Getting us in the spirit early, eh Chris? Beautiful photo and locomotive.

Video shows a Carette gauge 1 steeple cab (48mm) electric loco cat. # 1088/21 pulling a Carette "D" coach cat. # 135/22/48, all ca. 1911. The locomotive is friction drive with the front axle powered by direct contact between a bushing attached to both sides of the motor shaft, and the wheel rims. Carette gauge 1 is 48 mm, three mm wider than the customary. Some locos and rolling stock bind on 45 mm 1 gauge curves, e..g., the coach in this video, which had to be re-gauged to run on 45mm 1 gauge track.

"People do not 'graduate' from tinplate." - Louis Hertz, 1938

Lovely Carette steeple cab Jim, thanks for sharing it.  Another Carette in O gauge live steam, this one has been made by Basset Lowke in Great Britain around 1925 using Carette tools . Carette disapeared around 1917 during the first world war.

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Have a nice weekend,  Daniel

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As it looks like "Carette Week " on the show us yer tinplate thread I will dig into the Archives myself and post up my Winteringham Loco .. I posted it here on the forums in April last year I believe?

As you can see its certainly not in running condition , but this loco came to me courtesy of an EBay seller who had no idea what it was and listed it as an " Old Brass push toy train "

I near snapped my neck doing a double take LOL ... So began a very tense 6 days of stalking this auction and hoping no-one else would find it , it was listed under tin toys rather than anything train related ... the final day arrived and with 10 seconds to go on the item I gave it my best price .. fully expecting to be sniped by a fellow collector ... and got it for the opening bid !

$12 Australian ! ( about 8$US ) ...

To be fair at the time I didnt know it was a Winteringham , but thought it was actually a Carette ( or similar)

It is missing the piston and cylinder for the steam propulsion as well as the burner , but it is a restoration possibility ( I am pretty sure an adapted mamod will work!)

But as history tells us ( and as Daniel mentions above ) the Carette tooling went to England after Carette dissolved and they were obtained by Winteringham ( who was a design/supply company to Bassett-Lowke)

Many of the Carette tooled British made items were stamped Bassett-Lowke as a matter of course, but on this one little loco it was held back by Winteringhams as they decided the future of their company was not just to act as labour making B-L stuff but instead release a few designs of theirs NOT through B-L !

https://www.brightontoymuseum....ory:Winteringham_Ltd

A stolen youtube video of a working model

I do not know how many of these were made , but it seems very few survived ... in researching it when I got it , I only found a handful of examples and only three running ones

 

Clockwork guys have a spring in their step!

FRENCHTRAINS posted:

Fatman, nice little engine and for a offer !!!   It could be restored, if it was mine it would have been done ...

Daniel

So I should send it to you (with a nice case of wine) for restoration over the cold cold French winter

Clockwork guys have a spring in their step!

Tinplate Art posted:

JKE: Beautiful engine, but is that screeching sound due to the 48mm drive wheels on 45mm track, OR is that the noise of the friction drive? Mark me puzzled.

Art, it's the sound of the friction drive. The motor tends to whirl at a faster rate than the wheels turn. The drive bushings are scored, and this produces the whine. Daniel, that's a nice little Carette steamer. Fatman, the Winteringham was a real find!

"People do not 'graduate' from tinplate." - Louis Hertz, 1938

Tinplate Art posted:

FATMAN: Was Winteringham a British firm and what vintage is your loco?

Hey Art !

Yes they were a firm that set up to design and manufacture tinplate for the prestigious Bassett-Lowke brand ...

Bassett-Lowke early on was a sales/marketing firm who contracted manufacturers to design and provide tinplate for sale under the name . Before the war ( WWI) they used a lot of German manufacturers and marketed them under their own name , Hence today we have terms like "Bing for Bassett-Lowke, Carettefor Bassett-Lowke etc ) Their two main factories in the UK supplying them were Twining Models and Winteringham.

https://www.brightontoymuseum....ry:Bassett-Lowke_Ltd

https://www.brightontoymuseum....ory:Winteringham_Ltd

Bassett-Lowke was built with "Old Money " lol and had made a motza during the industrial revolution as Boiler makers so WJ Bassett-lowke was well funded enough to contract serious scale representations etc that a "normal" tinplate company would find uneconomical and dangerous to produce and market , B-L contracted a set amount of stock and paid for the priviledge, taking on the risk rather than the factory .

