So, I was running my VL GG1 today with my broadway limited cars and all was well. I shut everything down to leave the layout and returned 15 minutes later to start back up again. As soon as I powered the track the GG1 started up, no motion, just RPM sounds. Using the CAB 2 I tried to use crew talk, horn, bell, ect, I got nothing. I turned the speed up and the GG1 started moving, however, no change to the RPM sounds. I shut everything down for a minute, then again, once the power was added to the track the RPM sounds started again. 

 

I took the loco off the track, checked the pickup rollers and made sure all the settings were correct, same issue. 

I ran an SD-40 without issue, so I don't think its the legacy base. 

 

Thoughts? 

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first thing I would do is put the engine in Program mode and reprogram it. See if that works , if the engine starts up in program mode while you apply power then it’s a signal or control board issue. 

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Alex M posted:

Hi Chris 

first thing I would do is put the engine in Program mode and reprogram it. See if that works , if the engine starts up in program mode while you apply power then it’s a signal or control board issue. 

Alex 

Just tested. It starts right up in program mode. I guess I'll be contacting lionel. This thing has been sent to them twice already for stallilng and pantograph issues. Ugh.

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Alex M posted:

Hi Chris 

first thing I would do is put the engine in Program mode and reprogram it. See if that works , if the engine starts up in program mode while you apply power then it’s a signal or control board issue. 

Alex 

Just tested. It starts right up in program mode. I guess I'll be contacting lionel. This thing has been sent to them twice already for stallilng and pantograph issues. Ugh.

Yep that’s a board issue. Are you still under warranty? 

 

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Alex M posted:

Hi Chris 

first thing I would do is put the engine in Program mode and reprogram it. See if that works , if the engine starts up in program mode while you apply power then it’s a signal or control board issue. 

Alex 

Just tested. It starts right up in program mode. I guess I'll be contacting lionel. This thing has been sent to them twice already for stallilng and pantograph issues. Ugh.

Yep that’s a board issue. Are you still under warranty? 

 

I assume they aren't standing by these, even though they have so many issues. I bought it in Jan of 17, so I guess I'm out of luck.

Alright, well it's been quite some time. I finally was able to get an RA from Lionel and send the VL GG1 back for service. They replaced the control board as well as the panto board (3rd time for this one). FedEx dropped it off yesterday and I just opened the box to inspect it and get it back on the track.

The excitement was short lived as once I opened the box a noticed a part from the pantograph had broken off. I removed the loco to get some photos which I have already sent to Lionel for another RA. Eventually I'll get to enjoy this locomotive on my layout, at least I hope! pantop2

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Well that stinks. I think one of the issues with this locomotive is the packing. I wish the foam was split top/bottom and not trying to slide the engine in from the side. 

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Well that stinks. I think one of the issues with this locomotive is the packing. I wish the foam was split top/bottom and not trying to slide the engine in from the side. 

Marty I agree 100%. Why this went with a lay in packing design for a loco with so much fragile detail I’ll never understand. 

I have worked on many Vision Line GG-1 locomotives at Charles Ro and have never seen a pan broken as you showed in your photo.    They will fix it for you.   I always felt the Lionel GG-1 had a well made pan.    

 

 

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I have the Amtrak GG1.  The rear pantograph won’t go down.  If I push the botton to lower the panto it stops “sparking” but just stays in the up position.  I have reset the engine without success.  

I also have the 4800 and it works perfectly.  I know some people didn’t love the sparking panto, but it is definitely a fun feature for our family. 

Any recommendations on how to address the panto issue?  I would hate to have to ship it, but if that is the only option then so be it... 

Thanks!

Ben 

Ben,

after multiple trips to Lionel mine is finally working. I hated shipping it too because he engine was damaged from a return trip with FedEx. Luckily Lionel took it back and repaired that issue. Once I got mine running I locked the pantos down since my layout has tunnels. I couldn’t honestly tell you if they are still working appropriately. 

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