any New Haven fans ....

My layout in the past few years has taken on a bit of a transformation. I’ve tried to go with a more rural look modeling the Rutland. I had 5 switch towers on the layout. After residing in the same spot for probably 25 years I removed my NH Buzzards Bay tower. It came up easier than I thought with a putty knife.
This kit was done by Railway Design in the 90’s. 5 resin pieces make up the bulk of the kit. This has some heft with the thick walls as shown in the picture and the solid resin roof. I plan to add lighting and interior details. I’ll rotate it out with another tower when I run my NH diesels.

My Sunset Models GP9 arrived today, and it is an absolutely fantastic model. Since the first run it looks like they added the red-orange that is supposed to be inside the steps, a very appreciated correction.

A few more photos on the GP7/9 arrival thread.

~Chris

@C.Vigs posted:

My Sunset Models GP9 arrived today, and it is an absolutely fantastic model. Since the first run it looks like they added the red-orange that is supposed to be inside the steps, a very appreciated correction.

A few more photos on the GP7/9 arrival thread.

~Chris

Absolutely beautiful!!!

Photos show my new Lionel model of New Haven Railroad Fairbanks-Morse C-Liner #792 (2233291, MSRP $599.99). The video shows today’s test run with three New Haven boxcars and a caboose on my 12’-by-8’ layout.

The New Haven Railroad acquired 2 FM C-Liners (CPA-24-5, 2400 horsepower, 5 axles) in 1950 and 8 more, including #792, in 1952. They were powered by a 12-cylinder opposed piston diesel that was used in U.S. Navy submarines during World War 2. They were geared for 107 miles-per-hour, mostly used on passenger trains, and retired in 1961.

MELGAR

@MELGAR posted:

Photos show my new Lionel model of New Haven Railroad Fairbanks-Morse C-Liner #792 (2233291, MSRP $599.99). The video shows today’s test run with three New Haven boxcars and a caboose on my 12’-by-8’ layout.

The New Haven Railroad acquired 2 FM C-Liners (CPA-24-5, 2400 horsepower, 5 axles) in 1950 and 8 more, including #792, in 1952. They were powered by a 12-cylinder opposed piston diesel that was used in U.S. Navy submarines during World War 2. They were geared for 107 miles-per-hour, mostly used on passenger trains, and retired in 1961.

MELGAR

Mel, I've got two questions about the New Haven C-liners, did they have a B-A1A truck arrangement like FL9s and why just a 9 year run before retirement, performance, maintenance, both?

@coach joe posted:

Mel, I've got two questions about the New Haven C-liners, did they have a B-A1A truck arrangement like FL9s and why just a 9 year run before retirement, performance, maintenance, both?

Joe,

Yes, the C-Liners had the same B-A1A 5-axle wheel arrangement as the New Haven EMD FL9s.

The CPA-24-5 C-Liners had a unique 12-cylinder "opposed piston" diesel motor with 2400 horsepower. This design eliminated the cylinder heads by placing two pistons with opposing motions into the same cylinder but it required two crankshafts. As the pistons moved toward each other, the air/fuel mixture was compressed and ignited, and the piston directions reversed to deliver power to the two crankshafts. This arrangement made it a complex job to overhaul the motor. On the New Haven Railroad, the C-Liner motors reputedly ran 800,000 miles between overhauls compared to 350,000 to 400,000 for an Alco motor. But, when overhauls became necessary, the expense was prohibitive and the locomotives were retired.

MELGAR

Thank you Mel, I knew you would have the answers.

It’s taken me a month to get these two New Haven diesel locomotives running together on my 12’-by-8’ layout. New Haven EMD FL9 #2043 (Sunset/3^rd Rail, 2012) has just been returned to me after repairs. New Haven Fairbanks-Morse C-Liner #792 (Lionel 2233291) a new purchase - required a return to the dealer and was exchanged. Photos and videos on my 12’-by-8’ layout.

MELGAR

They both look great Mel. Sorry that the C liner had to be exchanged.