They built a huge range of scales , even up to 15 inch Gauge Live Steam !

15 inch

They also were excellent ship modellers etc as well ...

My Winteringham is c. 1921

Clockwork guys have a spring in their step!

Some years ago I bought  a Le Rapide CIWL restaurant with an wrongly painted gloss black roof.

This did not look good with my other Le Rapide CIWL cars, since these roofs should be off-white. So I changed the roof with the roof of an Le Rapide SNCF car.

But then the SNCF car did not look good and I noticed that LE rapide SNCF cars do have not off-white but white roofs. So that iss how I repainted it:

Regards

Fred

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American Flyer O gauge 3110 with three un-numbered Oriental Limited 4-wheel passenger cars. Makes for a nice looking train- always enjoy the colorful lithography of this era. The baggage/RPO car has a Great Northern railway logo, whereas the other two cars simply say "Oriental Limited" on the letterboard.

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John Smatlak posted:

American Flyer O gauge 3110 with three un-numbered Oriental Limited 4-wheel passenger cars. Makes for a nice looking train- always enjoy the colorful lithography of this era. The baggage/RPO car has a Great Northern railway logo, whereas the other two cars simply say "Oriental Limited" on the letterboard.

Flyer 3110 setFlyer 3110 set 2Flyer 3110 set 3

Really neat John. What is that track that the train is running on? I can't seem to place it.

George

George S posted:
John Smatlak posted:

American Flyer O gauge 3110 with three un-numbered Oriental Limited 4-wheel passenger cars. Makes for a nice looking train- always enjoy the colorful lithography of this era. The baggage/RPO car has a Great Northern railway logo, whereas the other two cars simply say "Oriental Limited" on the letterboard.

Flyer 3110 set 2Flyer 3110 set 3

Really neat John. What is that track that the train is running on? I can't seem to place it.

George

I don't know who made this particular tubular three-rail track, I've had some of it since I was a kid. There's no name on it anywhere.  I do see it from time to time at swap meets though. The curves are 042. The layout is a mixture of that stuff plus ordinary Lionel track, in some places with extra wooden ties glued in underneath to blend it in with the other track.

It’s cool John. I can’t seem to find anything like it. Marklin made a track with lots of thinner ties. However, the Marklin ties look like they are metal and are ‘spiked’ to the rail at each tie. Yours looks like wooden ties and are not spiked at every tie. It’s very interesting to me. Thanks for sharing.

George

John Smatlak posted:
George S posted:
John Smatlak posted:

American Flyer O gauge 3110 with three un-numbered Oriental Limited 4-wheel passenger cars. Makes for a nice looking train- always enjoy the colorful lithography of this era. The baggage/RPO car has a Great Northern railway logo, whereas the other two cars simply say "Oriental Limited" on the letterboard.

Flyer 3110 set 2Flyer 3110 set 3

Really neat John. What is that track that the train is running on? I can't seem to place it.

George

I don't know who made this particular tubular three-rail track, I've had some of it since I was a kid. There's no name on it anywhere.  I do see it from time to time at swap meets though. The curves are 042. The layout is a mixture of that stuff plus ordinary Lionel track, in some places with extra wooden ties glued in underneath to blend it in with the other track.

Looks like plastic ties. Maybe Kusan which was the basis for the K-Line track.

Steve

Steve "Papa" Eastman

Yorba Linda, CA

Left Coast, Home of the lunatics

terry hudon posted:

yep,started to clear the tracks,,on the upper level for now anyway,,,,,going from lct fast track back to tube track,,,,from usa,,(the best)..going to play around with the bridges .its been 9 years more or less on this layout,,,time for some refreshIMGP3220IMGP3221IMGP3222IMGP3223IMGP3224IMGP3219 

This is very exciting! I can’t wait to see the results. 

