Lionel 2021 Catalogs in early (?)

They will not publish online till 22nd

Start looking on Ebay for 'sneak previews' I guess.

lots of fantasy Paint schemes. Prr, Santa Fe, Acela.  UP turbine in Alaska paint scheme. Mohawks in a pace maker scheme. They must have had a lot of fun.

Since Lionel can't seem to get prototypical paint schemes correct, why not paint everything fantasy?  Nobody can complain that the paint is wrong since it never existed.  Paint problem solved! 

Genius.

@Slipskull posted:

lots of fantasy Paint schemes. Prr, Santa Fe, Acela.  UP turbine in Alaska paint scheme. Mohawks in a pace maker scheme. They must have had a lot of fun.

Seriously? Or you just guessing?

Where is the Mohawk?

Our hobby shop called us today, so off to Nashville we go in the morning. It’s one of the best times of year there is, sitting back in the recliner, a cup of coffee, and total involvement in the newest and greatest toy train book ever. It takes our minds off everyday situations that we have no control over, and that’s why our model railroads are Our best friends. It’s the best hobby I know of. Happy Railroading Everyone

Larry,

Your train room should receive some sort of award!

The more fantasy [island] schemes, the more I can save for the GGD Amtrak scale Amfleet and Viewliners! Maybe Scott will announce Superliners as well this year!

Any postwar inspired sets? Thanks for the images by the way!

Any American Flyer?

@Randy_B posted:

Any postwar inspired sets? Thanks for the images by the way!

Not that I could see. But I always seem to miss things.

Any subways? What kind of freight and passenger cars are being offered?

@Slipskull posted:

Not that I could see. But I always seem to miss thinks.

Any more legacy steam or is that it? I was trying to imagine what the Mohawk in Pacemaker paint would look like and that wasn't it, lol!

Well, I hope there are some Amtrak Acelas in there, haha

although having the Acela back is nice, i don't get why they had to make a polar express version, but hey, maybe I just have no soul.

Is there a prototypical Acela?

I will have to get my copy tomorrow.

Is there f40s for ski train?

@Slipskull posted:

Didn’t see any subway cars not very many passenger cars just a couple of passenger sets. some nice fright cars.

Any cars for the NH PAs?

Are the gondola cars new tooling or some they acquired from Weaver, etc.?

Nothing of interest so far.

I don't see anything I want on those pages.  I see LVC alongside Bluetooth on each page.  What is LVC? 

LVC Lionel Voice Control

Neal Jeter

Odd the veranda photos are gone

calling my hobby shop tomarrow

can't wait to see the lc2.0 stuff and american flyer

Very interesting to see the New Hope and Ivyland set... I always saw this as a niche operation compared to other tourist lines.

@Mark Boyce posted:

I don't see anything I want on those pages.  I see LVC alongside Bluetooth on each page.  What is LVC?

A close look at the LVC logo shows a face with a mouth open and sound waves coming out.

Lionel Voice Command??

@WesternMaryland1201 posted:

although having the Acela back is nice, i don't get why they had to make a polar express version, but hey, maybe I just have no soul.

Did they get Tom Hanks.."All Aboard, this is the Broken Express."

Scott Smith

Thanks for the preview, but so far most of what I see is a bit beyond my budget.

Can I ask the voice command to cut the prices by 50%?

@Lionlman posted:

LVC Lionel Voice Control

Neal Jeter

Woah!!!   I’ll have to read up on that.  Thank you Neal!

@RickO posted:

A close look at the LVC logo shows a face with a mouth open and sound waves coming out.

Lionel Voice Command??

Rick, I tried looking at it close, but couldn’t make it out!  I need new glasses!  😄  Thank you!!!

@scott.smith posted:

Can I ask the voice command to cut the prices by 50%?

You can but the reply will be laughing.  

The blue comet camelback is pretty cool! I was hoping for a remake of the PRSL version when I saw them, but I’ll take the Blue comet version.

No milk cars?

