ATSF Wartime “Church Pew” caboose

After 37 HO scale caboose builds I am back to O scale again. This is probably the most unique caboose I’ve ever built. I can EB8E20ED-FDF6-4D35-8AC8-ADEFB63F888CEA852616-6F44-4A6B-B9B9-C9A90DC4FE9Aimagine how miserable it would be riding atop this thing in the August southwest. The cinders and dust would have been almost unbearable. In the winter time that smokestack would have been rough too.

 

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Malcolm welcome back, it's great to see your fantastic workmanship again. My all time favorite caboose is the Akron Canton and Youngstown bay window I got from you. Has to be one of the best on the planet!

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coach joe posted:

Very interesting.  I'm sure the originals were the brainchild of some penny pinching RR exec, re-purpose an old freight car into a cabin car on the cheap.  Nice work as always Malcolm.  Good to have you back.

From what I remember reading, these were wartime rebuilds.  Expediency, material shortages and increased traffic are the reason these were built.

Rusty

coach joe posted:

Very interesting.  I'm sure the originals were the brainchild of some penny pinching RR exec, re-purpose an old freight car into a cabin car on the cheap.  Nice work as always Malcolm.  Good to have you back.

Nope, as stated earlier there were plenty of boxcar cabooses/cabins during World War II.   Shortages of materials as well as wartime priorities made for many creative ways to save man hours and materials.   Think of the common NX23 Pennsy boxcar cabin made by adding porthole windows as well as a small bay window to an X23 single sheathed box car.

Interesting concept, it's cupola seating without the protective cupola.  Must have been interesting getting up and down during train movement and I can't imagine being up there with slack action banging that car around. 

Would be great to know what type of service they were used in to make more sense of the Santa Fe's idea.

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Rusty Traque:   Great find !

Rock Island had similar "war emergency" converted boxcars, with open roof seating. Believe it was Al Kamm Sr who built a model of one, in an article in Model Railroader, in the late '50's.

Pennsy, Burlington, Northern Pacific and Nickel Plate converted boxcars into cabooses, during WWII. Any other roads?

Thanks everyone. These are my last ones to build. I have 14 O scale and 17 HO scale cabooses to finish and I am retiring. I have a long list of things I want to build for myself and I need the time to work on my own layout. I would like to get it finished (if you ever really finish a layout) while I am on the right side of the grass. 

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Brother_Love posted:

Thanks everyone. These are my last ones to build. I have 14 O scale and 17 HO scale cabooses to finish and I am retiring. I have a long list of things I want to build for myself and I need the time to work on my own layout. I would like to get it finished (if you ever really finish a layout) while I am on the right side of the grass. 

Oh no...say it isn't so, Malcolm!  I was hoping to have you build me one more before you called it quits.  Are you sure you can't add just ONE more to your 31-caboose build list...LOL?? 

Regardless, it's really great to see you posting on the Forum again, Malcolm!  I sure hope you share some (or all) of those builds-as well as your future layout construction-with us here.

Joe A.

Enjoying this Great Hobby in memory of Dad & Pop...the "original Joe's" responsible for my interest in trains!!

Just because you are retiring from your building business means you will have more time to show us what you are building for your own layout.  Your great works helps all of us improve our own projects. Please don't stop showing this great modeling skills you have.

Dick

Dick Donaway

VietNam Veteran

That's right. Here's some info from a sale site.

"This item is a brass HO Scale model of a Santa Fe Railroad caboose with open air seats. During World War II the Santa Fe got very short on cabooses. To alleviate the situation they converted a number of old boxcars to cabooses by sheathing over the side doors and adding small width side doors, windows in the sides and ends in addition to the usual stoves, desks, and other paraphernalia common to cabooses, but rather than adding a cupola on the cars they added four “park benches” with two facing in each direction. A total of 165 temporary cars were built from selected 36’ wood sheathed box cars from the Bx-W, X, Y, Z, 15, and 17 classes. They retained their truss rod underframes, reverse corrugated or Dreadnaught steel ends and Andrews trucks of their box car origins. They were assigned vacant numbers in the 700, 800 and 900 series made available by the scrapping of 1905-1915 era side-door cars. The model was built in Korea by Samhongsa and imported by Key Imports. The model is in mint condition as is the box and foam in which it was received from the importer."

Mark

Just ran across a picture of a ATSF waycar with roof top seating (The Iron Horse at War - Valle - p. 186).

The picture caption notes that these waycars would have been used for single state branch line local run service only (to stay clear of federal regulations).

Brother_Love posted:

Finished! Thanks for all the input. I had 2 more cut out and will finish them after my next surgery and before retirement.8851D49B-0EEB-45CE-8F26-5A2DA424514FB200F44B-E56C-4DF0-88DC-81D0EE3493F8BF7711A2-1490-4DC2-B789-BD226C9D3B1B59DF1269-0DB9-464A-AF48-0FEE4ADA4168

More fantastic craftsmanship!  I am happy and proud of my two cads and the N&W dynamometer car you made for me.

The best with your surgery.  Myself, I am six + weeks PostOp so know how it is.

Ron

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