What are you gonna buy from the new Lionel Catalog?

Me personally I'm going to get the new Lionel Norfolk Southern SD60E's. I'm getting the Veterans unit number 6920 and I'll also be getting the First Responders unit number 911. 
As for the 844. The reason they are offering so many different versions is because the 844/8444 has been in several different variations of the UP paint scheme depending on the year it was running. 
In the 60's and 70's it was black with white trim on the walkways and had white wall tires.

Then in the late 70's and early 80's it was painted in the UP greyhound paint scheme with the yellow strips (some greyhounds were white and others were yellow). Then when the 90's rolled around (and when it was renumbered back to the 844) it got a solid black scheme with white UP letters on the tender. A scheme which it's in to this day. 
The way Lionel is doing them will allow for someone who wants to model any time period the engine was in. 

I would like to go for the NS SD60E Veterans Unit, there are a couple of Milwaukee Road freight cars to acquire. A Northern Pacific flat and the Lion Chief Milwaukee Road Hudson is tempting. Can't have everything...I'll probably go for the engine and a couple of cars.

Nothing!

I will buy one of the sd60 units .. The union pacific fef-3s are gonna be to much for me..

The 8-Door 86' Hi-cube boxcars have most of the schemes that I need for my model railroad.

Chessie System

Southern Pacific

The ROCK

CNW

 

 

Andrew

 

 

I honestly hoped there would be nothing I wanted. That didn't happen.

 

So far a few possible locomotives, but will WAIT until I see the rest of catalog.

Anyone getting the new accessory?

I don't think I'll be ordering much if anything.

Everything!

 

So far the 9/11 SD60E since I was a responder with the FDNY on 9/11

 

Whats the new accessory??

Nothing.  I'll look through it and think how nice it would be to have the money to buy brand new trains   Back to ebay for me

Show me the meat!!  Will page through both mfrs. catalogs....hope springs eternal.

Well, I think ill wait til i see it before i start making declarations of possible acquisitions

Need to see the list first.  Anyone got a link that will work?

Good one Charlie....Took me a minute to get it. But good one. I see something I want I will be calling you.

I'm wondering if the SD60Es will be a new tooling all together for Lionel?

 

I'll probably order the three NS units, have a feeling they will be quite desirable.  

 

Would love to get a black FEF, I have the grey version from a while back, but will probably hold off to see what the next VL locomotive is....price is steep on the FEF...but I suppose in-line with their recent pricing. 

 

Best,

Michael

I like Lionel's version of the 115th Anniversary boxcar.

 

Tim,

Would you be surprised if I said, "Nutt'in"? Didn't feel warm over anything.

That's what's so puzzling about the FEF's pricing.  It's WAY out of line with recent pricing. I guess the party line from Lionel will be that the Chinese guy doing their whistle-steam retrofits held out for a huge raise.    Some huge raise indeed.  With a $1700 MSRP, the typical street-price will likely be $1400-$1425.  We just paid that price a couple of months ago for an articulated Y6b for gosh sakes!  

 

More "in-line" pricing for the FEF-3 would have been $1500 MSRP with street-pricing closer to $1125-$1150, like the recent Pennsy M1A.  Heck, the entire M1A freight set with 4 GLa hoppers and a caboose can be had for $1300.  So why would we spend $1400+ for what amounts to a basic, non-articulated steam locomotive?    There's an extra $250+ that just evaporated into not-so-thin air.   

 

No thanks... I think I'll pass on that one.

 

David

 

I have two of those.

That Conrail Sd38 looks interesting. I didn't see the rest yet before it was taken down.

Where do you guys see that the new FEF 3s have whistle smoke?  If we use the ed H method and look at the Lionel site, there is no mention of whistle steam in the listed FEF 3s.

 

Like Alan "The Adman" eluded to, perhaps that's why we shouldn't get jazzed up over possible inaccurate information.

I saw the catalog it has whistle smoke

absolutely nothing

Of the new offerings - Black 844, UP 2-8-0 possibly, couple of milk cars, B&O hoppers maybe (did they have this type?) and several PRR cabooses plus the NH one.

Only a quick run through before it was pulled. Nothing jumped out at me.

I guess MTH has a lock on Ohio Central but I will wait and wish

I missed the sneak peak, but I am bummed that the 2-8-0's and the Heisler have returned.  They are on my list, as was the lionmaster challenger.  I already ordered the challenger.  That left no money for a 2-8-0 or Heisler.....

 

oh well, I'll just look and dream!

 

I'm looking at it right now and it says 'whistle steam' in giant letters. I saved the catalog locally just in case it was taken down.

