Santa Fe 2926 first steam up set end of August?

 

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We've had a couple of busy weeks.

Our forge masters have been turning out brass replicas of the 2926 tender plates. They have sold up through #8 so far. If you want one you better get your slot nailed down. Contact us through the web site link at www.2926.us. They are $100 and have to be paid in advance. It's best to pay by check or call and we can do a credit card for you. Our phone on Wednesdays and Saturdays is 505-247-3611. Ask for Rick Marsden or someone in the merchandise store.

Some of our volunteers have been working on the speeder (Putt-Putt) readying it for open house on September 29th. They have installed an alternator, a new battery, a new belt and a muffler to quiet it down a bit.

As of this writing the pit repairs are almost done with about one more hour of welding rail clips to the beams. This has been an expensive endeavor as it looks like we are about $7000 in the hole. Thanks to all the generous donors who have helped us out with this expense. Anyone else who wishes to donate to offset the pit repair cost are encouraged to do so.

Reconnecting the tender is close on the horizon.

Fire-up will soon follow most likely toward the third week of August or heating of the bricks starting on August 19th.

The replacement souvenir/merchandise store was delivered this week. Workers began interior work installing insulation, electrical wiring, paint and cutting boards as needed for shelving, stairs, etc.

The electrical gurus are still running conduit and wiring for several appliances and instruments.

GandyDancer, a railroad crew, came in to assist our volunteers install replacement track and re-regulate or re-gauge the track.

As usual the jacketing dance continues and the cash goes out.

With the engine displaced, various infrastructure projects go on, maintenance work on our equipment and other clean-up projects are handed out.

The Newsletter is about to be sent out, so please be on the lookout for it in your email.

Hopefully the weather won't be too bad this week; stay hydrated and get out of the sun if you need to, and as always...

Keep on Steamin,
Rick Kirby
CMO, NMSL&RHS

 

 

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smd4 posted:

Steam up? Have you done the hydro yet?

Yes, quite some time ago. As I recall, they were readying for their first "steam test", more than a month ago, but when they pulled her out of the building, the rail in the inspection pit area rolled, and derailed the trailing truck. They had Hulcher come in with their big side-boom Cats, and lift the rear of the engine (they have a nice video of that operation on the website).

Dominic Mazoch posted:

Because of WWII material restrictions, were not the 2900 class some of the heaviest 4-8-4 ever built?

They were the heaviest 4-8-4's as built, being 2000lbs heavier than second place Northern Pacific A-5 class.

Stuart

 

The light at the end of the tunnel is the headlight of an on coming train!

She's alive! ATSF 2926 was fired up for the first time since the 1950s, and the facility was open on the 22nd to the public, so they could meet the heaviest and biggest 4-8-4 operating.

2926returns

Nick

"With a diesel, it's another train; with a steam locomotive, it's a happening!" - Walt Disney

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Sorry to disagree with the poster above but I was there on August 22, last Wednesday, and the 2926 was definitely NOT steamed up and not operating in any fashion. I was led on a tour by Martin Sanchez one of the group leaders and he explained to me that there were several valve leaks that would prevent a full steam up until the leaks were fully identified and repaired. As a matter of fact, the flues had been washed out the day before and they were busy getting rid of the water and residue on my visit and the firebox was cooling down from the day before. Pistons in the steam chests were not installed.

Martin explained that a full steam up would have to wait. He could not confirm the locomotive would run by early 2019. In the photos below from August 22 I am standing beside the 2926 and Martin it is most definitely not steaming.

If you go to the website you see a steam up from the day before where steam was blown out from the piston empty steam chests. That was when they discovered the valve leaks and that steam up was ended.

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Passengers will please refrain, This train's got the disappearin' railroad blues...

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There was a partial steam up on August 21, not open to the public, the day before I saw the #2926. It was during that time that the valve leaks were discovered. The engineer in the photo above is the same fellow I talked to about the #2926 steam up and the predictions the group has regarding the eventual operation of the locomotive.

1) They lease the siding they are on from a local company

2) They plan to operate the locomotive in 2019 but cannot say definitively that will happen in 2019

3) They have made arrangements for use of filtered motor oil as fuel because it has the right BTU content and they have made arrangements with local fire companies to provide water via hoses at various stops.

4) With regard to turning the locomotive for operation, they hope to "find a wye." 

5) Interestingly, the locomotive was built with a form of automatic braking back in the forties but is not capable of being used with PTC.

6) They are negotiating arrangements with the Grand Canyon Railroad to run the same route as the Grand Canyon steamer currently not operational

I did not discuss with them the insurance issues that other railroads are facing with regard to excursions or fan trips. The fellows said they plan to pull a consist of privately owned passenger cars. Of course, on another railroad's mainline the insurance issues are going to be an issue. The locomotive has been totally overhauled although the boiler has not been lifted off of the chassis. It looks fabulous.

