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How does the ACL 501 rate on the diesels that ran the most miles in their lifetime of use?

 

Atlantic Coast Line #501: This locomotive was built by the Electro-Motive Division of General Motors in November 1939. Beginning in the late 1930s, EMD developed a passenger diesel locomotive known as the E series. This E3 was one of the first high production models. The ACL ordered two, numbered 500 and 501, for service on The Champion between New York City and Miami, Florida. Each locomotive produces 2,000 horsepower from two 567-A 12-cylinder prime movers. The ACL chose purple and silver to decorate these locomotives, partly due to the long-time use of purple on ACL timetables. The 501 remained in service until 1970, operating over 6 million miles. This distinction made the 501 the most traveled E unit in US history!


Longest service miles for a E unit. What was longer?

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At the time of the transfer to CSXT in Chicago, for transit to their Waycross, Ga shops and subsequent move to Spencer, NC, the 501 had accumulated OVER 6,250,000 MILES! Still in operating condition, as of 1999!

 

With all but some thousands of those 6 1/4 million miles accumulated over about 30 years of active passenger service that averages out to just over 200,000 miles per year.  That is excellent, although not unusual, utilization for a passenger diesel of the era.  That length of service at such a level of utilization is highly impressive.

 

As a point of comparison, many of the GG-1s built around the same time accumulated about a million fewer miles even though many of them saw 5 or 10 years more service.

 

Mark

 

It may have taken a two or three unit diesel locomotive to replace a modern steam locomotive (and a K-4 is arguably modern) but the diesel's higher availability and utilization more than evened out the playing field. 

 

The contrast in accumulated mileages also points out another way in which the Pennsylvania paid a very high price to keep all those K-4s around way too long.  When the K-4s weren't racking up revenue miles someone was likely being paid to service or repair them.

 

Even railroads that were not particularly noted for high speed running like the B&O and NP were able to rack up impressive annual mileage totals with well designed operating plans for their passenger diesels.  It would be neat to see the SAL plan for passenger diesel utilization.  To top 200,000 miles a year takes about 16 hours on the road averaging 35 MPH every day of the year.

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Originally Posted by Ted Hikel:

 It would be neat to see the SAL plan for passenger diesel utilization.  To top 200,000 miles a year takes about 16 hours on the road averaging 35 MPH every day of the year.

Don't know that the Seaboard Ail Line RR (SAL) had much of a plan for operating the Atlantic Coast Line (ACL) passenger trains. 

 

What with the high speeds the ACL operated their passenger trains, long before the requirements for cab signal or automat train stop features, it wasn't unusual for their passenger E units to accrue 20,000 miles PER MONTH. In fact, if my memory is correct, the ACL 501 has a 52:25 gear ratio which is good for OVER 100 MPH! 

Wonder how many miles CB&Q E5 "Silver Pilot" #9911 accumulated? Built EMD, 1940. BTW, next weekend (Sept 22nd-23rd), #9911 and the exquisite articulated Nebraska Zephyr set will depart the Illinois Railway Museum in Union and will be plying home trackage, running from Chicago Union Station-Galesburg-Quincy. If you are particularly alert, you might see the train going down the Belvidere Sub/UP-C&NW on Friday. I was advised, she is going to highball out on the high iron!

Originally Posted by Hot Water:
Originally Posted by Ted Hikel:

 

 

What with the high speeds the ACL operated their passenger trains, long before the requirements for cab signal or automat train stop features, it wasn't unusual for their passenger E units to accrue 20,000 miles PER MONTH. In fact, if my memory is correct, the ACL 501 has a 52:25 gear ratio which is good for OVER 100 MPH! 

When N&W leased ACL and RF&P passenger diesels to help retire the Js, a Norfolk Division Assistant Road Foreman decided to find out where the overspeed trip on the ACLs was set.

 

He found out.

 

117 MPH.

 

EdKing

Burlington E5's/7'/8's and 9's were geared either for 52:25 (117 mph) or 57:20 (85 mph). Presume the different gear ratios reflected long distance, high speed Zephyr sevice vs. rapid acceleration commutation service. I believe it was pretty common for the E's to work at around 105 mph along the MS River and would not be surprised if long stretches in IA and NB weren't traversed at the same high speed, although perhaps signaling did not permit. I can attest to being scared witless while hanging out a 1/2 dutch door, drinking up the steady 90 mph roar (not unlike a dragster at full throttle) of northbound CB&Q 4-8-4 #5632 along the MS River, meeting a southbound Twin Cities Zephyr. You bet we jumped back!  (combined speed something like 200 mph!)  And bet those Q E's piled on the miles!

N&W's class J 4-8-4s racked up 15,000 miles per month, which doesn't seem outstanding until you consider that the longest run available was 676 miles (Norfolk-Cincinnati) and the engines had to protect six daily schedules of the Southern Railway trains between Monroe and Bristol, Va., which was only 209 miles.

 

Both of these runs involved quite a bit of mountain running with steep grades and sharp curves which limited overall speed.