Worth the wait IMHO.

Bob

Wow! in less than a month and a half, this topic has 29 pages.  New Haven must be popular.  My uncle gave me a NH EP5 #2350 several decades back.  About 2 years ago I stumbled onto some NH cars and ended up with a NH Rectifier, some freight cars and a caboose.  Then along came 'The Godfather', of a deal, one I could not refuse that had the Lionel ABA NH diesels, and both the 4 car and 2 car passenger sets, on epay with the 'make offer' option and my first ridiculously low,  let's see how far this rabbit hole went offer was accepted.   I had to go to the Sheriff and confess I stole them the deal was so good.    While not set in that part of the country, it is fun to get them on the rails and make miles.

@CALNNC posted:

Wow! in less than a month and a half…

Better check your calendar as the first post in this thread was made 6/28/2017

@MELGAR posted:

It’s taken me a month to get these two New Haven diesel locomotives running together on my 12’-by-8’ layout. New Haven EMD FL9 #2043 (Sunset/3^rd Rail, 2012) has just been returned to me after repairs. New Haven Fairbanks-Morse C-Liner #792 (Lionel 2233291) a new purchase - required a return to the dealer and was exchanged. Photos and videos on my 12’-by-8’ layout.

MELGAR

Beautiful, Mel. I am still kicking myself for missing the 3rd Rail NH FL9’s, not only because I love the McGinnis paint scheme, but because some of them survived to Metro North. I wish Scott would do another run. I also purchased one of the Lionel C-Liners… got to get some running time on it soon!!!

@CALNNC posted:

Wow! in less than a month and a half, this topic has 29 pages.  New Haven must be popular.  My uncle gave me a NH EP5 #2350 several decades back.  About 2 years ago I stumbled onto some NH cars and ended up with a NH Rectifier, some freight cars and a caboose.  Then along came 'The Godfather', of a deal, one I could not refuse that had the Lionel ABA NH diesels, and both the 4 car and 2 car passenger sets, on epay with the 'make offer' option and my first ridiculously low,  let's see how far this rabbit hole went offer was accepted.   I had to go to the Sheriff and confess I stole them the deal was so good.    While not set in that part of the country, it is fun to get them on the rails and make miles.

As @Training Wheels noted, the New Haven thread has been around for quite a while, but you are quite correct - New Haven is a popular road around here!!!

Sadly, @briansilvermustang, the original poster of this thread on June 28, 2017, has not made a post on the forum since January 1, 2021. I certainly would like to see more discussion on this thread. Is anyone running or buying New Haven models?

MELGAR

@MELGAR posted:

Sadly, @briansilvermustang, the original poster of this thread on June 28, 2017, has not made a post on the forum since January 1, 2021. I certainly would like to see more discussion on this thread. Is anyone running or buying New Haven models?

MELGAR

Absolutely Mel...i personally am currently constructing a pike heavily influenced by the Providence & Worcester branch of the NYNH&H as it was in the late 40s. It is housed in a 30x40 barn loft (so some space is taken up by the roof angle). The towns modeled (i.e. railroad facilities), south to north, will be Providence RI (staging, turntable, engine facility), Woonsocket RI including interchange with the Slatersville Branch, Blackstone MA including interchange with the Boston & Hartford "Midland" div, Millville MA, Uxbridge MA, North Uxbridge, and Whitins(ville) MA including interchange with the Whitin Machine Works shortline, then Worcester (staging only).  Interchanges will be represented by a lead track only and not the actual branch (except the Midland which will lead to a small staging yard eventually) - i dont have THAT much room! While the P&W was double tracked until 1951, i chose to single tracked my mainline and focused on including as many of the sidings and industries that were really there. Purchases thusfar have focused on rounding out my NH collection to include the types of engines and rolling stock that wouldve been on the P&W branch postwar but before mid 1950s.  This includes passenger to support the Worc to Prov local, the State of Maine, and milk service from the B&M interchange in Worcester (VT, NH and Maine milk to Providence RI's Hood plant and Brookside bottled milk to their warehouse).  While not a prototype modeler by any means, justifying operations with actual historical research has been a hobby all in itself.

