Studio Shots: 3rd Rail CB&Q O5A (1940's)

3rd Rail CB&Q O5A # 5629

 

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Sunset produced these back in 2003, and I've always wanted one. Well, I finally found one and wasted no time to modify it for 40's time frame. Sunset has always favored the 50 and 60's detailing in all of their O5 offerings; including their upcoming HO versions. Such versions, while popular, are not correct for 40's passenger trains. In my opinion, the 40's detailing is a more desirable look that represents the moment in which these engines where the indisputable queens of the rails. At any rate, this is a beautiful model, one that shows almost no aging despite it's 15 year life. Just like my Q F3's, this girl won't be demoted to freight.

 

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SANTIAGOP23 posted:

Yeah mine burns coal as it did in the 40’s, didn’t you see the ash pans?

No, because there aren't any, nor is there an ash hopper. Just because you inserted that optional coal load tender insert, still doesn't make he a coal burner.

But thanks for the suggestion!  I did not change the B as it would have damaged the paint job. I’ll live with it .

 

Hot Water posted:
SANTIAGOP23 posted:

Yeah mine burns coal as it did in the 40’s, didn’t you see the ash pans?

No, because there aren't any, nor is there an ash hopper. Just because you inserted that optional coal load tender insert, still doesn't make he a coal burner.

But thanks for the suggestion!  I did not change the B as it would have damaged the paint job. I’ll live with it .

 

Ehh yes there are, just because you don't see them doesn't mean they are not there, kinda like your toylike 3 rail track. But, unless you're suggesting Scott mispromotes his products, yes these can be O5As. Thanks again

For the record, six coal burning O5a's were converted to oil in 1950, as were two 4-6-4's (4002 & 4003). The oil burning O5b's were 5614, 5620, 5626, 5627, 5629 and 5632. They were Lines West locomotives, based in Lincoln, NE. All six O5b's were the last Burlington 4-8-4's in regular service, operating in the summer/early Fall of 1957. They were knocked out of service by a delivery of new SD9's.........#5629 is pictured in the  BRHS Burlington Bulletin SD7/9/24 issue, playing judas goat, delivering a new SD9 to Lincoln, NE in summer 1957.

As always, Santiago, your work is exemplary.

imageThank you, Mark. I always look forward to your input.

A real rarity was 5625, on which the Q' experimented with the steam distribution system using poppet valves. I wish there was a Bulletin dedicated to Northerns like the one on the more prestigious S-4's.

 

 

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Re the 5625/Poppet Valves, the January 1995 Railfan & Railroad Magazine had an engrossing article about trouble shooting the 5625, after it had been converted to poppet valve in early 1942. Written by Vernon L. Smith, a mechanical engineer working for Lima Locomotive + Franklin RY supply and, later, CMO for the Belt Ry of Chicago, if memory serves me.

Problems included warpage of valve chests, valve seats,  inadequate oil feed to the valve stem guides......on and on !  But, the 5625 performed, rushing high priority Chicago-Denver freights, weighing 3500-4500 tons comfortably at 60 mph - in cold, winter weather (journals are a bit resistant in cold weather).  Alas, 5625 was the 2nd O5 to be retired in 3/54.  

Santiago, noted your water column pictured at about 230 on your tape. In consideration of your meticulous attention to detail, you might want to give thought to obtaining a "Poage Style H water column with wheel", from American Scale Models. They were used extensively across the Burlington. The one depicted looks like a style I have never seen either in person, or in photos, on the Q. The ASM column is a bit pricey ($125), but a nicely executed model.  Just a thought.

 

Santiagop23 that wash rack is awesome!  I have to get one!  My yard is ballasted, here is a pic..
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Would you set the rack directly on the ballast?  Or would you set it on a "concrete" slab?  Thanks for sharing the pic of the wash rack, I have been looking for one for along time!  P.S. sorry if I hi-jacked your thread!!

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Santiago,

Beautiful engine, cars and a very fine video production. The only way I see that it could be enhanced would be by adding buildings and scenery onto the layout. I would like to see you do that.

Also - a question. Did the Pullman car Latrobe run on the CB&Q? Latrobe is in Pennsylvania. Did you finish the brass passenger cars? They are beautiful.

MELGAR

Thanks Santiago!  Thanks for the compliment too.  Well, my layout is a work in progress.  Do you have any pics of prototypical wash racks?  I too will buy both pieces from ASM, and I am curious how far to separate them.  I have seen the work you do and maybe I should wait until you post pics of your scene and just copy you!

MELGAR posted:

Santiago,

Beautiful engine, cars and a very fine video production. The only way I see that it could be enhanced would be by adding buildings and scenery onto the layout. I would like to see you do that.

Also - a question. Did the Pullman car Latrobe run on the CB&Q? Latrobe is in Pennsylvania. Did you finish the brass passenger cars? They are beautiful.

MELGAR

Thanks, MELGAR! No, this is a factory painted brass car by 3rd Rail. The paint job is fantastic so I'm not touching it. No idea where Latrobe ran, but some 12-1 cars on the Q' were "Adriatha", "Moorhead", "Cymric", "Estes Park" and "Cornhusker".

 

SANTIAGOP23 posted:

I wonder if these ever pulled a 47-48 Expo consist with th CZ domes in it. The Q was relying heavily on F3’s and E7’s during those years. 

A question that probably has the same answer for most Burlington big steam in the immediate post-war era. I had wondered something similar about their S4 class hudson, being as I own a 3rd Rail version of the unshrouded #4000.  

I deduce that keeping the shiny bling clean may have swayed the company towards hauling with diesel exclusively.  Frequent stops with steam could have also been a determining factor.  In a search for photographic evidence I came across a shot of 4000 pulling a string of streamlined cars into Chicago.  Problem was, the first class train being pulled was GN's Empire Builder.

If you find out anything conrete, I'd appreciate learning about it.

Bruce

Seaboard M - - - Yes, the O5's were passenger haulers (I traveled behind O5b #5632 pulling an excursion in 1961, doing 90 mph along the Mississippi R in WI). But, they were also dual service freight haulers, quite comfortable pulling 100 freight cars at 60 mph. Great locomotives !

BR Web - - - Kind of an interesting story behind the two stainless steel streamlined 4-6-4's on the Burlington. One (#4000) was an existing locomotive, that received a streamlined cowl (1937). The other (#4001) was built new (1938) at the W. Burlington shop. The Burlington opted for steam locomotive back-ups for the new, diesel Zephyr fleet because the same horsepower could be obtained at a cheaper price with steam locomotives !!    The two engines were de-streamlined in 1941, as the beautiful E5's had arrived in 1940, so the Zephyr fleet was adequately covered.

Bruce,

I too own Sunset's post war "Alice", S-4s maybe the finest steam locomotive in Q history. Simply legendary. Our version comes with MARS light and automatic train control box, so it's more appropriate for mid 50s onward modeling. 

S4s pulled the E builder in their early years, but thy did pulled Budd lightweight and dome cars in local trains and fan trips later on.

Here you can see her before MARS and ATC pulling a local, the dome car back there is probably Silver Dome, a car I'd love to see someone offer. 

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