@Slipskull, thanks for posting the catalog pages.  I would not believe there was a PolEx Acela if I hadn't seen these pages myself!! Still not sure I believe it! (And for $2500 I probably won't need to believe it unless I hit the Powerball )

Nothing yet seen that's of great interest.  Nice that camelbacks being offered w/ Legacy & whistle steam ...but at $650 MSRP, I'll happily stick w/ my two TMCC versions.  The modern powered (Acela?) Polar Express is interesting to see offered but again at a steep price and 0-72 minimum curve that approaches what I paid for my first car in the '80's which IIRC had a tighter turning radius.  Maybe it's the almost yearlong covid experience funk talking (or could be I've come to realize I have more than enough stuff acquired over the last 20yrs and for me, today's pricing structure has taken some of the shine off the new catalog aspect of the hobby.  I'll likely look to direct more time into improving the layout and performing routine maintenance tasks.  Hopefully in 6 to 9 months we'll see the return of train shows/meets that will rekindle my fire, although I think my eye will be favoring pre-war or modern tinplate.

We are arguably in the era of the big (wish book size) catalog that offers many items but contingent on a designated amount of confirmed pre-orders.  With Lionel's de-facto return to the lone mass-marketer of O-gauge, it'll be interesting to see how this plays out over the next 3 to 7 years.

I really like the Polar Acela, and the MR, and the SF..... also really looking forward to the SD70ACe in ACL, SF and Monon.

The DETROIT AND MACKINAC double-door 50' box cars are what I need. I like the Port of Tillamook Bay cars.

The Rio Grande and Western Pacific 'Beer Cars" are what I would like to get.

Andrew

Where'd the Veranda and other Acela photos go?

@HustleMuscle400 posted:

Where'd the Veranda and other Acela photos go?

They were removed.

https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/...7#153322190267255787

Well that's a bummer

Looks like a really fun catalog.  I find myself more and more attracted to some of the fantasy paint schemes.  Just imagine, a 2-10-10-2 locomotive with warbonnet paint scheme!

Gotta love it!

Don

i am more excited for this catalog than last year

If the Halloween 4-6-0 Camelback comes with a great fantasy sound package, I just may order my first Legacy steam engine.

Thanks for the catalog hints...

I am trying to thin out the stable, however I have to order the Frank Swafford SD70ACe B&O for sure, and the SD70ACe Canadian Pacific and the cabeese. 

LC+ K4's and RS3's in the O Gauge line. I'll get a K4.

Any modern diesels besides the SD70ACEs?

Bill

Anything Strasburg (scale, not Traditional)?

@scott.smith posted:

Did they get Tom Hanks.."All Aboard, this is the Broken Express."

Scott Smith

Scott you seem bitter.

As for the pictures being deleted, at first I thought it was probably the right thing to do but in reality, they'll just get posted somewhere else.  Why drive the traffic away unless Lionel has an issue with it being a sponsor but then they would have to try to have the other forums remove them as well.  It's not OGR's or the folks posting the pictures fault that the catalogs are on the streets already.

I remember 1 year Lionel did an awesome job of holding a catalog release that wasn't full of leaks.  Now it seems there are just too many holes in that dike to keep plugging.

@Mark Boyce posted:

Woah!!!   I’ll have to read up on that.  Thank you Neal!

Lionel announces voice control of trains! | O Gauge Railroading On Line Forum (ogaugerr.com)

@Mark Boyce posted:

Woah!!!   I’ll have to read up on that.  Thank you Neal!

It has more to do with the app than the engines themselves since it's compatible with all the previous Bluetooth engines.  Seems the app will "Alexify" your voice and send out the appropriate commands.

Man, I wish I could see the Verandas and Acelas in that catalog.

@Keith L posted:

Lionel announces voice control of trains! | O Gauge Railroading On Line Forum (ogaugerr.com)

Thank you for the link, Keith!  I certainly missed that one.  I'm not surprised the announcement received very mixed reviews here on OGR Forum.    I did not comment over there to reopen a can of worms.    I can see it has value to anyone who wants to embrace it, young or old.  It you don't want to use the feature, you don't have to.

@MartyE posted:

I suspect it has more to do with the app than the engines themselves since it's compatible with all the previous Bluetooth engines.  Seems the app will "Alexify" your command and send out the appropriate commands.

Thank you, Marty.  What you said makes sense indeed.  It is the app that is communicating with the engine, whether the app takes it's instructions from the touch screen or the mic and voice recognition will be irrelevant to the engine.  Referring to the previous topic Keith linked, it doesn't add to the cost of the engine like some would think.  I recall when you demonstrated the then new LCS over at Patrick H's house a few years ago.  I think a lot of folks are now using it who thought they never would back then.

