Picked this up from Amazon... thanks MELGAR!!! Have just had time for a cursory glance, but looks fascinating.

On the positive side, I now know for sure that there was a NH train called the Hell Gate Express (love that name) - on the down side, not too much info on details, but might be from the days before the Osgood Bradley cars. More research is definitely in order...

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Picked this up from Amazon... thanks MELGAR!!! Have just had time for a cursory glance, but looks fascinating.

On the positive side, I now know for sure that there was a NH train called the Hell Gate Express (love that name) - on the down side, not too much info on details, but might be from the days before the Osgood Bradley cars. More research is definitely in order...

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Another real good book is "NH Color Guide to Freight and Passenger Equipment" by David R. Sweetland and Stephan Horsley. I think you can get it on Amazon too. Also look up "The New Haven Railroad's Electrified Zone" by Robert A. Liljestrand with Richard Abramson for more.

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Apples55 posted:

Picked this up from Amazon... thanks MELGAR!!! Have just had time for a cursory glance, but looks fascinating.

On the positive side, I now know for sure that there was a NH train called the Hell Gate Express (love that name) - on the down side, not too much info on details, but might be from the days before the Osgood Bradley cars. More research is definitely in order...

Another real good book is "NH Color Guide to Freight and Passenger Equipment" by David R. Sweetland and Stephan Horsley. I think you can get it on Amazon too. Also look up "The New Haven Railroad's Electrified Zone" by Robert A. Liljestrand with Richard Abramson for more.

Thanks Paul... I’ll have to check those out.

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Some pics from my visit to the Danbury Railway Museum yesterday...

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Wouldn’t want to be the carpenter who had to build all of these!!!

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Here is a link to a topic with other pics from my visit:

https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/...18#81537088126574618

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Found these on Amazon... luckily, it’s supposed to be very rainy tomorrow, so I have plenty of reading material for after I vote...

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The New Haven Railroad has always been very important to me in my childhood of the late 50’s and early 60’s.    I’m from central Connecticut and our house was by the Hartford Branch main line.   We had a siding go through our back yard that serviced a factory several miles away with coal.   I still remember the NH switcher pushing several coal cars past our house. They would always sound there horn when they rode by because the engineer knew my brothers and I enjoyed it. 

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Brian’s posts keep me busy photographing my New Haven model locomotives! It’s OK Brian – keep it up!

Brian’s photo appears to have been taken at New Haven motor storage between 1955 and 1960. An EMD FL-9 (road number illegible) is at the left of photo. Judging from the road number (?72) of the locomotive on the right, it is ALCO FA-1 472 (see my first photo below). My second photo has an ALCO PA-1 at right, but based on the grille details and road number (?72), the locomotive at right in Brian’s photo is not a PA-1.

I’m a little disappointed to see that MTH may not have the nose of the McGuiness FA-1/PA-1 paint schemes entirely correct. Actually, as I look at it now, Brian's photo has the red/orange and white bands reversed from MTH, and that is the reason for the difference. On the original McGuiness scheme, the white (side) band was at the bottom but quickly got dirty in service, so the locomotives were eventually repainted with the white band at the top and the red/orange band at the bottom - as per MTH.

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Atop the backs of benches in the main waiting room of New Haven (Connecticut) Union Station are display cases with model trains of the New Haven Railroad. They were donated in 2002 by Lawrence Scripps Wilkinson, a 1950 graduate of Yale College. The station itself is an edifice worthy of the once great New Haven Railroad.

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Apples55 posted:

Found these on Amazon... luckily, it’s supposed to be very rainy tomorrow, so I have plenty of reading material for after I vote...

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Could any of you folks that have these books tell me if there are any pictures of the NH business cars. I'm looking for a picture of Business car #3 also know as Meadowlark  from it's SP days. 

I would appreciate it. I have never found a picture of it and wondered if it might be in the books. 

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Atop the backs of benches in the main waiting room of New Haven (Connecticut) Union Station are display cases with model trains of the New Haven Railroad. They were donated in 2002 by Lawrence Scripps Wilkinson, a 1950 graduate of Yale College. The station itself is an edifice worthy of the once great New Haven Railroad.

