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With a tip of the hat, and apology if needed, to Scrapiron Scher: his recent thread, Forty five, asked about an A-B-B-B-A F3 set up with twelve passenger cars.  Apparently that many F3s was not done in the real world, but the eight-year old inside me thought that was in no way a reason to stop a really good idea.  Hence, the "Super-Duper Chief" with six Warbonnet F3s (A-B-B-B-B-A) and fourteen shiny aluminum passenger cars - the longest I could put together.  It an incredibly cool train to look at - over 25 feet long, wrapping around the entire "big" end of my layout.  My wife say it is her favorite ever.  

 

It is also indisputably the biggest pain to run I have ever seen.  With four Pullmor motors, two sound cars, and fourteen lighted passenger cars it draws 4.4 amps just idling.  I turned off the lights in a few cars where i can do that but that only got the current draw at idle down to about 3.8.  So, even with a light touch on the throttle and an artful push of the hand on the lead engine to help , the red-light-of-impending-breaker-action blinks as its starts out, the I have to throttle back slightly, bend down so I can read the meter well, and keep it right at 10 amps.  It proceeds around my layout until it gets to the 35 foot uphill climb at Raton Pass (just under 2%), whereupon enough throttle to keep speed steady trips the breaker.  I have to run it up to really high speeds (not easy either) so it enters like a rocket, then keep the throttle right at the 10 amp limit on the meter as it climbs, and slows, leaving the top at a crawl. This is one train  that demands to be driven - I could not find a single throttle position where it would cruise around the layout without adjustment and not either trip the breaker or slow to a stall for not enough power: I have to stand at the control and constantly adjust the throttle and watch the meter.  The fun factor isn't helped by my having to lean down in order to see the meter.  I tried to get a video, however short, of it moving but operating the throttle and the camera was, well impossible.  So the short one below just shows it idling (very cool sound, too, with the two sound cars, one MTH, one Lionel operating simulatanelously, even at idle.  Whatever its lack of prototypical accuracy and difficulty in running, it looks so good here.    

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Here is idling.

 

 

Oh, yes: I did try deleting one of the powered A units and replacing it with a dummy A, thus reducing the number of motors and their hunger.  But not then the remaining engines are clearly struggling to pull the train - not going to abuse them like that. 

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Super Duper Chief at idle in downtown San Beattadaise
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Originally Posted by Big_Boy_4005:

My inner 8 year old is jumping up and down. My 50+ outer adult says you just made the case for can motors and LED lights.

Oh yeah.  I have nine Warbonnett F3s, with not a can motor among them, and a total of fifteen incandescent lighted cars.  I have resisted buying a good modern set for some time hoping Lionel would offer a Vision Super Chief set - smoke unit and speaker in every unit, etc., but I suppose it's time to bit the bullet and buy something modern enough.  And I should get off my duff and convert the cars to LEDs.

Originally Posted by Lee Willis:
Originally Posted by Big_Boy_4005:

My inner 8 year old is jumping up and down. My 50+ outer adult says you just made the case for can motors and LED lights.

Oh yeah.  I have nine Warbonnett F3s, with not a can motor among them, and a total of fifteen incandescent lighted cars.  I have resisted buying a good modern set for some time hoping Lionel would offer a Vision Super Chief set - smoke unit and speaker in every unit, etc., but I suppose it's time to bit the bullet and buy something modern enough.  And I should get off my duff and convert the cars to LEDs.

It's either that or buy stock in the local utility company.

 

After my experience at the mall, I gave up on anything that doesn't have can motors, both for the current draw and reliability aspects. I too want to convert my passenger cars to LED lighting, but I want to get the layout done first.

Lee - I love the picture that the video starts out with looking down your main street with the train on the left and the stores on the right.  It's at street level, which increases the realism of the shot.  I love the look of your town.  And lastly Santa Fe warbonnets are as pretty as it gets.

 

Art

The new stuff is just much better. I'm running the A-B-B-A MTH DAP N-S lashup with passenger cars (MTH/Lionel mix) up 2% grades without having to touch the throttle held at 16-17 volts. Amps are nominal considering the load. DC can motors are much more efficient than the open frame engines of old. I had the 2343 Santa Fe as a kid and loved the sound of the horizontal worm motors. It didn't need a sound system.

Well actually in the late 1960's when the Super Chief and the El Capitan were combined as one train (a good brace of hi-levels plus the single level cars) , those were pulled by more than 4 F's. So the Super Duper Chief is not all that far out there. Many trains of the 50's got into the 15-17 car length. Look at the Amtrak Autotrain - its sits with over 30 cars between the passenger cars and the autocarriers.

 

Peter

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