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To be ready to order a new Vision GG1 if I decide that I can afford it with all  the other items that have been rumored to be in the new Lionel catalog are reveled tomorrow. I thought I would ask today and maybe somebody else might find the provided information handy. I am not a Pennsylvania guy, but I do like a few items that they ran. I do have a scale Lionel Green 5 stripe #4876.

Question: To run a proper 1952 Congressional I would assume I would need to buy a Tuscan painted GG1, like number 4913? I read that the only Tuscan-5 stripe painted GG1's of 1952 were 4908-4913. Later four more (I don't know what date) numbers were painted Tuscan as well 4856, 4857, 4876, and 4829.

Question: Would a Green 5 stripe, like 4876 been found behind the 1952 Congressional at random times or would only a Tuscan unit been used to pull the 1952 Congressional?

In 1955 when all GG1 liveries were restyled, all of the GG1's were painted Brunswick Green, except 5 units. Numbers 4907 & 4916 painted Tuscan and 4866, 4872 and 4880 painted silver with red stripe.

Question: In 1955 did the repainted Brunswick Green and Tuscan units all have a single strip? And is so, about how long did it take to paint all the Brunswick Green units into a single stripe?

Question: Would a Green 5 stripe, like 4876 been found behind the 1955 Congressional at random times or would only a Tuscan unit or Silver painted unit been used to pull the 1955 Congressional and beyond?

Thanks for the help.

Joe

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The new trains operated staring in March of 1952. At the start the train appearance would be paramount so the railroad would be sure to schedule e a tuscan 5 striper to handle these trains. The 6 tuscan engines should have been enough to cover the schedule of the two Congressionals and the Senator. Its likely that there may have been times that it was necessary to send out a tuscan engine on another train because of equipment failures  which could have created a situation when only a green 5 striper was available . So it is possible that 4876 could have had a shot at power on these trains in 1952. We know that 4876 wrecked in DC in Jamuary 1953. When it was rebuilt, it came back as a tuscan 5 striper. It probably handled the Congressionals and Senator then but as a Tuscan engine.

I wonder just how picky the PRR was with color coordinated operations, outside of photo ops.   Rail fan documentation seems to indicate no set of rules for GG1's.  Even the transition from 5 stripes to 1 took a number of years to fully complete.  Pertaining to 4876, if what LIRR Steamer says is correct, I assume it was a green 5 striper when wrecked in '53.  If so, then 4876 went through 4 livery changes within 10 years, as photos clearly show it as a glossy green single stripe engine by 1961.  About the only certainty I've learned about GG1's is that the first 57 of them were eventually re-geared for freight duty.

Bruce

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