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Hey, Melgar:

Thanks for the info behind these.  I always enjoy looking at them whenever I'm in Union Station.  It's good to know the story of how they got there.

There are also O Gauge models in Penn Station in Newark, New Jersey.  They're high on the wall just before you walk out of the platform area into the main waiting room (on the West Side of the station).

The only problem with the ones in Newark is that you have to stop in the middle of a heavily trafficked area and look way up to see them.  I always get the feeling that, when I stop like that and expose my neck, someone's going to come up behind me, put me in a choke-hold, and relieve me of my wallet...

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Apples55 posted:

Found these on Amazon... luckily, it’s supposed to be very rainy tomorrow, so I have plenty of reading material for after I vote...

 

Could any of you folks that have these books tell me if there are any pictures of the NH business cars. I'm looking for a picture of Business car #3 also know as Meadowlark  from it's SP days. 

I would appreciate it. I have never found a picture of it and wondered if it might be in the books. 

CSX;

I took a look, but no luck. The three volumes primarily show motive power. You’ve probably seen this, but this is the only reference I found on line:

https://wsrrm.wordpress.com/author/wsmuseum/

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In 1963, the bankrupt New Haven Railroad acquired 12 nearly new electric locomotives from the Norfolk & Western’s Virginian Railway at the bargain price of $300,000 total and used them to haul freight between Cedar Hill (New Haven) and Bay Ridge (Brooklyn). I'm appreciative of Mike Wolf and MTH for having made numerous models of New Haven Railroad locomotives.

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Melgar, As am I. But I still hold out hope for a RK Imp I-5. I believe it would sell out immediately given the general interest in the NY NH & H, and the activity on this thread. And while we're fantasizing, how about some of the heavy freight steam locos from the Maybrook division. Wouldn't that be cool. How many Big Boys, K -4s and Js do we need. I'd love to see an L class Santa Fe. Nothing more imposing than a ten coupled behemoth with a long drag. Ah well, maybe Christmas wishes will come true.

Yes, Tom, I would like to see some more scale-sized New Haven O gauge steam engine models. Weaver has made an I-4 Pacific and an I-5 Hudson, but I would like to have the latter from MTH. And Lionel made a USRA Mountain type that the New Haven had. The other New Haven steamer types which, as far as I know, have not yet been made as accurate scale-sized models are Atlantics, Moguls, Consolidations, Mikados and Santa Fes. Given the cost and market for such products these days, I don't expect the larger types to be produced - but maybe the Atlantics and Moguls.

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I have developed a strange love for New Haven, but please don't tell my western railroads (DRG&W, Santa Fe & Western Pacific).  Can't explain it.

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One good reason is, objectively speaking, the McGuiness livery of New Haven trains is drop dead gorgeous.

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FireOne posted:

I have developed a strange love for New Haven, but please don't tell my western railroads (DRG&W, Santa Fe & Western Pacific).  Can't explain it.

Chris S.

One good reason is, objectively speaking, the McGuiness livery of New Haven trains is drop dead gorgeous.

I totally agree, Arnold... but I have to admit that the dark green and gold is really growing on me too.

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In 1963, the bankrupt New Haven Railroad acquired 12 nearly new electric locomotives from the Norfolk & Western’s Virginian Railway at the bargain price of $300,000 total and used them to haul freight between Cedar Hill (New Haven) and Bay Ridge (Brooklyn). I'm appreciative of Mike Wolf and MTH for having made numerous models of New Haven Railroad locomotives.

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Like the paint scheme, not a fan of those “flat top” electrics.

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My MTH Premier New Haven EP3 353 sits in a case on my desk since the day I bought it.

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I need to ask what might be a dumb question but I'm asking anyway because I feel like learning this afternoon.

The question is: What was the purpose of the extended pilots with the platforms on the prototype engines?  I understand that the purpose of a pilot is to guide the locomotive into curves, but these pilots seem unique in their overall length, and the fact that a usable platform (with guardrails) was built above them.  

Wouldn't it have made sense to allow the pilot to remain, pretty much as they were, but eliminate the handrails and extend the cab out over the pilots?  Doing so would have either increased the cab space for the crew OR would have created revenue-generating baggage space for parcels and other cargo.  Sort of like having the first baggage car in the consist integral to the engine.

