Panther97 posted:J Daddy posted:
Yes there needs to be interest generated to infuse more cash for all this ageing equipment. All that I see on their website is the next concert schedule for a Van Halen and Ozzy Ozbuorne tribute.
Their concert series has been a huge success.
Yes I found that out when I opened one of the closet doors in the above pictured caboose and a bunch of empty beer cans came rolling out...
Wouldn't 3750 be a better candidate for restoration back to steam? Does 3750 have less complications regarding how the work could be done? Is it a better option than 1361?
If 3750 was restored then would it be so important if 1361 was restored as well or just preserved instead?
Ukaflyer posted:Wouldn't 3750 be a better candidate for restoration back to steam? Does 3750 have less complications regarding how the work could be done? Is it a better option than 1361?
PRR 3750 would have been a better candidate in the very beginning. However, 3750 would STILL have to be brought into compliance with CURRENT FRA regulations, i.e. the firebox would have be redesigned/replaced, or simply operate it at reduced boiler pressure.
If 3750 was restored then would it be so important if 1361 was restored as well or just preserved instead?
Too big of a "what if" scenario, in my opinion.
Ukaflyer posted:Wouldn't 3750 be a better candidate for restoration back to steam? Does 3750 have less complications regarding how the work could be done? Is it a better option than 1361?
If 3750 was restored then would it be so important if 1361 was restored as well or just preserved instead?
I don't see 3750 ever leaving its comfortable indoor display. It has been saved twice by the scrapers torch and its static restoration looks outstanding at the Pennsylvania Railroad Museum.
J Daddy posted:Ukaflyer posted:Wouldn't 3750 be a better candidate for restoration back to steam? Does 3750 have less complications regarding how the work could be done? Is it a better option than 1361?
If 3750 was restored then would it be so important if 1361 was restored as well or just preserved instead?
I don't see 3750 ever leaving its comfortable indoor display. It has been saved twice by the scrapers torch and its static restoration looks outstanding at the Pennsylvania Railroad Museum.
Apparently you missed it when they moved her outside a number of years ago. She's still sitting outside, you can even see her on Google Street View in front of the museum.
Hot Water posted:J Daddy posted:Hot Water posted:J Daddy posted:It is what it is. I am not taking sides on the stigma of failure. The 1361 will not fire up without a group that is engaged in the project.... until that happens it will sit in pieces.
Raising money for a cause indeed has to be regimented but you just don't raise your hands and give up...
Just my opinion but, the major problem is STILL; what direction the "1361 group" desires to take.
1) Cosmetic restoration.
2) Make the current boiler FRA compliant at a reduced boiler pressure
3) Make the current boiler FRA compliant by expensive up-grades/repairs.
4) Make a new boiler, manufactured to current FRA regulations.
The real problem still seems to be the museum "management" desires "everything to be remain original", vs. the reality of have a functional steam locomotive in the 21st Century!
The direction and I am sure everyone will correct me if I am wrong on this, is to get it fired up and running again...
You have oversimplified "direction". In order to comply with FRA regulations, including calculating a new Form 4, they can NOT "just fire it up"!
And if it was going to be done right than there is only one direction.
NO, not really! As I posted above, there is more than one "right way" to fire it up. It all depends on how much money they can raise as well as what "direction" the museum management wants, vs. what the volunteer workers, who may be dealing with reality, want.
According to the people working on the restoration the decision is to restore the current boiler. The reason given, has to do with the shape of the belpaire firebox and the steel that connects it to the barrel of the boiler. That section happens to be a stamped piece that would require a heavy die to be made. The cost to reproduce that particular section would be quite high. This leaves the only option to replace the crown sheet and weld in the remaining sections. Not to mention they have all new tubes / flues for this boiler sitting in storage.
Yes, I think a number of the Pennsy locomotives underwent the removal of their asbestos boiler jackets. They are sitting outside, rusting, waiting for the roundhouse to be built. 
George
cta4391 posted:J Daddy posted:Ukaflyer posted:Wouldn't 3750 be a better candidate for restoration back to steam? Does 3750 have less complications regarding how the work could be done? Is it a better option than 1361?
