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We are trying to flash load a new HO MTH SD70 with the ho_sd70_1784_cv_1701.zip file.

 

We are using a new TIU with the USB port (Rev. L).

 

The TIU is being powered by a Z1000 brick and Zcontroller to Fixed input 1

 

The locomotive is connected directly to fixed out 1 with allegator clips and jumpers

(because we supposedly had track signal problems)

 

The loader works and then asks for a retry on the "Determine Extended Address" step.

After one or two tries it finds the address, then the type.

 

When we get to the "Determine Engine Memory Size with TIU" step the programming hangs again and keeps asking for retrys.  The error message reads

"No reply to Read/Write command  Timeout=500ms."

"The operation has timed out."

 

And that's as far as we get.

 

We have tried two locomotives with the same results.

 

Both our MTH Loader Programs and MS .NET programs are current as far as we know (freshly reloded today).

 

Any ideas?

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Robert,

 Are you saying that for operations of PS3 DC is better than AC?

 Yes.

Also, does the poster's use to the term "flash" means something other than a sound file?

Flash is different from a sound file. It's the actual DSP (digital signal processor) firmware in the engine. It's stuff like, but not restricted to, operating pantographs or subway transit stops.

Barry,

 

First, thanks for the fast reply to my original post.

 

Second, a correction.  The Input and Output used are #1.

 

Now, I tried again, using a MRC Tech 4 200 DC transformer.  I hooked the variable DC output of the transformer to the Fixed Input #1.  I connected the loco directly to the Fixed Output #1.  When I first tried the DCS Loader it came up with an error message stating that it couldn't find the loco.  So I reversed the polarity on the transformer and the software found the loco.

 

I still can't get a successful update an either locomotive.  The system mainly keeps on getting hung-up at the same step.  Could the problem now be the choice of DC transformer?  Perhaps either a more basic transformer, such as the MRC Railpower 1370, or a more power model such as the Trainpower 6200?

 

Thanks again.

Yes,  I used an older MRC with a fixed DC output.  If you have to use the track DC output ensure Momentum and any other features are off.  Polarity matters, so check the output before you connect the DC to the Red and Black inputs.

 

Ralph, DC works very well for loading even PS-2 5V boards.  Did another one today flawlessly and rapidly.  G

David,

 

I use the tech4 260. I recently found out that the 1370 is not a good transformer to use for this. The sine wave is not clean and some of the older MTH HO engines don't like it.

 

With the HO you have to use DC power when using the TIU. Using AC power can hurt the electronics in the engine. The TIU does not modulate the power like DCC does this is why you need to use DC power only when running HO with the TIU. Plus you have to make sure the polarity going into the tiu is correct.

 

The HO stem engines can handle a bit of AC power and be ok, but the diesels just don't like it. Hopefully nothing happened to your engine.  

 

 

GGG, I will have to try DC power for down loads. Never gave it a thought. I learn something new everday with this stuff. Thanks.

 

 

Originally Posted by David McC:
 

Now, I tried again, using a MRC Tech 4 200 DC transformer.

 

Could the problem now be the choice of DC transformer?

 

 Yes, it's very likely the DC transformer is the problem.  My experience has been that most MRC DC power supplies work OK when new or nearly new.  As they age their filtering degrades and they quit working properly with DCS and PS3 engines.  The locomotive will still run fine in conventional mode on DC on these power supplies, but they cause interference with DCS.  If your only need for DCS is to update the firmware, I recommend getting an old laptop power supply.  These are usually well filtered and dirt cheap.  If your looking for something for running a small layout take a look at laboratory DC power supplies.  If you're running a larger layout consider a Bridgewerks transformer.
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