Regards, Joe

@MELGAR posted:

Sadly, @briansilvermustang, the original poster of this thread on June 28, 2017, has not made a post on the forum since January 1, 2021. I certainly would like to see more discussion on this thread. Is anyone running or buying New Haven models?

MELGAR

Ever since my wife’s grandmother told they had family work for the New Haven. Plus on top of that I work out of the old N.H. Yard in Hartford. The humps now gone and the hump lead is now our service road. Since all this I’ve picked up the C-liner, Atlantic and a weaver rs3. The c-liner is my next big project. Next to remove the dynamic fan behind the cab due to the NH not having them.

@Farmall-Joe,

That's a very interesting and ambitious project. Please post your progress.

@Trainwreck nate posted:

Ever since my wife’s grandmother told they had family work for the New Haven. Plus on top of that I work out of the old N.H. Yard in Hartford. The humps now gone and the hump lead is now our service road. Since all this I’ve picked up the C-liner, Atlantic and a weaver rs3. The c-liner is my next big project. Next to remove the dynamic fan behind the cab due to the NH not having them.

@Trainwreck nate,

You're correct about the removal of the dynamic-brake fan. I hadn't realized that the C-Liner model is not exactly correct for New Haven. I'm always reluctant to alter models but I would like to see yours when it's done.

MELGAR

@Farmall-Joe posted:

Absolutely Mel...i personally am currently constructing a pike heavily influenced by the Providence & Worcester branch of the NYNH&H as it was in the late 40s. It is housed in a 30x40 barn loft (so some space is taken up by the roof angle). The towns modeled (i.e. railroad facilities), south to north, will be Providence RI (staging, turntable, engine facility), Woonsocket RI including interchange with the Slatersville Branch, Blackstone MA including interchange with the Boston & Hartford "Midland" div, Millville MA, Uxbridge MA, North Uxbridge, and Whitins(ville) MA including interchange with the Whitin Machine Works shortline, then Worcester (staging only).  Interchanges will be represented by a lead track only and not the actual branch (except the Midland which will lead to a small staging yard eventually) - i dont have THAT much room! While the P&W was double tracked until 1951, i chose to single tracked my mainline and focused on including as many of the sidings and industries that were really there. Purchases thusfar have focused on rounding out my NH collection to include the types of engines and rolling stock that wouldve been on the P&W branch postwar but before mid 1950s.  This includes passenger to support the Worc to Prov local, the State of Maine, and milk service from the B&M interchange in Worcester (VT, NH and Maine milk to Providence RI's Hood plant and Brookside bottled milk to their warehouse).  While not a prototype modeler by any means, justifying operations with actual historical research has been a hobby all in itself.

Regards, Joe

As Melgar points out, that's a very interesting and ambitious project.  I would also love to see any progress you make.  Will you include a model of "Purgatory Chasm" in Sutton?  The image below might be very fun with some 1:48 figures...

Steven J. Serenska

@Serenska posted:

As Melgar points out, that's a very interesting and ambitious project.  I would also love to see any progress you make.  Will you include a model of "Purgatory Chasm" in Sutton?  The image below might be very fun with some 1:48 figures...

Steven J. Serenska

Ha no, Purgatory is a bit far from the RR. I will have a representation of the canal and "triple crossing" in Millville tho (NH's Midland crosses over the P&W and the proposed Southern New England was to cross over both the NH trackage, and all 3 cross the Blackstone River).  I take it you are from the area or visited anyways?

A pair of New Haven Mountains meet on the bridge over the Scranton reverse loop with small consists. Both units are running on Legacy and somewhere behind one of them is a new Lionel FM C Liner with a  passenger train.

