@Norton posted:This is ten years before Lionel’s Vision 700E that came with the swinging bell. Not sure there is room for one here as a couple of boards would have to added to accomplish that. Have done it on two other engines though, a K-Line Mikado and a KTM H10a Mikado converted to three rail.
Live steam fan here too but no live steamers.
Pete
Thanks for clarifying Pete. It was your K-Line Mikado I was thinking of that you did the post on.
@eddie g posted:1938 700E. That's the only real Hudson.
If you don’t have one that fell apart from zinc rot.
I have a soft spot for streamlined Hudsons…
Both of these are Lionel - the Dreyfuss is from the early 2000’s and the ESE is a Legacy version from a few years ago.
That being said, I have two others which hold a special place in my heart - the 783 and 785 from the mid 80’s. Unlike any steamers I had up to that point, these were more detailed, closer to scale (which made all my freight cars look small in comparison), and had (for the time) amazing sound!!! While they are now conventional shelf queens, I won’t be parting with them.
I love my Proto 1 MTH J1e. @harmonyards is working on a basket case Lionel Legacy J3 for me . If it runs and performs like Pat says it does I’m sure it will become my favorite
My 2065 from 1954. It will be in my casket
I'm surprised no one mentioned, to my eyes, one of the most handsomest streamlined Hudson ever built which is the Chicago & Northwestern's E4 Hudson.
MTH maid it in PS-1 and PS-2.
Can you imagine the prototype one coming at you with its 84-inch drivers.
russ
@Norton posted:This is ten years before Lionel’s Vision 700E that came with the swinging bell. Not sure there is room for one here as a couple of boards would have to added to accomplish that. Have done it on two other engines though, a K-Line Mikado and a KTM H10a Mikado converted to three rail.
Live steam fan here too but no live steamers.
Pete
You forgot to say Pete, "Bell, we don't need no swinging bell."
While such features may make any engine seem better, dare I say that the Hudson has a beauty all its own(if detailed or even heavy on them). As long as it doesn't have the wrong paint job, or stuff in the wrong place, a Hudson is in a class by itself(IMO).
I love my Lionel 6-18005 700E # 5340 Pure and simple But Hudson beautiful Despite its crummy rail sounds which I'll upgrade
I love my A. C. Gilbert American Flyer #326, has smoke, choo-choo and smokes great.
@Bob is cool! posted:I love my Lionel 6-18005 700E # 5340 Pure and simple But Hudson beautiful Despite its crummy rail sounds which I'll upgrade
Lionel did a great job on this model. I run mine whenever I want to hear the buzz of an E-unit. Sometimes, simpler is better for me.
@Norton posted:I have a few Hudsons, NYC and others including brass models but my favorite is this Lionel TMCC J3a. Strong reliable runner, built like a tank, with good detail that I added a bit more to.
Pete
Yeah, the Lionel J3a has the "stance" that brings out that NYC Hudson (and particularly J3) "compact huskiness" better than most others. The NYC Hudsons, like other NYC steamers, were not really huge locomotives, per their wheel arrangements.
The MTH 1:32 J3a also gets it just right. I have one on display; has never turned a wheel.
Footnote: 3- 4 hours ago, I sold the first Dreyfuss Hudson I ever owned at an area train show - an 80's Williams early brass one. Still ran, with original clicking relay-type "electronic" e-unit. These locos get a bad rap that they do not generally deserve - sort of delicate, but if you treat them like models and not like a Post War super-tough toy, they do well enough, and were the cat's meow for 3RO at the time. (There are a few proportion issues in the front end.)
what all did you add and where did you the the add ons
@BlueComet400 posted:Lionel did a great job on this model. I run mine whenever I want to hear the buzz of an E-unit. Sometimes, simpler is better for me.
At my local train store(which I was there today), Tony had a 18005 in a display case. He had told me that whomever he got it off of, added some more detail to it. I've no idea what though.
@Norton posted:I have a few Hudsons, NYC and others including brass models but my favorite is this Lionel TMCC J3a. Strong reliable runner, built like a tank, with good detail that I added a bit more to.
