Yes it is interesting what you see in the Herron footage...
Now that we have really hi-jacked Chris' thread, you are wasting your time looking for any footage of pushers west of Roanoke searching through Herron's "Pocahontas Glory" series. You'll need to go to Mainline Motion Pictures "Norfolk & Western Steam in the 1950's" Vol.1.
UNREAL work from top to bottom.
For some reason, I'm partial to his Slide Fences!
Not knowing about the yellow flag rules, our Pocahontas Glory videos are composed of vintage films shot by a wide variety of photographers many years ago. So, we are limited by what they shot on the days they were there. Not just our videos, but all produced by others. We've been lucky, I think, to have so much coverage of N&W in the '50's. The scenes on Blue Ridge (Volumes 4, 6, 7 do show the yellow flags on those pushers. Also, they are seen in "Pillars of Smoke in the Sky" which is entirely on the coal trains over Blue Ridge. An 8th volume will be coming out in the fall (I hope).
-Jim Herron
Chris, its always a pleasure to watch your railroad run. Beautiful!
Originally Posted by PanAmerican99:
Not knowing about the yellow flag rules, our Pocahontas Glory videos are composed of vintage films shot by a wide variety of photographers many years ago. So, we are limited by what they shot on the days they were there. Not just our videos, but all produced by others. We've been lucky, I think, to have so much coverage of N&W in the '50's. The scenes on Blue Ridge (Volumes 4, 6, 7 do show the yellow flags on those pushers. Also, they are seen in "Pillars of Smoke in the Sky" which is entirely on the coal trains over Blue Ridge. An 8th volume will be coming out in the fall (I hope).
-Jim Herron
Jim,
My apologies to you if my previous post tends to read negatively to your videos. I assure you that was not my intent. I definitely could have worded that in a better way and for that I am sorry.
My intent was to save people a lot of time when looking for some very specific (two yellow flags) information.
Those of us who are N&W fans are grateful for all of the N&W footage that you have produced. The entire "Pocahontas Glory" series is extremely important to the serious N&W modeler/historian!
I think most people will understand that you can only produce what someone has sent to you. Just because there was no footage of the rear of pushers west of Christiansburg only means that it wasn't available to you at the time.
The same thing could be said for the lack of footage on my very favorite part of the Shenandoah Div. between Roanoke and Shenandoah. If nobody shot it or someone did and didn't make it available, you can't publish it. It is my personal request that if you have since come across with any such footage, please include it in a video.
Sorry if I got everyone's dander up. My last N&W video experience was a marathon event in which all available N&W video was being shown. Herron had the largest amount at the show, so shame on me, when the two flag thingie shows up somewhere else ! Got confused in the shower of cinders and hooter whistles !
Originally Posted by Big Jim:
My intent was to save people a lot of time when looking for some very specific (two yellow flags) information.
Those of us who are N&W fans are grateful for all of the N&W footage that you have produced. The entire "Pocahontas Glory" series is extremely important to the serious N&W modeler/historian!
Without question, the footage is extremely important and we are indeed very fortunate to have it.
I think most people will understand that you can only produce what someone has sent to you. Just because there was no footage of the rear of pushers west of Christiansburg only means that it wasn't available to you at the time.
Exactly
The same thing could be said for the lack of footage on my very favorite part of the Shenandoah Div. between Roanoke and Shenandoah. If nobody shot it or someone did and didn't make it available, you can't publish it. It is my personal request that if you have since come across with any such footage, please include it in a video.
Definitely, that would be a huge addition to the fine series of DVD's.
Big Jim, No apologies needed. Hopefully, we'll find footage showing pushers west of Roanoke. You just never know what might turn up.
I agree on the lower end of the Shenandoah Line and would love to find some. Actually, I was amazed when the upper part of that line was covered so well by Harry Dodge and Bob Flack which is in Volume 3. They were very talented cameramen.
It's funny how well covered N&W was compared to C&O. There just doesn't seem to be much available on the C&O, perhaps due to their dieselization a couple of years ahead of N&W.
I really appreciate all the comments and am glad that you all like the videos.
-JH
It seems as though a great deal of footage was captured towards the end, which makes sense as so many were flocking to the last hold outs....and thankfully the N&W was covered so well.
Even though steam disappeared only a couple years earlier on the C&O, I suspect that it was the reliability of finding live steam on N&W, and knowing where it could be found....that was the factor in the abundance of N&W footage. Neither road was blessed with "high density population" to generate a lot of film. Think about it, in the early '50s, N&W was just another Pocahontas coal road. Thanks to all those fans with movie cameras, and people like Link, a rather unique level of documentation was developed at the end. Thanks to all those who were there...and those who keep this material alive in reproduction for all of us to enjoy. There were just a few folks back in the day who knew what a gem the N&W was; today it's a wee bit different !
Correct, neither was densely populated, yet the N&W appears to have been filmed more...maybe not but that sure seems to be the case. I would think because they held out, and were still running BIG steam till the end. The N&W was indeed a gem and is today...maybe even more so.
I agree with the comments above about the Herron videos and appreciate all that we have.
Also, I did get a chance to look at the Mainline Motion video with trains with 2 flags on the pushers in a variety of ways. Pretty cool. I'm glad I did not recognize that in those videos before I made my video or I'd have probably put the 2 flags on the end of my train.
Christopher,
My apologies for just now discovering this thread. Your scenery is absolutely and stunningly beautiful!
Malcolm
Another factor worth mentioning as to N&W's prominence in film, both still and movies, and that is the N&W themselves. During the "Race Horse era" which ended in April of '58, there was a LOT of cooperation with the fanbase with regards to obtaining all manners of documentation of the railroad. You can thank many levels of N&W management for opening the doors to make the road available and accessible. The same level of historical awareness was seen only on the UP in that time frame.
Thanks to Robert Smith, Clarence Pond, Hobart Scott, Ben Delaney, and others...we have the N&W legend as it's known today.
An excellent point jaygee. The cooperation by the N&W to accommodate rail fans is second to none...well ok as you said the UP as well, but I'm biased towards the N&W..
Malcolm,
Thanks much. No sweat about missing the thread.
Just getting on the OGR as well and see this thread Chris. Really amazing....those steamers are truly marvels of O scale engineering. It really is like one of those Herron vids in 1/48 scale. All of the colors are right as well......really inspirational! 
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Outstanding.
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Christopher,
My apologies for just now discovering this thread. Your scenery is absolutely and stunningly beautiful!
Malcolm"
Yeah me too!
I missed this one, out on vacation. Thanks for keeping it alive for me to see too. I look forward to any posts. I look up to the guy. Not many younger modelers left who stick to their guns these days.
Me, I'll just run anything that's on the rails. Matt, he's my bad influence (just kidding Matt!). At least he has his favorite roads.
