Steamer posted:

some of the houses close where damaged as well. Sad to see more of the mill come down. I haven't heard anything planned asd yet to take it's place, but I hope it's something good and not another dollar store.

God, I hope you're right.  Weirton needs a real industry.  The slow, prolonged death of the mill and the coming of gambling has transformed Weirton from a place that made things to just another sleepy, drab WV town.  It might as be down state in some holler.

George

TCA, NMRA, PRRT&HS Modeling the PRR Panhandle Division between 1948-1957.

We can only hope for the best. It's always very sad to return home and not see the things I saw growing up, including that great mill. As my childhood pastor said about Steubenville, it's the "City of Murals and Parking Lots" now. That statement unfortunately has some truth for that whole area now.  Unfortunately the murals aren't even making a statement now. I guess this is how small towns become ghost towns. 

My great aunt lived in a home right across from the view of this demolition, in Weirton. When visiting her I would always just sit outside on her enclosed porch and listen to the sounds of the mill and watch trains. 

Dave

Dave,

My grandparents lived on a street (it was removed when the mill was built in 1967) that the mill fell toward when it was brought down.  Our backyard had a chain link fence and a view of the warehouse (8" shell casing mill) that preceded the "Mill of the Future".   From the top of the neighborhood you could see the stacks of the Open Hearth belching their different colored smoke.

George

 

TCA, NMRA, PRRT&HS Modeling the PRR Panhandle Division between 1948-1957.

luvindemtrains posted:

This is a picture of the bridge in 1917. Not the best view but you can see how it was when it was first built. 

Dave

PRR PANHANDLE BRIDGE

Hi Dave,

Good to hear from you.  Thank you, I have never seen that photo before.  However, it is a photo of the 2nd bridge on the site.  Here's another photo of the 2nd bridge under construction (roughly 1880).

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And finally, here are all 3 bridges.

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George

TCA, NMRA, PRRT&HS Modeling the PRR Panhandle Division between 1948-1957.

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George,  If they demo just a few more buildings of Weirton Steel & some more homes in downtown Steubenville, they'll be able to fight over who can land jets first in their town.     I drove past the BOP remains the other day. It was sad. Worked there  summer of 69.   Ever wonder what's underneath that surface soil - just sayin.

Super O hhhh that looks nice

TomSuperO posted:

George,  If they demo just a few more buildings of Weirton Steel & some more homes in downtown Steubenville, they'll be able to fight over who can land jets first in their town.     I drove past the BOP remains the other day. It was sad. Worked there  summer of 69.   Ever wonder what's underneath that surface soil - just sayin.

Yeah, Weirton is reverting to the orchard that was originally there.

But you're right, God knows what's buried in the soil under those mills.  I sure wouldn't want to find out first hand.

George

TCA, NMRA, PRRT&HS Modeling the PRR Panhandle Division between 1948-1957.

Steamer posted:

and now they are tearing more of the Wheeling Pitt buildings down now. In a year or two you'll never be able to tell what a major area this was in steel making.

Unfortunately Dave, you are correct.  You have only to look at the former site of J&L Steel along the Mon in Pittsburgh to see that.  For the longest time, it was just a field.  Now there are a few buildings on the site, but except for a few bridges you can't tell steel was ever made there.

George

TCA, NMRA, PRRT&HS Modeling the PRR Panhandle Division between 1948-1957.

Updated 3/14/2019:

The test pour(s) of Crystal Sheen are on hold while I consider my options.  In reading the Crystal Sheen directions, I learned that the room must be at 70 F for 3 days for the stuff to harden.     The basement is (at the moment) around 62 F and gets colder during the night (our programmable thermostat lowers the house temperature while we are in bed).  I am not comfortable with letting a space heater operate (mostly unsupervised) for 3 days.

I am re-thinking my approach.  Woodland Scenics Deep Pour material has a 24 hour cure time.

More when I know it.  

George

TCA, NMRA, PRRT&HS Modeling the PRR Panhandle Division between 1948-1957.

Updated 3/29/2019:

There have been some new developments since I last posted here.

  1. A test pour of Woodland Scenics Deep Pour - Murky product has been made.  It was successful and looks great.  Further tests are in progress with coloration and other variables.
  2. I modified the terrain around the lower end of Steubenville (Water Street) to remove more of the tunnel and model the area more prototypically.  Ramshackle houses near the tracks, junk, and appropriate citizens will decorate the area.
  3. I have decided to put some thin flats of houses near the mill in Weirton.  I hope to model the backyard of my grandparents' house as it looked in the 1950s.  The houses (flats) will have foreshortened backyards and be separated from the mill by a chain link fence - just as I remember it.