Pete
Pete, I really have an appreciation for your added Pyle headlight detail - it really gives this model the ‘NYC Hudson’ look. It may be a minor detail ‘miss’ to most, but to some of us the Sunbeam headlight Lionel used was a disappointment. The J-3’s never had them. This is my favorite model as well and it gets plenty of run time. Beautiful model and upgrades Pete!
My favorite, a 785 "enhanced" Hudson with scale pilot, gray steam chest, mated to a die cast scale tender (mfg. unknown) repainted gray as close as we could get to the locomotive's gray, and dry transfer lettering by Janice Bennet.
The tender's wheels are two rail with scale flanges, yet, the die cast body is so heavy, it tracks perfectly on my K-line shadow rail tubular track and switches.
@OddIsHeRU posted:My favorite, a 785 "enhanced" Hudson with scale pilot, gray steam chest, mated to a die cast scale tender (mfg. unknown) repainted gray as close as we could get to the locomotive's gray, and dry transfer lettering by Janice Bennet.
Nice - have you thought about adding some piping detail to make it more like the 1-700E, to continue the project? These respond well to ERR AC Commanders, too - they have good gearing.
I hav one from back in the day. The gray - though "wrong" - just looks right.
I've always wondered why the grey Hudson?
All of them in their own unique way!
@Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:I've always wondered why the grey Hudson?
I think they all pay homage to the pre war 763 with the tinplate tender. Even MTH did one in the early 2000s.
Pete
@Norton posted:I think they all pay homage to the pre war 763 with the tinplate tender. Even MTH did one in the early 2000s.
Pete
Would the tender on that be the Vanderbilt tender(which the Central actually never used)?
@Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:Would the tender on that be the Vanderbilt tender(which the Central actually never used)?
Dave it used a tinplate tender, no pretension to anything scale. Likely looked better with a set of big tinplate cars. Just google Lionel 763. Can’t post pics here as you know.
Pete
@Norton posted:Dave it used a tinplate tender, no pretension to anything scale. Likely looked better with a set of big tinplate cars. Just google Lionel 763. Can’t post pics here as you know.
Pete
When I was at the Toy Train Museum a few years back, they did have one of the 763's behind in a case. Not sure what exact version of the 763 it was, but this particular one did have the Vandy Tender on it. I suspect though that all sorts of tenders would be behind these through whatever production runs were made. I believe a couple of months maybe more eBay had the tinplate MTH version of the Hudson, with a Vandy Tender as well.
Ironically, when Lionel released the Commodore Vanderbilt in the 90's, I saw that they were also making the 763(following catalog I believe). I told my dealer Jack at the time, I definitely wanted both. Jack being an old railroad man did tell me that the Central never had the Vandy Tender, but that it would certainly be(and is) a beautiful model.
Pat has my 763, and I told him I wanted to keep the tender because I like it. He is going to change the road number though as 5344 I fell in love with the MTH version with the PT Tender. Another project for @harmonyards Pat down the road.
One thing is for sure, I'll be making quite a few Hudson requests to Pat(along with other Central engines) in the future. 🐻🐻😆😆
Pete, I actually took this picture in 2018 at the TTM before that October York. I was amazed to see this engine behind in the case.
Subsequently, it was not there the following year, as either it was rotated out or something else.
@Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:Would the tender on that be the Vanderbilt tender(which the Central actually never used)?
The 763 has a bit of a weird production timeline. It did have the sheet metal Vanderbilt tender when it first came out, but Lionel swapped it for a more realistic die cast coal tender in 1940, and then Lionel changed the color to black the following year for the remainder of its production.
The version in gray with the gray coal tender is probably the most prized and difficult to acquire of all regular production Lionel Hudsons. Maybe second only to the kit-form 700E in unbuilt condition. Just the tender in Like-New condition with a crisp original box sold on Stout's last month for $3000.
Dave, this is first time I made the connection of the modern 763 with Vanderbilt tender and the pre war engine, likely due to the 5344 cab number. Always wondered why the non prototypical tender. Now I know.
Pete
@Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:I've always wondered why the grey Hudson?