Ahttps://photos.app.goo.gl/mT1Uv2Lf2iQwV4ZS6

@MELGAR posted:

Sadly, @briansilvermustang, the original poster of this thread on June 28, 2017, has not made a post on the forum since January 1, 2021. I certainly would like to see more discussion on this thread. Is anyone running or buying New Haven models?

MELGAR

Absolutely, Mel - picked up these NH boxcars and caboose. Now looking for an appropriate NH freight engine with Legacy/TMCC motive power to haul them around.

@Farmall-Joe posted:

Ha no, Purgatory is a bit far from the RR. I will have a representation of the canal and "triple crossing" in Millville tho (NH's Midland crosses over the P&W and the proposed Southern New England was to cross over both the NH trackage, and all 3 cross the Blackstone River).  I take it you are from the area or visited anyways?

I live in Bristol, RI so my exposure to the New Haven is with the long defunct Providence, Warren & Bristol RR.  This RR continued freight service to Bristol, RI until 1973.  It had freight service to Warren, RI until the early 80s and was active to East Providence until the late 80s.  It is now the East Bay Bike Path.

Like many from Rhode island, I do drive to Worcester reasonably often so I'm aware of all the towns mentioned in your original post.  I look forward to seeing how it all comes out.

Steven J. Serenska

@Training Wheels posted:

Better check your calendar as the first post in this thread was made 6/28/2017

Missed that year, but it did kick it back into life a bit.

A New Haven I-5 heads a local toward New Haven on my NH- NYO&W layout. The I-5 is a Weaver product

https://photos.app.goo.gl/DzLfcPPELfU2oKhA7

@Bill Park posted:

A New Haven I-5 heads a local toward New Haven on my NH- NYO&W layout. The I-5 is a Weaver product

https://photos.app.goo.gl/DzLfcPPELfU2oKhA7

Bill. Great layout ! That loco looks more like an I4 ?

@Bill Park posted:

A pair of New Haven Mountains meet on the bridge over the Scranton reverse loop with small consists. Both units are running on Legacy and somewhere behind one of them is a new Lionel FM C Liner with a  passenger train.

Ahttps://photos.app.goo.gl/mT1Uv2Lf2iQwV4ZS6

Bill. The link to video doesn’t seem to be working. Could you try again. Would love to see

@Bill Park posted:

A New Haven I-5 heads a local toward New Haven on my NH- NYO&W layout. The I-5 is a Weaver product

Bill,

I think you mean a New Haven I-4.

MELGAR

Mel, Remember I'm old, It was an I-4 Pacific. And I am running this shot again for my friend Mr. Bill Murphy who asked me to run it again because he sai he couldn't open it the first time.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/qpShySMDzSaRNLL46

An FM C liner heads a passenger while an L-1 Mohawk hauls a string of freight and an I-4 Pacific heads a sort freight. All are running on Legacy.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/XYMMEkqEA1CdCF6D8

More New Haven action

https://photos.app.goo.gl/FmPEBGmMpd82VR3v6

@Bill Park posted:

More New Haven action

https://photos.app.goo.gl/FmPEBGmMpd82VR3v6

Bill......all three of those videos are fantastic!

Peter

Thank you Peter

During the 1950s and after the New Haven Railroad filed for bankruptcy in 1961, its passenger trains often consisted of combinations of several types of cars. Photos and videos show a consist of three types of cars pulled by EMD FL9 #2043 (model by Sunset/3^rd Rail) and Fairbanks-Morse CPA-24-5 #792 (Lionel 2233291).

New Haven #6843 is a 15-inch model of a sixty-foot coach (model by Atlas O Trainman). The New Haven railroad had 84-foot cars in the black/orange livery but I can’t verify that a 60-foot car with this road number was an actual car on the New Haven Railroad.

New Haven Great Republic is an 18-inch model of a heavyweight steel car that ran in the Yankee Clipper extra-fare train between New York and Boston beginning in 1930 (MTH Premier 20-4040 Madison Car Set, 2001).

New Haven #8204 is a model of one of 50 “American Flyer” lightweight cars built by Osgood-Bradley in 1934 and ‘35 at Worcester, Massachusetts (21-inch scale-length model by Weaver) with ten aluminum-framed windows per side.