 

Most if not all the diesel runs noted here were at least 1000 miles, many lots more than that.  The ACL diesels didn't have to cope with anything except flatland running with few slow ordered curves; CB&Q was pretty much the same. 

 

So one wonders how the apples would fare competing with the oranges . . .

 

EdKing

Ed

 

This apples, oranges and bananas business can be fun. It seems that the N&W had a fairly unique situation with superpower steam, an intensive utilization plan and a passenger schedule that included modern, roller bearing equipped, lightweight, streamlined trains.

 

What kind of total accumulated mileage did the J's amass before they were retired?

 

Only a few operations had similar conditions with steam locomotives as power for any significant length of time.  The fast Chicago-Twin cities trains of the Milwaukee would fit and the C&NW might too.  But the CB&Q went diesel early for that service.  The SP daylights would fit the bill as well as the NYC Hudsons and Niagaras in their various services.

 

 

Perhaps a UP, SP or ATSF fan could chime in with accumulated mileage or utilization plan information from those roads.

 

For the northern transcontinentals their aren't any close comparisons to the N&W that I can think of in the steam era.

 

The Milwaukee electrified the mountain crossings starting in 1915.  That made intensive steam locomotive utilization difficult on the gap between Othello, Wa and Avery Id.  There were very few super power steam locomotives ever assigned to the gap and the S-3 Northerns only saw freight or secondary passenger service during the Korean war.  When the lightweight, streamlined Olympian Hiawatha came along on a fast schedule in 1947 it was dieselized.

 

The Great Northern never purchased a new passenger locomotive that would qualify as Super Power.  Their only modern passenger power, the 28 P-2 Mountains, the 6 S-1 Northerns and 14 S-2 Northerns were all built between 1923 and 1930 with plain bearings.  To get an idea of how different the railroad world was in the "standard" era of the 1920's when the P-2s were delivered they were given to assigned crews.  That limited the locomotives to about 4800 miles per month.  But even in the 1920s there were events that pointed to what was possible.  In 1925 GN 2517, one of the P-2 Mountains, hauled an 18 car silk train from Seattle to St. Paul without change in 52 hours and 35 minutes.  After servicing in St. Paul it returned to Seattle on the Fast Mail with a scheduled time of 47 hours and 30 minutes.  In recognition of its nearly 4000 miles of running in six days the 2517 received the title Marathon and her tender was so painted for many years.

 

Some of the P-2s and all of the Northerns received roller bearings in the mid 1940s.  But by then the E7s were already on the scene and taking over part of the Empire Builder and Fast Mail schedules.  When the streamlined '47 Empire Builder went into service on a faster schedule it was fully dieselized.  Steam continued with the old heavy weight equipment as the resurrected Oriental Limited for a few years but by 1950 all regularly scheduled mainline passenger trains were assigned to diesels.

 

The NP was more progressive in its steam locomotive purchases.  Of the six classes of NP Northerns only the 12 pioneer A class locomotives of 1926 did not have roller bearings.  However, the Timken locomotive spent much of its career in a locomotive pool with the As and may have been utilized less intensively than it could have been if it was part pool of more modern locomotives.  Early in it's career the Timken worked passenger trains on the Rocky mountain division.  For the latter half of its life the Timken locomotive worked out of Seattle over Stampede Pass and on passenger and fast freight service to Portland.  Seattle-Portland is a shorter run than Monroe to Bristol.  If I recall correctly the Timken locomotive accumulated about 1.5 million miles by the time it was retired. 

 

The A-2 through A-5 classes were all of the same basic design and very modern engines.  The A-5s were second in weight among all Northerns due to war time material restrictions.  Only the Santa Fe 2900s were heavier.  But the same WPB restrictions that added to the A-5 weight also kept them in fast freight service on the eastern end of the system.  The A-2s also saw considerable freight service during the war.  I have never seen a total mileage figure published on the A-3s or A-4s.  It might not be too impressive since they were not yet 10 years old when diesels began to arrive.  Once that happened steam assignments were made to maximize diesel utilization.  In fact the last regular steam passenger service on the NP lasted until 1956 specifically to avoid a diesel layover.

 

In 1957 the NP implemented a passenger diesel utilization plan that remains a remarkable achievement in efficiency.  The locomotives covered over 9000 miles in 15 days or over 18000 miles per month.  To do that they made two St. Paul to Seattle round trips, one Seattle to Spokane round trip, two Seattle to Portland round trips in passenger service and one Seattle to Portland round trip on a time freight.  In 15 days the locomotives would cross Mullan Pass twice, Homestake Pass Twice, Bozeman Pass and Evaro Hill four times and Stampede Pass six times.  They would also encounter significant curvature along all those mountain routes as well as along the Green, Yakima, Clark Fork and Yellowstone Rivers and the sawtooth 1% between Glendive and Mandan.  While several of the NPs passenger F3s went to GE as trade ins in the 60s a few actually made it into Amtrak service in the early 70s.  Those would have accumulated impressive total mileages under very challenging conditions.

 

Fix up that J and send her out here.  If we can have a Montana Daylight why not a North Coast-Powhatan Arrow?  And then we could see what a J could do in real mountains and not just those little hills back east. 

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