The story as I have heard it is that Lionel did offer a 763 in kit form - the item number had a "K" suffix - and that it came primed in gray. Lots of guys did not want to paint them (this was long before common - or any? - spray paint can technology), or just liked the gray look. So the "gray Hudson" model became a thing. So I understand.
I have seen one assembled long ago and left gray. Looked good - a kinda weathered vibe.
Then H. Dreyfuss sealed the Gray NYC Hudson deal in 1938.
KLine Hudson was my 1st scale model and still like itt.
@Norton posted:Dave, this is first time I made the connection of the modern 763 with Vanderbilt tender and the pre war engine, likely due to the 5344 cab number. Always wondered why the non prototypical tender. Now I know.
Pete
I did not know this either, …….but it makes perfect sense….I never put the two & two together,……
Pat
@Norton posted:Dave, this is first time I made the connection of the modern 763 with Vanderbilt tender and the pre war engine, likely due to the 5344 cab number. Always wondered why the non prototypical tender. Now I know.
Pete
@harmonyards posted:I did not know this either, …….but it makes perfect sense….I never put the two & two together,……
Pat
I wish I had taken a much better picture back then, but alas when you're excited, you go crazy I suppose.
@Mikado 4501 posted:The 763 has a bit of a weird production timeline. It did have the sheet metal Vanderbilt tender when it first came out, but Lionel swapped it for a more realistic die cast coal tender in 1940, and then Lionel changed the color to black the following year for the remainder of its production.
The version in gray with the gray coal tender is probably the most prized and difficult to acquire of all regular production Lionel Hudsons. Maybe second only to the kit-form 700E in unbuilt condition. Just the tender in Like-New condition with a crisp original box sold on Stout's last month for $3000.
Very interesting too.
@D500 posted:The story as I have heard it is that Lionel did offer a 763 in kit form - the item number had a "K" suffix - and that it came primed in gray. Lots of guys did not want to paint them (this was long before common - or any? - spray paint can technology), or just liked the gray look. So the "gray Hudson" model became a thing. So I understand.
I have seen one assembled long ago and left gray. Looked good - a kinda weathered vibe.
Then H. Dreyfuss sealed the Gray NYC Hudson deal in 1938.
I do remember reading quite some time ago(not sure which magazine) about the different suffixes and what each of them meant. Someone has on Ebay something that they(700E w/700T Tender) suspect could be a 700K they say. I don't know all the in's and out's, but I thought there were stamps, or plates somewhere on the engine and or tender to indicate if it was a 700E or one of the other suffixes which escapes me. The person is asking for $4K.
@eddie g posted:1938 700E. That's the only real Hudson.
I thought that the 700E was made in 1937.
My favorite is the 6-18005 #5340 scale Hudson since the anticipation waiting for it to arrive was so exciting. And after unboxing, realized how beautiful it was and still is.
@Bob Paris posted:My favorite is the 6-18005 #5340 scale Hudson since the anticipation waiting for it to arrive was so exciting. And after unboxing, realized how beautiful it was and still is.
Yup. This one (why did cut off his butt?) also has an AC Commander, RS and e'coupler. No weathering is planned.
Not done by me, though I usually do my own. The smoke unit did die fairly soon - I suspect that, as it was not designed in the 18V command control era, the high voltage did it in. It was left on track power rather than ERR board-controlled.
Not a problem - I tend to leave them off when possible.
Admittedly, I am very arm-chair about my 3-rail interests... but I do like (postwar) traditional sized 3-rail and Postwar Lionel.
Of all of them, I too, think the 2065 is my favorite Hudson. I don't know why for sure... but I think it may be that feed water heater.
A Red Ball freight headed west pounds by WB Tower as it storms its way out of the city...
