting and I'm sure there were places where that was true however the 40 hour work week with Saturday and Sunday off is more of a post WWII condition than pre WWII.
I do know when my Grandfather worked for the railroad it was all day Saturday with a half-day Sunday. At some point before the war it became half-day Saturday with Sunday off but he was working for a big railroad and he had a union. Other could have easily had Sunday work hours - for example over on the first page of this thread bob2 noted "On the Cab Forward - I have two, and have seen maybe four others. I have the only original Lobaugh tender I have ever seen, plus an extra underframe. Jan Lorenzen and I felt that there might be a dozen or so Lobaugh Cab Forwards in existence. The drawings are dated December 7, 1941, and you can bet all production stopped the day afer that."
So if they were working on drawings on December 7,1941 at Lobaugh it is probably reasonable to assume work was ongoing elsewhere on that Sunday.
1959 is late ...unknown who was running Lobaugh at that time Al Ellis left by 1958
John Campbell had Lobaugh in LA in the late ? 60's +-
Cheers Carey
Carey,
I think it was Jack. Gotta keep ya honest bud! By the way, dropping off the master at the foundry in about an hour.
Jay
@Robert S. Butler posted:The idea of no work on Sunday in the pre WWII period is interesting and I'm sure there were places where that was true however the 40 hour work week with Saturday and Sunday off is more of a post WWII condition than pre WWII.
I do know when my Grandfather worked for the railroad it was all day Saturday with a half-day Sunday.
It's quite possible, that's true.
However, Henry Ford put his workers onto a 40-hour week in 1914, creating the "weekend", after understanding the human benefits of reducing the work week from a more common 48-hour stretch. Other working conditions, including job time expectations, led to the famous General Motors sit down strike of 1937.
Working conditions overall in the first third of the 20th century demanded some sort of standards, for which FDR stepped up passing the original Fair Labor Standards Act in 1938. The 40-hour work week was part of that statute. However, certain labor categories, including the railroads, had caveats and concessions due to the unique skills and nature of their industry. And, of course, that original 1938 statute has been revised and 'massaged' in the years since...even into this century.
The 3 short years between enactment of the FLSA and Dec. 7, 1941 with regard to the adoption and roll-out of a standard 40-hour work week throughout all industry/business probably were less memorable to the more demanding wartime expectations, which kept virtually all industry working 24/7 for any able-bodied individual.
It'll probably change again someday...soon.
I mentioned the TCA Western Lobaugh writeup a bunch of posts ago (maybe eight?). We have finally reached a resolution - they will remove my photos next week.
I gave them the option of retaining my photos with a credit (photo and model by Bob Turner). They have told me it is easier to remove my photos and insert photos of the same models done by others, and that they will proceed that way.
Took us almost a year to reach this accord. Those of you with Lobaugh photos and no desire for attribution might send a few photos to them. They may also need photos of Scale Craft, Walthers, Alexander, and Icken (I bet they never find another Icken O1 photo, unless it is the catalog photo).