Well there ya go... Thanks.  But as far as discussion, I'll just wait for the catalog.  Obviously the ed h method might get you to a product but could lack the details.  It's only 1 more day so I'm patient.

It is no surprise to me that the #844's will have an MSRP of $1700+ . . . .

If ALL of the BTO steamers have sold out, Lionel has every reason to believe these will, too. I agree with that logic. Unfortunately, Lionel needs the price increases to accurately determine where the market "top" is. Keeping the prices in line with locomotives that are already "selling out" does not reveal to Lionel where the mountain will crest. In economic terms, the marginal revenue of the items will eventually reveal the "topping out" price and the ideal number of locomotives to produce. Of course, since they are all BTO, Lionel has few worries about production numbers. Their concern is best profit level.

 

Will I buy a black UP FEF with whistle steam?

 

Sigh . . . . . 

Can you smell the creosote in the ties  ?

 

Not one thing!

       
       




No way I am paying 1500ish on street price on the Union Pacific efe .

A lot of grumblings already and the catalog is not officially out.

 

   Bill T.

Eliot, your point is well-taken.  HOWEVER, by design -- and from Lionel's perspective -- all the BTO items are sell-outs, as Lionel no longer holds any inventory, per se. 

 

I suppose the real question is, "Are these BTO products selling out at dealers who ordered "extra's" beyond their real customer pre-orders?".  At this point, all we have to go on are a couple of catalogs... but I have noticed more "SOLD OUT" banners on certain SKU's when Charlie Ro publishes his email featuring new products received from Lionel.  So some SKU's are sold-out already when stuff hits the streets, and other SKU's may sell out soon thereafter.  That's the real trend worth observing.

 

All that notwithstanding, I think Lionel is approaching the point at which some folks are gonna say, "No thanks."  Will some folks order the FEF-3 at a $1425+ street-price?  Absolutely, yes.  No question about it.  The better question would be, "Can Lionel maximize its profits for a given production run, when they start pushing the price envelope beyond what's "reasonable"?"   It's not win-win scenario if the answer is "no".

 

Then again... we've heard rumors that "300" is the magic, minimum production run number.  So perhaps Lionel is more than happy if they get 300 dealer orders on a given model class.  Their costs are covered, and they make some profit too.  All I'm saying is... are they leaving (profit) money on the table, when they could have sold 500 or 750 if they weren't so greedy on the price-point?  And only they know the answer to that question.

 

 

David

 

I might get the Southern 630 even though it's based on the Union Pacific prototype. Might get the Lionchief Plus Southern Mikado and Burlington 4-6-4

Can you tell me where the link for the new catalog is. I can not find it on the lionel site or Legacy station site.

Thank you

John

On some items, the "no thanks" price has been reached. $649 for a diesel? Ok, for all new tooling and roadname specific details, maybe. Thats basically 3rd rail's price, so if they're going to offer road specific details and a legacy system, then maybe, since its basically on par with what 3rd rail offers you. BUT, it still makes you think twice about how badly you gotta have it, and whether you need more than one. 

Then you have the ES44s... they were $529 and $440 on the street, then they were $529 and $395 on the street, and now they're $649 for 550ish on the street (in 15V1). FOR WHAT? It sure made me balk at it, considering I bought the heritage units for 440 a piece. Whats my added value for the same model a year later at $110 more on the street? Zero.

Most of the diesels have hit their limit and jumped the shark. They're 30% more than the comparable MTH diesel for really nothing additional (unless you must have it in an orange box and run it with a knob rather than a thumbwheel). We havent seen any of these new SD40s with all the special details, so no one can say yet whether they're worth it. 

I could spring for an SD60E, but only if I see a preproduction model at York and its actually all new like they say. The rendering in the catalog already has differences from the real thing. BTO doesnt work if the catalog disagrees from the final product. We bash Atlas all the time about taking too long... they've been waiting to put out the final info on the maxi 3s until they had an actual shot model to show. That's how to do BTO.... Here it is, do you want one?

 

Can you tell me where the link for the new catalog is?

 

At nassauhobby.com tomorrow at 9am! 

Hmm, not sure yet.

 

I do know I will never spend $2000 -- or even $1000 -- for a train but that's me. Not part of my area of interest. Have my eye on some of the Lion Chief Plus items and will likely pick up the new Universal Remote.  

 

I like to look over new catalogs for a good week or so and let things percolate. Often I'll see things later that didn't catch my eye the first time around. 

I would but I got a layout to build

Oh, wow. Do you mean like the 2400 Green PW passenger cars (Maplewood, etc.)? If so, those go on the list. 

What do people guess the SD60 in "first responders" markings will bring?  My son saw this locomotive at Union Station in DC and went wild for the real thing.  That's why I ask.  Thank you.