 

More when I know it.  

George

TCA, NMRA, PRRT&HS Modeling the PRR Panhandle Division between 1948-1957.

That is so smart to try your Woodland Scenics pour and coloring in a test place before doing it on the layout.  I see as you think on it, you come up with ideas to make the areas look more like you remember them.  Your grandparent's back yard and the houses will be a great project!

Mark Boyce posted:

That is so smart to try your Woodland Scenics pour and coloring in a test place before doing it on the layout.  I see as you think on it, you come up with ideas to make the areas look more like you remember them.  Your grandparent's back yard and the houses will be a great project!

Thanks Mark.  Some areas of the layout get more of my immediate attention and then as time goes by, ideas for the rest sort of "percolate". 

It's funny how some memories (from 60+ years ago) just pop into my head unbidden.

George

TCA, NMRA, PRRT&HS Modeling the PRR Panhandle Division between 1948-1957.

Updated 4/3/2019:

Today I needed to be in Weirton for a BOD meeting for the museum. I took the occasion to photograph what was left of the BOP and parts of the Steubenville waterline.

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This hillside just below the road (Weir Avenue) was where my grandparents' 2 story frame house stood (the man who built the large ship models). His backyard ended in a chain-link fence. Beyond the fence was Warehouse No. 2. During the war, that building made 8" naval shell casings.

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This photo is of the Market Street bridge and the Ohio River. Water Street (the site of Steubenville's red-light district) is to the right (inland) side of the large brick-faced bridge pier.

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In the 1950's, Steubenville was a bustling center of commerce and industry.

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Here's that same view 60 years later. Times have changed and not for the better.

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As I took the photo above, I heard a train's horn. That was repeated several time. I waited and was rewarded with this photo.

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The train was on the Panhandle tracks so it could only be headed for 1 place - across the bridge. I raced ahead of it and got onto Ohio Route 7 headed north. Traffic slowed me up a bit, but I managed to get this shot.

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More when I know it.  

George

TCA, NMRA, PRRT&HS Modeling the PRR Panhandle Division between 1948-1957.

They are supposed to be cleaning the old mill sites for redevelopment. They are supposed to be tearing down the Yorkville buildings next IIRC.

I remember Steubenville like this in the late '60s. Mom hadn't gotten her license yet, so we took the bus from Toronto and went shopping at The Hub. There was so much car and pedestrian traffic, they had bells on the stop lights that would stop all cars at once, then the people could cross the street. It's going slowly, but there are more stores opening up downtown. It won't ever be like that picture, but much better than it has been in years.

 

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Dave

 

 

 

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Updated 4/4/2019:

I've been thinking about some changes to the look of the Steubenville side of the layout.

Below is the northern half of Steubenville.  Changes here I am considering are:

  1. To the left of the PRR station I am thinking of installing a Wye with the right-most track passing into a tunnel.  This would be a dummy, signifying the westward aspect of the Panhandle.
  2. I have also shrunk the 4th, 5th, and 6th street blocks a bit.
  3. At the left-most bottom of the figure, I have started curving the Panhandle towards the east a bit sooner than before.
  4. I am also thinking about doing something with the area to the east of the PRR station (maybe adding a short freight yard or passenger siding.

Steubenville-North

Below is the southern half of Steubenville.  Changes under consideration here are:

  1. I am modeling the ground more prototypically.  I have cut back the tunnel to the left edge of the layout.  The ground will slope down towards Water Street, which will be at its correct lower level.
  2. The edge of the layout below Water Street will be (implied) the Ohio River.  The fascia will be a bit lower and represent the shoreline.  Drainage ditches and shoreline will be modeled.
  3. I will model part of the Market Street bridge at it passes above Water Street.
  4. Water Street will have its houses of ill repute back up into the hillside below 4th Street.
  5. Buildings serving as view blocks will be necessary at both ends of 5th Street and 6th Street.

Steubenville-South

More when I know it.  

George

TCA, NMRA, PRRT&HS Modeling the PRR Panhandle Division between 1948-1957.

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Hey George,  I do believe that my ex wifes brother (who is a train guy & lives in CO) modeled the Steubenville train station.  Think he had prints, photos, details, all kinds of stuff about that station.  If you would like, I can hook you up with him.

Tom 

Super O hhhh that looks nice

G3750 posted:

Updated 4/3/2019:

Today I needed to be in Weirton for a BOD meeting for the museum. I took the occasion to photograph what was left of the BOP and parts of the Steubenville waterline.