George

George S posted:
terry hudon posted:

yep,started to clear the tracks,,on the upper level for now anyway,,,,,going from lct fast track back to tube track,,,,from usa,,(the best)..going to play around with the bridges .its been 9 years more or less on this layout,,,time for some refreshIMGP3220IMGP3221IMGP3222IMGP3223IMGP3224IMGP3219 

This is very exciting! I can’t wait to see the results. 

George

hahaha,,,me neither,,,picking up the usa track on fri at york

it got the best of me ,,had to go back down to the train cave and tinker with this,,,,these hellgates have been in the same location since I built this,,,,,but now I cant believe how much more open the layout seems,and the bridges in the middle seem to give that more purposeIMGP3234IMGP3228IMGP3229IMGP3230IMGP3231IMGP3232IMGP3233

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I stumbled upon this thread and am so glad that I can stumble!  Don't typically visit this forum even though I sold my entire MTH Railking collection to try to 'get into' tin plate. I blame it all on Chris Lonero's pictures that he often posts on the photo fun thread!!!!  

So I bought 2 PS3 steamers in O-gauge: the baby blue comet set and the "christmas" set.  I was planning on getting "stuff" until I started shopping and saw the prices!  YIKES.

So I really loved looking at the images in this thread.  I'm going to have to make viewing this thread a regular activity here.  I enjoyed seeing all of the old "real" tin-plate stuff.

thanks for having this thread - walt

Greg J. Turinetti posted:

From the archives -

American Flyer 3/16" O gauge

 

 

 

Have a Great Tinplate Weekend

Northwoods Flyer

Greg

Greg - nice locos. Seems very hard to find the Royal Blue prewar O version in nice shape.

I don't believe I have ever seen the Gray streamliner - are they really scarce (especially in this condition I suppose!)

Jim

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Jim Waterman posted:

Greg - nice locos. Seems very hard to find the Royal Blue prewar O version in nice shape.

I don't believe I have ever seen the Gray streamliner - are they really scarce (especially in this condition I suppose!)

Jim

Thanks for the compliment Jim.  Its nice to hear from you.  You may not remember but we met and chatted at the pizza gathering at York last October.  I have been following your endeavors with manufacturing.  Everything you have produced and posted has looked very tempting.  Keep up the great work and good luck.

We are in the process of moving to a different state so all of my resource books are packed up.  I am posting an entry from the thread over on the CTT website.  The PreWar Royal Blue is the easier of the two engines to find but nowhere near as available as the S gauge version.  The grey 553 is indeed more scarce and more toy like since it has a non-prototypical wheel arrangement.

The 3/16" O gauge line is fascinating because it was produced for such a brief period of time and the variety of equipment produced is limited.  Its also a little sad because it marked the end of Chicago Flyer production and a much more toy like feel to the trains.  I collected S gauge Flyer for at least 20 years before moving into the prewar trains, so its fun to see the predecessors to the S gauge line. It makes you wonder why Gilbert didn't continue some of the items after WWII.   Its hard to chose which I like more. 

The 556 Royal Blue combination was cataloged in 1940 and 1941. This is the example I have in my collection:

 

 
 
 In 1940 Gilbert also offered the 553 combination:
 
 
 
It uses the same engine body but has a different wheel arrangement.
 
 
 
I really like the streamlined look of these engines.
 
 

I believe this is a page from the 1940 Catalog

I hope you have great success at York this year.

Greg

Northwoods Flyer

                                                             

terry hudon posted:

it got the best of me ,,had to go back down to the train cave and tinker with this,,,,these hellgates have been in the same location since I built this,,,,,but now I cant believe how much more open the layout seems,and the bridges in the middle seem to give that more purposeIMGP3234IMGP3228IMGP3229IMGP3230IMGP3231IMGP3232IMGP3233

still tinkering ,,,removed the roundhouse,looking for a more uncluttered look,IMGP3239IMGP3238

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