MELGAR

@MELGAR posted:

New Haven #6843 is a 15-inch model of a sixty-foot coach (model by Atlas O Trainman). The New Haven railroad had 84-foot cars in the black/orange livery but I can’t verify that a 60-foot car with this road number was an actual car on the New Haven Railroad.

Mel

Great pics and videos as usual. According to these links,  http://www.alphabetroute.com/n...51&6824-6843.pdf, https://sites.google.com/view/...-passenger-equipment, it looks like 6483 was built as a Pullman 8100 series coach in Worcester circa 1929.  It was later converted and numbered as 6843 smoker. It was indeed 84' (but 60' over the truck centers so you can justify the model being a "60 footer" i suppose.) 

Joe

@Farmall-Joe posted:

Mel

Great pics and videos as usual. According to these links,  http://www.alphabetroute.com/n...51&6824-6843.pdf, https://sites.google.com/view/...-passenger-equipment, it looks like 6483 was built as a Pullman 8100 series coach in Worcester circa 1929.  It was later converted and numbered as 6843 smoker. It was indeed 84' (but 60' over the truck centers so you can justify the model being a "60 footer" i suppose.) 

Joe

Joe,

Thanks for the clarification.

Atlas O Trainman describes this series of models as based on a Chicago & Northwestern prototype with "full scale dimensions." There are photographs showing the red/black paint scheme on 84-foot passenger cars but I can't find evidence that the NYNH&HRR ever had similar 60-foot passenger cars. They are nicely detailed models.

MELGAR

@MELGAR posted:

During the 1950s and after the New Haven Railroad filed for bankruptcy in 1961, its passenger trains often consisted of combinations of several types of cars. Photos and videos show a consist of three types of cars pulled by EMD FL9 #2043 (model by Sunset/3^rd Rail) and Fairbanks-Morse CPA-24-5 #792 (Lionel 2233291).

New Haven #6843 is a 15-inch model of a sixty-foot coach (model by Atlas O Trainman). The New Haven railroad had 84-foot cars in the black/orange livery but I can’t verify that a 60-foot car with this road number was an actual car on the New Haven Railroad.

New Haven Great Republic is an 18-inch model of a heavyweight steel car that ran in the Yankee Clipper extra-fare train between New York and Boston beginning in 1930 (MTH Premier 20-4040 Madison Car Set, 2001).

New Haven #8204 is a model of one of 50 “American Flyer” lightweight cars built by Osgood-Bradley in 1934 and ‘35 at Worcester, Massachusetts (21-inch scale-length model by Weaver) with ten aluminum-framed windows per side.

MELGAR

Great stuff, Mel!

Peter

@MELGAR posted:

Joe,

Thanks for the clarification.

Atlas O Trainman describes this series of models as based on a Chicago & Northwestern prototype with "full scale dimensions." There are photographs showing the red/black paint scheme on 84-foot passenger cars but I can't find evidence that the NYNH&HRR ever had similar 60-foot passenger cars. They are nicely detailed models.

MELGAR

Mel

Per this document looks like probably no 60' NH coaches in the more modern era, only baggage were around 60': NH Equip List 1945 . But i do agree they are nicely detailed. I picked up an Atlas B&M 60' coach to run in my State of Maine consist.  It blends in well behind the baggage cars with the longer scale cars following afterward. I also just grabbed a Weaver B&M RPO car "3015" which, from what i've found, is a prototypically correct RPO car # in the SoM consist from Grand Central to Portland ME.

Just received long awaited Sunset RDC2. Really beautiful 21” scale model.

Here are photos of the Lionel New Haven Black Knight “Station Sounds Diner” #5241. The dialog played from the speakers features the Merchants Limited, but does not include any station names or destinations. I look forward to completing the consist with the cars still to be dlivered.

New Haven Williams GP-38 #6694 and a K-Line EP-5 Electric. Both great pullers.