Andre
Wow, the pictures on these two pages are amazing, there are so many hudson models to choose from, and Harmonyards and Norton have many of these beautiful models. I have been blessed to have had a model of the K-Line J1e with TMCC version go through a total rebuild at the Harmon Shops…. Pat is a MasterModeler of these locomotives. I have had the Lionel VisionLine version, but I prefer the K-Line model that’s been re-built by the Harmon Shops better, it’s a stump puller.Happy Railroading Everyone 
Larry, Everytime you post that beautiful modified K-Line masterpiece by Pat, I get goosebumps. Pat and I have chatted so many times about that particular model that I think you would have about half a magazine on that alone. Looking at that and the MTH #5344 with the PT Tender, they almost look like the same engine(just the engine, not the different tenders). I'm sure that the details between the two may not be equal, but after Pat worked on that one, maybe very close, eh?
@harmonyards, what do you say Pat, close or not so much?
@Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:Larry, Everytime you post that beautiful modified K-Line masterpiece by Pat, I get goosebumps. Pat and I have chatted so many times about that particular model that I think you would have about half a magazine on that alone. Looking at that and the MTH #5344 with the PT Tender, they almost look like the same engine(just the engine, not the different tenders). I'm sure that the details between the two may not be equal, but after Pat worked on that one, maybe very close, eh?
@harmonyards, what do you say Pat, close or not so much?
The Kline boiler detail beats out the MTH. ….if you look closely enough, Kline captured more detail then any die cast model, and some brass Hudsons for that matter……On the Kline you can even see the nut & bolt detail of the outer jacket clamps atop the boiler. The only thing that MTH has over the Kline model is the lubricator link arm. But when we use the MTH chassis under the Kline boiler, we get the win, …….if you look at Larry’s last picture, you can see the lubricator link arm going to the box, just aft & above of the valve stem.
Pat
@Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:Larry, Everytime you post that beautiful modified K-Line masterpiece by Pat, I get goosebumps. Pat and I have chatted so many times about that particular model that I think you would have about half a magazine on that alone. Looking at that and the MTH #5344 with the PT Tender, they almost look like the same engine(just the engine, not the different tenders). I'm sure that the details between the two may not be equal, but after Pat worked on that one, maybe very close, eh?
@harmonyards, what do you say Pat, close or not so much?
Let’s not forget one of your soon to be favorite Hudsons Dave!….your C&O Hudson rivals only one made in brass!….sweat the details, …….the custom made roller rod bearing arrangement sets this 490 far away from the crowd,…..less like a toy, more like a model,…😉
Pat 
Nice to see the eastern Hudson, some are really nice looking, like the C&O.
But for me it's still the midwestern CB&Q S class Hudsons. I have an HO brass and 3rd Rail O guage. The "Q" streamlined 2 of these in Stainless Steel and called it Aeolus. These pulled everything from the stainless steel Zephyrs to heavy weight consists.
And lets not forget the Canadian Pacific Hudsons. WOW these are on the top of my list of favorites. One day I hope to own add a scale version to my fleet.
RAY
Pat, I'll have to view Larry's engine on my laptop. I can't get the nice detailed view on my phone. I've been running around and have more to do outside with the rest of today. I'll have to kick myself to make sure I look before I hit the bed.
I haven't forgotten about #490. It is truly going to be yet another one of your masterpieces when it is done along with the cars that go with it.
I don't know if the streamlined Chicago & Northwestern Hudson was mentioned yet(believe though it may have been in the Hudsonfest pictures). The C&NW had come up when I was looking at the Weaver New Haven I5's some months back. I want to say when I was a younger man that I had seen in a magazine the promo for the passenger train(don't remember if it was for the actual or the model).
@Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:Pat, I'll have to view Larry's engine on my laptop. I can't get the nice detailed view on my phone. I've been running around and have more to do outside with the rest of today. I'll have to kick myself to make sure I look before I hit the bed.
I haven't forgotten about #490. It is truly going to be yet another one of your masterpieces when it is done along with the cars that go with it.
I don't know if the streamlined Chicago & Northwestern Hudson was mentioned yet(believe though it may have been in the Hudsonfest pictures). The C&NW had come up when I was looking at the Weaver New Haven I5's some months back. I want to say when I was a younger man that I had seen in a magazine the promo for the passenger train(don't remember if it was for the actual or the model).
Believe it or not, the CNW Hudson is one I don’t have either,……someday!!…..sounds like an interesting locomotive to do a project on…….on top of all the other things in the pipeline……
Pat
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