If 3750 was restored then would it be so important if 1361 was restored as well or just preserved instead?
I don't see 3750 ever leaving its comfortable indoor display. It has been saved twice by the scrapers torch and its static restoration looks outstanding at the Pennsylvania Railroad Museum.
Apparently you missed it when they moved her outside a number of years ago. She's still sitting outside, you can even see her on Google Street View in front of the museum.
Good Lord! your right! How in the heck did she end up out there?... I even took photos of here sitting in the yard and it did not dawn on me...
I think the BB-1 Rats and the 6755 had my attention that day...
G3750 posted:Yes, I think a number of the Pennsy locomotives underwent the removal of their asbestos boiler jackets. They are sitting outside, rusting, waiting for the roundhouse to be built.
George
George - This made them safe for viewing indoors... note that there is ongoing work to preserve these locomotives in their new shop. There is talk that a round house will be built to house the outdoor locomotives in the future...
I was impressed with their new paint shop and repair facility...
Not too soon either, because old rivets is looking long in the tooth....
Fortunately during the 1361's brief rebirth in the late 1980s, it was well-documented by the faithful, fellow rail photog John Floyd caught the 1361 on a excursion out of York,PA. in August 1988.
It is passing SW9 #84 of the Maryland & PA. RR.
Yes, and I bought a video of it running and like an idiot I donated it to my train club at the time. I thought it would keep running -silly me!!
OGR Webmaster postedThat K4 embodies a tremendous amount of PRR history. If I'm not mistaken, there were more of those K4's built than any other type of steam locomotive. There was a reason why the PRR was known as the "Standard Railroad of the World."
Minor correction. The K4 class comprised 425 locomotives.
Both the L1 (574 engines) and I1 (598 engines) classes eclipsed the K4 class size.
PS: As a fellow fuddy duddy, I agree with you wholeheartedly.
Thanks loads for the photos of old 1361 !! Appreciate them. Gives one hope, at least all those loose parts are cleaned and primed. I read that some past repair work was really bad. Hope that will not occur again. Now, if only that beautiful boiler were in a repair shop !!
We are all ware of the boile problems but what is the condition of the frame, cylinders, running gear etc ?? Has any work been done on them ?? I read that Strasberg is enlarging their shop, they do boiler work-maybe they will take an IOU ??
jim pastorius posted:, they do boiler work-maybe they will take an IOU ??
I would SERIOUSLY doubt it.
Would you take an I.O.U. from a mismanaged project?
Rusty
Good evening Jim,
The frame, front pilot truck with axles and wheels, trailing truck with axle and wheels, drive wheels,axles and bearing boxes, connecting rods and valve linkages, cylinders, and I believe the cab are finished and ready to be installed.
The items are in storage close by the museum.
MarkStrittmatter posted:Good evening Jim,
The frame, front pilot truck with axles and wheels, trailing truck with axle and wheels, drive wheels,axles and bearing boxes, connecting rods and valve linkages, cylinders, and I believe the cab are finished and ready to be installed.
The items are in storage close by the museum.
I am glad, to see people talking about what is finished on this locomotive. This engine has a more things finished for it than what most people think! Even the journals are converted to roller bearings.
The only thing it lacks is finishing the boiler. It is not an impossible task but will take some effort and money to make it right! I applaud the efforts of the guys trying to get it together!
RLHarner posted:MarkStrittmatter posted:Good evening Jim,
The frame, front pilot truck with axles and wheels, trailing truck with axle and wheels, drive wheels,axles and bearing boxes, connecting rods and valve linkages, cylinders, and I believe the cab are finished and ready to be installed.
The items are in storage close by the museum.
I am glad, to see people talking about what is finished on this locomotive. This engine has a more things finished for it than what most people think! Even the journals are converted to roller bearings.
The driver axles have been converted to roller bearings? How was THAT accomplished?
The only thing it lacks is finishing the boiler. It is not an impossible task but will take some effort and money to make it right! I applaud the efforts of the guys trying to get it together!
Good evening Mr Harner,
No I don't believe the drive axles were converted to roller style bearings.
I believe it was discussed but never ever done due to the amount of reengineering and design costs to basically replace the current Pennsy design.
I could be wrong though.
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