Thank you Charlie!

Where are you folks looking at the catalog?

Lionel accidentally uploaded it yesterday. Some folks saved it before
they pulled it. Some folks are using the product search to look at some of the items that have already been put on the website.


       

Here is a link to the product info page on Lionel's web site for the SP Consolidated.  No smoking whistle...bummer.  I am a lot less interested in it now.  I had hoped for a swinging bell, oh well.

 

I will keep my fingers crossed!  On the web page, there is an artist's rendering of smoke coming out of the whistle on the FEF, but no mention of it in the features listed next to the pic.  So, yes, better to wait for the catalog!!

I think it would be useful to see the catalog before I start picking what I'm going to buy!

 

I run my trains and cars. I don't collect, so! I don't see anything I really need for my layout.

YUZ GUYZ are jumping the gun, wait for the catalog to appear on Friday, then ask

looks like the scale milk cars are back.

What new catalog?

 

The one that goes online tomorrow.  The cat snuck out of the bag yesterday and was pulled back in.

 

Rusty

It has taken them 3 years to finally to put some of them in a catalog. Some of these milks cars were announced in their shipping schedule back in October of 2012.

 

Listed below are the cars that were announced in their shipping schedule dated 10-15-12 which I copied from that. And they were listed on their shipping schedules until 12-3-12. And 2 of the cars are still using the same item numbers.

 

6-29981 Borden's Milk Car #525 Jan, 13
6-29982 Central Vermont Milk Car #525 Jan, 13
6-29983 Hood's Milk Car Jan, 13
6-29984 Supplee Milk Car Jan, 13
6-29985 Boston & Maine Milk Car Jan, 13

 

I asked about these cars at the York October 2012 meet.

 

 

Sounds like a lot of nice stuff that I'd like, but I'll wait to see the catalog, and the MTH catalog, and the Atlas O catalog before I decide.

Look up your favorite railroad in the search on the Lionel website.

 

Andrew

They were never officially "announced". They were listed on the shipping schedule by mistake, prior to their official announcement in a catalog. Then, before the catalog was issued, they had technical issues and got pulled from the catalog.

 

 

 

I'm definitely going to pre-order the new SD60e's, either the 9-1-1 or the 6920 since I have seen both. I really hope they use this horn on the SD60e's because it prototypical to most of them.

great sounds

An Espee 2-8-0... Lionel found my one weak spot!

I don't have any Lionel Legacy diesels.  However; I just noticed they are doing the First Responder diesel.  That may be my first!

Very easy for me.  At the most 1 Black 844 and maybe some scale rolling stock.

 

Did I miss the "all new" accessory?

Milk is back!!!  The Vermont and B&M milk cars for me

"Nothing for me today, thanks!"

 

The Legacy GP9's look nice and the 844 will surely be a stunner.

I'm no rivet counter but that rendition of the WM 2-8-0 bears little resemblance to the real 734.

Ok, well hold the phone.... 21" UP business train in 16V1? Yes please.

Legacy 844 with whistle steam for me !!!!!!!

 

 

alex

I'm in for the Vermont and NYC

 

Plus one of the 8 door 86ft boxcars

At first glance, nothing. Don't get me wrong, lots of cool items in there. Just nothing for me this time around. Unless the auto parts hy-cube 2 car packs are being offered again with different rode number then count me in. Also really like the SD60Es. I think Lionel will sell MANY of these. But I'll hold out to see if MTH offers them.

 

Jason

OH YEAH!

Sign me up! 

 

I could hardly contain myself when I saw that also!

 

FEFs-I've said for over a year they would be back with whistle steam...and, I'm happy to see numbers other than 844 with the catalog comment about road number specific Sellers and Worthington feedwater heaters....

Page 131.  The crane sounds work house.

 

Rusty

So far I am going for all the 86' double door cars. I think this is one of the best catalogs yet. I myself wish there would of been some more wood chip hoppers........Paul

Looks like its a Heisler and 2-8-0 consolidation for me along with a few accessories! 

No must haves, wallet may be saved till October.

 

   Bill T.

It looks like I am in for the Cass Scenic RR Heisler 6-82813.

First of all, glad the catalog is up. Wouldn't want anyone to stroke out.

 

No real "must haves" for me although I will likely get the Lion Chief Plus Universal Remote. I've already got some LC+ on preorder from Vol. 1 but will mull over what's offered this time around.

 

And have to say that some of the 115th anniversary items are attractive. Put them on the "possibles" list.

The street price on the Union Pacific EFE  isn't to bad gonna consider it ..

