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"Harmonyard's" recent thread that started with defective couplers (hope your roof is ok!) got me to thinking about this whole issue again.

I suspect that most of us here began with what we now call "Pre/Post War" stuff; items that were made as "toys", but were manufactured in a time when most things were built to last, and when the people using them were self-sufficient. Just look at an issue of "Popular Mechanics" from the '50's: "Let's go out and build our own helicopter", or whatever!

Because these items have lasted for so long, and parts were (and still are) available, the hobby has this "sub-culture", if you will, of "fix it yourself". To me, and perhaps a lot of us here, that is part of, if not the most fun. Again, this stems from the durability of these items. Things get worn out through use, we replace those parts, and have the satisfaction of doing it ourselves.

Fast forward to today, where the whole culture is more "disposable". We now have items which are made elsewhere (for better or worse), some have very complex systems which are often beyond the abilities of most of us to repair, and indeed often seem to be designed more to be replaced, not repaired. And it's more often than not a QC issue to begin with.

So we have this conflict between what we've been used to doing (repair) and having to adjust to the new norm (replace). Some argue that if we repair new, ofttimes defective items (even those that are not the more "complex" systems) we're actually making things worse by not sending those items back to the manufacturer. I see that point, but then we are having to suppress that "repair instinct" that has served us so well and for so long.

Like everything else, the "era of adjustment to a new norm" can be a difficult one...good thing this is just a hobby, no? 

Mark in Oregon 

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Mark, thanks for thinking of me, and thank god the roof is ok, it really was a minor leak that really just messed up some ceiling drywall and it just so happened to poop down on the train layout. So the mess is all cleaned up, and we are back operational......my intention on that thread was merely to seek the best route to get the parts to fix these cars. Of course I wasn’t able to contribute to my own post, due to,the immediate issue at hand, and when I did finally get a chance, I seen the band wagon had immediately begun its downhill descent without any brakes.....and I believe, even in the thread I wasn’t looking for a bash session.... merely looking for the easiest solution giving the proximity of the retailer...I only ever buy one or two new products a year, and that’s mainly for two reasons, one is it’s a tradition to go to the train store before Christmas and enjoy the sights and smells of a good old fashioned train store, the other, it supports that local train store. Not everyone on that thread was on the band wagon, some offered sound, good advice, and direct relations to what they did to remedy the ailment. I notice some folks on here jump to conclusions so quickly that threads become so muddy they’re hardly worth reading....if the parts weren’t available, say...due to the recent big parts sale lionel has every year, or vendor supply is O/S and don’t know when or where parts will be available, or whatever...I’d just fix them myself somehow, someway. The moral of this story, does the L have a QC issue? Yeah, they do...is it product wide? ......I think not...few bad apples doesn’t spoil the orchard.....name a company with absolute 100% guaranteed no QC issues....it happens....it’s how the company treats its customers that’s the game changer. In my case, the retailer stepped up to the plate and knocked it out the park...............Pat

Hey Pat

Glad to hear your roof problem turned out to be a relatively minor one.

FWIW, I never thought your thread was at all about "bashing"; in fact, the way you presented it got me to thinking about the "repair or replace" dynamic in the first place, which is what thoughtful threads are supposed to do...

The repair of the highly sophisticated circuitry we see today is probably best left to the likes of "gunrunner john" , but when something as basic to the operation of our trains goes south, like couplers(!) we are really in new territory. Let's hope yours is a relatively isolated incident. If not, perhaps I should look into buying some stock shares in Kadee Couplers, Inc.

Best of luck and Merry Christmas to you and yours. 

Mark in Oregon 

If you have to return something you risk the chance of shipping damage, usually incur shipping costs at least one way and some folks here have stated they got things back in worse condition than when they sent them in. That is my biggest deterrent for returning things to the manufacturer, unless it's absolutely necessary. 

That is why I try to fix everything I can myself. However, I have not really had many problems with any newly purchased items. The few problems I have had were minor and I happened to have the parts to fix them, so I did. The only thing I have had to return for repair was my Legacy 990 system when the base refused to be upgraded. They don't repair those in the field, must go back to Lionel. Fortunately, for me, everything was fixed and it was returned good as new.

I had a problem with a brand new locomotive today right out of the box.  I opened it, oiled it, greased the gears and put it on the rails.  It started up runs 5 laps and then the rear coupler started firing randomly.  I seriously considered sending it in, but then I get brave and open it up.  It turns out the coupler wire is pinched under the motor.  Simple fix and saved myself shipping and repair cost and got a pretty good rush when it all went back together and worked.

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I had a problem with a brand new locomotive today right out of the box.  I opened it, oiled it, greased the gears and put it on the rails.  It started up runs 5 laps and then the rear coupler started firing randomly.  I seriously considered sending it in, but then I get brave and open it up.  It turns out the coupler wire is pinched under the motor.  Simple fix and saved myself shipping and repair cost and got a pretty good rush when it all went back together and worked.

Attaboy!   

Mitch 

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