I should add that I realize the pilot would need to remain free swinging so either the cab or some other part would need to be articulated OR the cab would simply be "over" the pilot but not touching it.  I also realize this might introduce some untenable overhang issues but that pilot is so pronounced that I have to ask the question: Why such a large front porch?

I know I don't know the full story, so I'm asking.  Why this unusual design?

Thanks.

Steven J. Serenska

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Apples55 posted:

Found these on Amazon... luckily, it’s supposed to be very rainy tomorrow, so I have plenty of reading material for after I vote...

 

Could any of you folks that have these books tell me if there are any pictures of the NH business cars. I'm looking for a picture of Business car #3 also know as Meadowlark  from it's SP days. 

I would appreciate it. I have never found a picture of it and wondered if it might be in the books. 

CSX;

I took a look, but no luck. The three volumes primarily show motive power. You’ve probably seen this, but this is the only reference I found on line:

https://wsrrm.wordpress.com/author/wsmuseum/

Yes that is our group. It is just amazing that a SP Lark car or a New Haven business car running around for years and there are no photo's of the car.  The car is over 50% restored now so it will be photo'd alot more once we have it in full service. 

Thank you for looking. A group in california has all the corporate/ Pullman, SP photo's but I could never get a return phone call. Shore Lark has a inside photo. 

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I'm looking for a picture of Business car #3 also know as Meadowlark  from it's SP days.

Not sure this will help, but there is a picture of New Haven Business Car #2 on page 531 of "New Haven Power 1838-1968" by J. W. Swanberg. I do find photos of business cars #1, #2 and #4 in other New Haven Railroad references, but nothing on #3.

Upon further checking on the website of the New Haven Railroad Historical and Technical Association nhrhta.org, Volume 26 Issues 1 and 2 (1995) of "Shoreliner," the Association's quarterly publication, have articles containing a total of 27 pages about the history of New Haven's business cars. From the main page of the website, select "What has been published in "Shoreliner," then select "Passenger Cars" and look under Volume 26. Then look at the "contacts" page for whom to contact. These articles will probably be the best information available. Sorry, but I don't have them.

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Santa Claus delivered an A-B-A set of MTH New Haven FA-1’s Tuesday.  I’ve been wanting a set of FA’s in this paint scheme for what seemed like forever.  

I’ve also attached a photo of an earlier acquisition - an MTH New Haven GP9 in the McGinnis scheme.  I don’t dislike this paint scheme but; the earlier Hunter Green and yellow just screams class to me.

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This photo shows the New Haven Railroad's "Comet" train at the Canaan Union Depot in North Canaan, Connecticut. The train is headed southbound on the track of the former Housatonic Railroad which was leased by the New Haven in 1892 and which ran between Pittsfield, Massachusetts, Danbury and Norwalk, CT. The track in the foreground was formerly owned by the Central New England Railway which ran from Hartford, CT, across the Hudson River to Maybrook, New York and was acquired by the New Haven in 1904. The tracks crossed at a ninety-degree angle at the corner of the depot. The Canaan Union Depot was built in 1872 and retained passenger service until 1971. The elegant Victorian station was listed on the National Register of Historic Places in 1972 and was partially destroyed by fire in 2001. Rehabilitation began in 2014 and, to the best of my knowledge, is complete or nearly so. The "Comet" diesel-electric train operated on the New Haven Railroad between 1935 and 1951 - first between Providence, RI and Boston, and later in local service.

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New Haven heavyweight observation, RPO and dining cars from Golden Gate Depot are scheduled for delivery in March/April 2019.

I'm sending an email to Scott Mann/Sunset/3rd Rail requesting that he offer the Alco FA-1 diesels in either of their two earlier paint schemes. The original colors when the FA-1s were delivered in 1947 were orange and hunter green with thin silver stripes. A few years later, they were repainted in hunter green with gold stripes. It seems that almost all models of New Haven diesels are painted in the orange/black/white McGuiness scheme that was introduced in 1955. I would like to have more models in the liveries of the 1940s and early 1950s.

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