Love the MR E-7 but hate the price, I'm out.  Will pop for the veterans SD60.

Joe

At $1350 street, it's $200 more than the Pennsy M1A.  But hey, it's only money!    And Lionel will be more than happy to rake in the spare change. 

 

David

I really like the look of an H7, but not weathered.

I think that weathered look is WAY OVERDONE.

In another thread I said I don't ever remember steamers looking that awful dirty and rusty...of course...I did live in the Chicago suburbs.

Perhaps 1-3 cars.

 

My Cliff Notes review of the new Lionel Catalog. Just took a few seconds...

 

Diesel, Diesel, Diesel, Diesel, Diesel, Diesel, Diesel

UP, UP

No N&W 2-8-0

Nope, Nope, Nope, Nope, Nope, Nope, Nope

Maybe NPR or MILW (Stock Car)

Got that PS-1 N&W car (double check road#)

Nope, Nope, Nope, Nope, Nope, Nope, Nope, Nope, Nope

No N&W, No N&W (21" Cars)

DONE

The Milwaukee Road E-7's hit me between the eyes.  Didn't see that comming.

I'll reserve a set of those.

 

       
       



I didn't say it was good . Just it wasn't to bad..

Debating the FEF...

Will probably order the three NS special livery SD60Es

 

Just hope its a completely new tooling. 

I will order the 3 NS SD60E.

 

Lionel if you are listening please don't ship all three on the same day...I need to space them out if I want to stay married!

Im on the fence about the SD60E - Would love to see an actual model before committing to purchase one.  

 

I'm in for at least 2 of the uni body tank cars

Dont forget you can pre-order these now and get FREE shipping on all orders over 200.00! PLUS we feature LSS (trademark pending) Lightning Shipping Service!

 

 

So far the early leaders in pre-orders are the First Response SD60, FEF, Heisler, and 115th Boxcar!

The past decade has illustrated that the Signature catalogs are mostly the scale proportioned products, and this was no exception. So my time comes when the next Ready-To-Run catalog comes out next year.

 

For a company most recognized for TOY trains, Lionel has made great strides in the past 15 years on the scale end of the hobby. And considering that in Lionel's own words, that a single locomotive run of 3,000 units is an exceptionally large run for a single scale product, Lionel is going to great effort to "try" and please the scale side of the market... also considering that 3,000 units is a small run for a starter set.

 

Actually, I do understand this marketing move: In the traditional market, Lionel is competing with the entire past production on the secondary market (of which production numbers are substantial), but also K-Line, RMT, Industrial Rail, Williams, MTH Railing, Kusan/AMT, MARX, Menards and others.

 

The scale market is the new thing and although there is competition here too, the production runs are much smaller. Atlas, MTH and Weaver were operating on a BTO method long before Lionel openly started the same procedure.

 

Some have already expressed reservations though, wanting to see if these products will meet their expectations. Yet, most of the products in this catalog are under the BTO banner. So, unless folks are willing to take a chance and commit to making a purchase, the product may get cancelled.

 

I'm certain, as others have expressed, that the SD60's - especially in the various Norfolk Southern schemes are going to be popular (I'd love to see one of those paint schemes on a traditionally sized product however un-prototypical).

 

But unless folks pre-order, they're going to be left to the dealers who take a calculated risk and order extras. And I think the larger dealers who are doing this, are quickly going to figure out just how many extras they can safely order without being burned themselves since BTO moves the risk factor from Lionel itself and onto the distributors and dealers.

 

GP9 PRR with Train Phone antennas, my weakness.....I got to talk to the treasurer of my RR. Also the Pennsy flatcar with 40' Trailer. Nice catalog well done Lionel

 

JohnB

Nothing for me I will wait and catch most of this stuff at York at some time with a dealer ready to sell at a better price all I see is a lot of remakes at higher prices it just means I will keep my money and put it into my new ford mustang thanks lionel

The Missabe SD38 diesel loco is in an appealing scheme, yet the DM&IR SD9 were the ones that were most frequent on the Grand Trunk Western and the Soo Line. So I have to wait for the 3rd Rail DM&IR SD9 model.

 

The 8-Door 86' Hi-cube boxcars for SOUTHERN PACIFIC and B&O Chessie System first. The other 8-door 86' boxcars later.

 

The Englehard and GATX Uni-body tank cars.

 

 

Andrew

I didn't see these in the catalog. Were these just conjecture?

CSX and NS Bathtub Gondolas

A lot of the catalog is rehash, so I'm going to have to look and see what I have already ordered. As usual, no engines, but there are a number of cars that interest me.

Kind of liking that Southern 630 and the CV milk car. The 21 inch UP excursion cars could be interesting.