sncf231e posted:Railfan Brody posted:The scoop was also used in the UK.
The scoop was also used in France; in this fragment of the French movie "La Bete humaine" you see how the scoop is operated from the cab.
Regards
Fred
Incredible video Fred. It's great that this action was preserved on film.
Great video. I have read that getting the scoop retracted before getting to the end of the pan was of obvious great importance, and apparently it was not met at times. Trackmen fine tuning the rail was impressive, wonder if they do that today? One thing to remember about rail systems such as this in Britain, then and now, is that Great Britain is only as big as the state of North Carolina. You can establish a wonderful mass transit rail system in such a small area, independent of outside of border interfaces, as opposed to spanning the US with an equivalent system. It did exist at one time here though, it was said that you could travel from coast to coast and not walk more than 2 blocks. In the more metro areas of the 1920's, trolleys, interurbans, and shortlines, all led to main train stations for connections to just about any US destination. Hard to believe GM and Firestone dismantled it all to sell buses and tires.
I actually have one or two of these, but I can't dig them out of storage just now... would love to know what they were thinking over in Hillside that day 
Must have been a Monday morning. 
Curt
Apples55 posted:I actually have one or two of these, but I can't dig them out of storage just now... would love to know what they were thinking over in Hillside that day
Maybe it was running tender first!
"Bad Night on the East End", a fireman's tale of a run with a sick T1 on the Pennsy's Fort Wayne Division;
by John R. Crosby in the Premiere 1999 issue of TRAINS CLASSIC now known as Classic Trains mag.
Explains the use of, and the perils of using track pans as well as anything else I've read.
Illustrated with this Gil Reid painting.
juniata guy posted:Must have been a Monday morning.
Curt
Would have loved to be at the party the weekend before 
Railfan Brody posted:Apples55 posted:I actually have one or two of these, but I can't dig them out of storage just now... would love to know what they were thinking over in Hillside that day
Maybe it was running tender first!
Interesting thought, Brody... guess it was part of the failed prototype for a Pennsy Cab Forward
banjoflyer posted:sncf231e posted:Railfan Brody posted:The scoop was also used in the UK.
The scoop was also used in France; in this fragment of the French movie "La Bete humaine" you see how the scoop is operated from the cab.
Terrific film!
I didn't realize the engineer on French trains stood on the left side of the engine. Auto drivers in France sit on the right side of the automobile.
In France (and continental Europe (including Netherlands)) the auto drivers sit on the left side of vthe automobile; in the UK they sit right.
Regards
Fred (from Netherlands)
I learned recently (to my complete surprise) that the English "Deltic" diesel-electric locomotives were fitted with water scoops that could be used to replenish the water supply for the steam heat boiler. I was watching a video tour of a preserved Deltic, when I noticed instructions for lowering the water scoop inscribed on a plate neat the fireman's seat. The tour-guide said nothing about this feature in the video, but a later search confirmed that they were fitted and used. I had never heard of this before.
Link to the Deltic video tour: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZFJVsJHljU (If the link doesn't work for some reason, just search "Deltic Video Tour" and select the one from Ribble Steam Railway Preston).
How did they work in winter?
Great thread
So, how were they heated?
Here's an article that offers a lot of information about track pans, including the question of heating them in cold weather.
https://books.google.com/books...20winter&f=false
The link may open a couple of pages past the beginning, so you may have to scroll up to get to the first paragraph of this article, which is titled "Design and Maintenance of Track Tanks."
This was excellent information with excellent illustrations. Now that Lionel is marketing the Legacy Dreyfus J3 Hudson, some with PT water scoop tenders I wanted to know what these water scoops were. Looks like there would be real trouble if the water scoop got stuck in a down position. And I think it would be difficult to model a water trough under a 3 rail track.
@Apples55 posted:I actually have one or two of these, but I can't dig them out of storage just now... would love to know what they were thinking over in Hillside that day
Talk about hydroplaning! Maybe this train runs 80 mph in reverse!
If the fireman did not raise the water scoop (it was part of his job), before the end of the pan, yes I think it would be a big problem. I don't know what would be sturdier, the scoop or the pan, but one would have to give. And if the scoop were sturdy enough - could it cause a derailment if it hit the end of pan?
@prrjim posted:If the fireman did not raise the water scoop (it was part of his job), before the end of the pan, yes I think it would be a big problem. I don't know what would be sturdier, the scoop or the pan, but one would have to give. And if the scoop were sturdy enough - could it cause a derailment if it hit the end of pan?
No, i.e. no derailment. Those scoops were EXTREMELY sturdy, and simply tore the end out of the track pan, as designed.
One question I have is how many gallons of water can be picked up with the scoop at a time?
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