 

Passengers will please refrain, This train's got the disappearin' railroad blues...

I can't understand why someone affiliated with the 2926 group says that the air brake equipment cannot be used with PTC.

This locomotive was built with 8-ET air brake schedule, and was formerly equipped with Automatic Train Stop.  3460 Class Santa Fe steam engines, also built with 8-ET air brake schedule, were equipped with both Automatic Train Stop and Automatic Train Control (cab signals).  I might add that Southern Pacific 4449 also was built with 8-ET and HSC air brake schedule, and that group has not been complaining about incompatibility with PTC.

Obviously Number 8 air brake equipment can initiate a penalty application when commanded by a train stop device.  So, what's the problem?

Tom

 

Superintendent, High Plains Division (O Gauge) 

The Panhandle & Santa Fe Railway Co.

Lone Star Hi-Railers

Santa Fe, All the Way

Number 90 posted:

I can't understand why someone affiliates with the group says that the air brake equipment cannot be used with PTC.

This locomotive was built with 8-ET air brake schedule, and was formerly equipped with Automatic Train Stop.  3460 Class Santa Fe steam engines, also built with 8-ET air brake schedule, were equipped with both Automatic Train Stop and Automatic Train Control (cab signals).  I might add that Southern Pacific 4449 also was built with 8-ET and HSC air brake schedule, and that group has not been complaining about incompatibility with PTC.

Obviously Number 8 air brake equipment can initiate a penalty application when commanded by a train stop device.  So, what's the problem?

Tom,

Also lets not forget the UP steam locomotives, i.e. 844 and 3985, the she was operational. Both were fitted with UP's cab signal equipment, way back in the steam days, and after the merger with Chicago & North Western, both locomotives were up-graded with the latest electronic/solid state UP cab signal and CNW Automat Train Control. Both UP locomotives, as well as the under restoration 4014, are equipped with 8ET air brake schedules.

Apparently someone at the 2926 group is confused. 

Hot Water posted:

Apparently someone at the 2926 group is confused. 

Or -- possibly -- the person affiliated with that group and who spoke to our good friend Eliot was posing as one who knows air brakes.  It is tempting to some who are in the inner circle of steam engine operating and preservation groups, to pose as experts.  On the other hand, perhaps this person does indeed "know the air."  Without more information about that person's background, we do not know if he knows something specific to the 2926 that would back up his claim.  I would hate to think that someone might try to B.S. a good man like Eliot.

Those of us who have actually used manually-lapped automatic brake valves as Engineers on real trains are rightly puzzled by the claim that there is anything about the 2926 air brakes that would be incompatible with PTC.  To the best of my knowledge, 8-ET air brake equipment is superbly well-suited to both freight and passenger use, and was used with great success by Santa Fe Railway.

Perhaps, if there is anyone on the Forum from the 2926 group who could elaborate, we could understand this more fully.

Tom

 

Superintendent, High Plains Division (O Gauge) 

The Panhandle & Santa Fe Railway Co.

Lone Star Hi-Railers

Santa Fe, All the Way

steam fan posted:

Maybe because they installed a 26L brake system?

That still does not justify the response that the locomotive was built with a form of automatic brake, back in the forties, but was not compatible with PTC. Many "restoration groups" have elected to install the 26 brake schedule simply because they could not obtain overhaul/repair components for an 8ET system.

Scrapiron Scher posted:

6) They are negotiating arrangements with the Grand Canyon Railroad to run the same route as the Grand Canyon steamer currently not operational.

ex-CB&Q 2-8-2 no. 4960 is a steam locomotive owned by Grand Canyon Railway that still runs, their other steamer, ex-LS&I 2-8-0 no. 14, is not. So even if the deal between NMSL&RHS and GCRY doesn't work out, there will still be steam action there.

Nick

"With a diesel, it's another train; with a steam locomotive, it's a happening!" - Walt Disney

TrainMan1225 posted:
Scrapiron Scher posted:

6) They are negotiating arrangements with the Grand Canyon Railroad to run the same route as the Grand Canyon steamer currently not operational.

ex-CB&Q 2-8-2 no. 4960 is a steam locomotive owned by Grand Canyon Railway that still runs, their other steamer, ex-LS&I 2-8-0 no. 14, is not. So even if the deal between NMSL&RHS and GCRY doesn't work out, there will still be steam action there.

Only on a limited basis, does the Grand Canyon Railway operate steam. One needs to check their website for potential steam operations.

 

Thanks to Number 90, Hot Water and others for your knowledge about the #2926 and braking control. All of you know much more about these issues than I do. I merely claim to love the trains and I have tried to report exactly what I was told, no more no less. I know that I was told that the loco is not compatible with PTC but I cannot elaborate. Hopefully, I have reported correctly.

Eliot

Passengers will please refrain, This train's got the disappearin' railroad blues...

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