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In my never ending quest to find weird hidden Gems I just scored what I believe is a Winteringham Live Steam loco

 

Winteringham loco

There is very little info out there on them but best I can glean is they were produced by Winteringham in the UK, based on Georges Carette design and tooling after he fled Germany in the lead up to WW1, and the subsequent liquidation of assets starting in 1916, where shortly after the end of the war Bassett-Lowke bought a lot out , as Carette made a lot of tinplate for B-L before the war proper... The loco is in not too bad shape and running gear is intact and good apart from missing the actual steam piston and cylinder. Flywheel and gearing is intact and good ... I suspect sourcing a "wobbler" piston unit for it will be very hit and miss , so was wondering if anyone out there might have photos or any clue as to the power unit? Requires a safety valve on the boiler but looks like a std Mamod one will fit

 

I am aware that Mike in Ireland ( Brysons)  has one for sale , but it appears it is missing a few crucial parts as well ( the burner)  and for over $500 landed here its not really a proposition lol

In one of those mad ebay moments this was found here locally in Australia and was listed as a "Large tin push train " ... I most certainly did an enormous double take seeing it ... and there was only one other bidder who obviously didn't know what it was as I got it for the price of a pub meal !!!

Any info gratefully accepted and any leads/documentation/spares( yeh right lol ) would be appreciated .

You never know your luck in the big city

 

 

 

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If someone can measure up one that has the wobbler cylinder in place, shouldn't be to hard for someone to make you a cylinder for her.  Be great to see that engine back in operation.  I remember seeing pics of that model on a site about the history of Bassett Lowke and mentioned it was made by Wintheringham and sold thru BL.  From my reading, Bassett Lowke was more of a distributor than a producer pre WWI.  Once his source for Bing, Marklin and other German produced trains were cut off as hostilities started, BL had to turn to producing more of thier own trains instead of importing them.   

 

Yep. It has the logo in the bed of the rear hopper.... Originally when I saw it listed I was fairly sure it was a Georges Carette and was astounded at that aspect, then to finally receive it and track down that it was actually a Winteringham instead was another surprise

It was actually this photo over at Binns rd that confirmed it for me ...

Winteringham track !

There is actually one clip on youtube of the same model in action

@sncf231e Fred, its very much like the kraftlok probably because they both have the same heritage ... coming from Carette who of course supplied and worked closely with the Bing Brothers in Nurnburg ( who also bought a fair amount from the Carette liquidation apparently )

Very much the same principle of geared wobbler drive

It might be a while , but this beauty HAS to live again !

Fatman posted:
Arne posted:

Wintheringham is possible, it´s no Bing. Was sold by Bassett-Lowke in 1921, here a picture from this catalog.

 

Greetings from Germany

Arne

Arne that's brilliant !

Thank you

Arne must have the largest collection of toy train catalogues (and knows where to find things)!

Here are some pictures of the Carette version; this might help (but maybe you had found this already):

http://www.sidestreet.info/Gal.../Gallery27/Ga27.html

And the Bassett Lowke society might be of help (they helped me with information on a live steam restoration project): http://bassettlowkesociety.org.uk/

The loco is not pictured in The Bassett Lowke story, but mentioned here:

Regards

Fred

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