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I just replaced an original (and very broken) heating coil on my postwar 2025 with a liquid upgrade kit - big thanks to Jeff from Train Tender for guidance and parts - and patience in answering a bunch of questions from a rookie.

While I had it apart, I smoothed the piston and added a spring and after rewiring, all worked great - first time it’s smoked in my lifetime! I also cleaned up the motor contacts, brushes, serviced the wheels, etc.  

One of the attached videos (bench test) shows smoke performance BEFORE I screwed everything back together - outstanding smoke….

After a couple days of not using the train, I fired it up and it didn’t smoke - but I also noticed that the train all the sudden wouldn't change directions (E Unit had been working flawlessly til then). The light was still working however, so that seemed to rule out a current issue to the E unit.

I gently tapped the train thinking the E unit got stuck, and it started changing directions again… and smoking. But the smoke was minimal compared to just a few days ago, and it only smokes for a revolution or two around the Christmas tree.

I tested the piston and it’s working freely. I also added 4 drops of Mega Steam. It smokes, but not nearly the volume as the other day, and dissipates very quickly.

the other video (“Degraded” in the title) shows its performance now - way less smoke. The smoke almost seems “heavy”.  

I looked inside the smokestack and noticed the wick looks “charred”, as does some of the batting under it. I have not run the train “dry” as far as smoke fluid. AFTER photo attached of the blackened wick.

I’m running this on a basic track around a Christmas tree, off a ZW transformer on Fastrack. Train runs great otherwise, as do the limited number of accessories which I’m running on a separate channel off the ZW so I can apply dedicated power.

Could a short have potentially caused the smoke resistor to literally burn out and become less effective in only five days time?

is this “charring” normal/expected?

I am perplexed since this smoked beautifully just a few days ago!

I appreciate your collective insights!

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Last edited by chadmich
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I'm not a fan of the liquid "upgrades" - they are unnecessary as the original style units can accept pellets OR liquid and can be run dry without issue. Anyways, to get to your question on a short hurting the smoke unit, probably not as it is in of it self a direct short already - there isn't a practical way to "short it out more".

Some charring is normal and expected. Both videos look "normal" to me, just a different voltage or load setting or some other environmental factor (furnace vent near by?).

Last edited by bmoran4

The amount of smoke the locomotive is going to make is directly affected by the amount of voltage applied to the train to make it move. The more cars you pull, the more smoke it’s going to make. Your test in neutral with the throttle cranked up is not indicative of what the train does when moving. How many cars do you pull around the tree?…if you have a gondola handy, a simple test is to stick a bunch of weight in the gondola and see if smoke improves as if you were pulling a longer train,……obviously pulling 3-4 cars around a loop isn’t going to yield a lot of smoke because the voltage is so low,….

Pat

@harmonyards posted:

The amount of smoke the locomotive is going to make is directly affected by the amount of voltage applied to the train to make it move. The more cars you pull, the more smoke it’s going to make. Your test in neutral with the throttle cranked up is not indicative of what the train does when moving. How many cars do you pull around the tree?…if you have a gondola handy, a simple test is to stick a bunch of weight in the gondola and see if smoke improves as if you were pulling a longer train,……obviously pulling 3-4 cars around a loop isn’t going to yield a lot of smoke because the voltage is so low,….

Pat

Thank you Pat. All good points. I only pull 5-6 cars, and when it was running at about 14V of track power, it smoke really well - not far from the static bench test. I did test with 9 additional cars to get Voltage higher and it was still smoking like a champ. Same test now yields far less smoke.

@bmoran4 posted:

I'm not a fan of the liquid "upgrades" - they are unnecessary as the original style units can accept pellets OR liquid and can be run dry without issue. Anyways, to get to your question on a short hurting the smoke unit, probably not as it is in of it self a direct short already - there isn't a practical way to "short it out more".

Some charring is normal and expected. Both videos look "normal" to me, just a different voltage or load setting or some other environmental factor (furnace vent near by?).

Thank you! I was on the fence between liquid upgrade and just replacing the heating coil and keeping it closer to original.

If this performance keeps up, I have no hesitation to buy a new coil, as long as it will accept liquid per your insights.

Crazy how fast people reply on this forum - what a great asset for all us newbies!

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