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This hillside just below the road (Weir Avenue) was where my grandparents' 2 story frame house stood (the man who built the large ship models). His backyard ended in a chain-link fence. Beyond the fence was Warehouse No. 2. During the war, that building made 8" naval shell casings.

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This photo is of the Market Street bridge and the Ohio River. Water Street (the site of Steubenville's red-light district) is to the right (inland) side of the large brick-faced bridge pier.

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In the 1950's, Steubenville was a bustling center of commerce and industry.

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Here's that same view 60 years later. Times have changed and not for the better.

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As I took the photo above, I heard a train's horn. That was repeated several time. I waited and was rewarded with this photo.

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The train was on the Panhandle tracks so it could only be headed for 1 place - across the bridge. I raced ahead of it and got onto Ohio Route 7 headed north. Traffic slowed me up a bit, but I managed to get this shot.

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More when I know it.  

George

If you look way to the left in the 6th picture, the market street bridge spanning the river, you will see a little red church. I grew up in that congregation. A lot of great memories and unfortunately we had to sell the church right when I was entering college. Hey but at least it still stands and another congregation is using it every Sunday.

Dave

TomSuperO posted:

Hey George,  I do believe that my ex wifes brother (who is a train guy & lives in CO) modeled the Steubenville train station.  Think he had prints, photos, details, all kinds of stuff about that station.  If you would like, I can hook you up with him.

Tom 

Tom,

I would be very interested in seeing that material.

Thank you!

George

TCA, NMRA, PRRT&HS Modeling the PRR Panhandle Division between 1948-1957.

Updated 4/29/2019:

I recently received my traffic lights for the corners of Market & 5th Street and Market & 6th Street in Steubenville.  I got them from Greg Leonard.  I don't believe his website is back up, but you can contact him at gacji@zoominternet.net.  

I highly recommend him.  I have 4 of his traffic lights now.

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George

TCA, NMRA, PRRT&HS Modeling the PRR Panhandle Division between 1948-1957.

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Steamer posted:

the ones I remember had a sign (might have been lighted) under the bottom of the light saying something about pedestrians? Hafta look at my Steubenville book and see if it shows them.

I think you’re right, Dave.  I also seem to remember an audible warning as well.

 

George

TCA, NMRA, PRRT&HS Modeling the PRR Panhandle Division between 1948-1957.

Steamer posted:

IIRC....the traffic light would stop all four directions of traffic...then a bell would sound allowing the pedestrians to cross...then the bell would sound again telling people to stop.

Yes, I think you are correct.  

No, my light won't do that.  

George

TCA, NMRA, PRRT&HS Modeling the PRR Panhandle Division between 1948-1957.

Nice looking traffic lights!  What do you have to go along with them for operation? I have recently (once again) been fiddling around with a circuit to operate traffic lights for years. Found the basic circuit on the internet, but it didn't work correctly. I'll get it exactly the way I want it one of these days, I hope. Going to even try making a PCB for it as a learning exercise.

I'll probably end up just purchasing something to operate the ones on my layout. And will definitely be purchasing the lights as well, there's no way I could ever create traffic lights that nice.  I'd like to check out Greg's website when it goes back online.

rtr12 posted:

Nice looking traffic lights!  What do you have to go along with them for operation? I have recently (once again) been fiddling around with a circuit to operate traffic lights for years. Found the basic circuit on the internet, but it didn't work correctly. I'll get it exactly the way I want it one of these days, I hope. Going to even try making a PCB for it as a learning exercise.

I'll probably end up just purchasing something to operate the ones on my layout. And will definitely be purchasing the lights as well, there's no way I could ever create traffic lights that nice.  I'd like to check out Greg's website when it goes back online.

 Greg provides a controller and power supply to go with each signal.  He can program the controller for different situations as well.  He built a signal for me for this intersection - Main Street, County Road, and Pennsylvania Avenue in Weirton.  Each street has a hanging traffic signal (single set of lights) facing it at the RED dots below.  Each direction receives a green light while the others show red.  Each green is followed by a yellow before it goes to red.  It's very realistic.

NorthWeirton- with Lights

Here's my wiring diagram for the above.

Traffic Light Wiring Diagram v005

And here's a short movie of North Weirton traffic lights in action.

I can't say enough about Greg's willingness to deliver the correctly working product.  I don't know when his website will be back up - I'd send him e-mail.

George 

TCA, NMRA, PRRT&HS Modeling the PRR Panhandle Division between 1948-1957.

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