@Peter Araujo posted:

Man, I wish I could see the Verandas and Acelas in that catalog.

I was thinking about a S1 from the previous catalog but since the appearance of the Veranda, that ship will sail without me.  Still won't be a pre-order but if it delivers as depicted I'll get one.

@prr4935 posted:

Anything Strasburg (scale, not Traditional)?

There's a Strasburg camel back i saw and Strasburg SW8 I heard of but not seen

Here you go: I just made a YT video about Lionel's Voice Control.

Gary 🚂

@Peter Araujo posted:

Man, I wish I could see the Verandas and Acelas in that catalog.

Same here but unfortunately I've no option of getting a printed copy. As far as "previews" from other sources go, I think MartyE hit the nail on the head but I'm not going to bash Lionel for creating a little (very temporary) suspense!

@tom21pa posted:

There's a Strasburg camel back i saw and Strasburg SW8 I heard of but not seen

Thanks.  Was hoping for the rumored scale steamer that is actually on the Strasburg, e.g. #90 or #475.  Had my MTH Premier Strasburg 64' Woodsided passenger cars running under the tree this year and look forward to an appropriate motive power someday.

I think there maybe more to the voice control than Howard eluded too. Just my feeling.

Just as I expected so far, allot of fantasy items and very high prices. I used to look forward to this catalog but unfortunately no more.

Dave

@MartyE posted:

I think there maybe more to the voice control than Howard eluded too. Just my feeling.

Time will tell.

if the veranda rumor is true i wonder if they will be diecast like the last release or plastic bodied

@david1 posted:

Just as I expected so far, allot of fantasy items and very high prices. I used to look forward to this catalog but unfortunately no more.

Dave

Any traditional sized trains?

@paigetrain posted:

if the veranda rumor is true i wonder if they will be diecast like the last release or plastic bodied

It said diecast in catalog.  Prr, alaska, up, and others with super Bass auxiliary tenders

@Madockawando posted:

Any traditional sized trains?

They say RS-3's and K4s in the LionChief Plus 2.0 line!

Jon

@KOOLjock1 posted:

They say RS-3's and K4s in the LionChief Plus 2.0 line!

Jon

thats it no 2.0 sets?

The ACL #1504!!!

I cannot believe it. Finally! I will order that as soon as I can.

@WesternMaryland1201 posted:

although having the Acela back is nice, i don't get why they had to make a polar express version, but hey, maybe I just have no soul.

Nice to see a parts source for existing ones.  Should allow upgrading

@RickO posted:

A close look at the LVC logo shows a face with a mouth open and sound waves coming out.

Lionel Voice Command??

This will only be of real value if LVC recognizes "Oh, s**t!" as a "shutdown" command.

@HustleMuscle400 posted:

Where'd the Veranda and other Acela photos go?

You know, I'd actually be substantially tempted by a Veranda Turbine in a General Electric demonstrator scheme, as I am far more interested in these locomotives than I am in the UP, as such.

GE built  all the UP's GTELs, and did indeed paint the first GTEL for the UP (UP never owned it, though) in a GE scheme, before it went yellow.

@D500 posted:

You know, I'd actually be substantially tempted by a Veranda Turbine in a General Electric demonstrator scheme, as I am far more interested in these locomotives than I am in the UP, as such.

GE built  all the UP's GTELs, and did indeed paint the first GTEL for the UP (UP never owned it, though) in a GE scheme, before it went yellow.

Your wallet is safe D. No GE but 6 other fantasy schemes.

Pete

i hope there is plenty of starter sets too

Any other passenger cars in there?

@Norton posted:

Your wallet is safe D. No GE but 6 other fantasy schemes.

Pete

A relief. A disappointment. Much like my PRR S-1 6-4-4-6 Pilot version that did not show up in the last catalogue.

But, that Pacemaker L2a Mohawk...aren't there laws against that? And a train to go with it!

And, Lionel - how about a full-valve-geared and can-motored version of your "old" L3a Mohawk? MTH-facilitated or not, that was way before Korea Brass and lawsuits.

I have to say I learned something thanks to the catalog. I had never heard of the Cardinals train. I first thought it said the Cardinal, now an Amtrak train. I saw the red cars and thought is was another fantasy scheme, then discovered the train existed if only for a few weeks. Lionel's version is somewhat accurate even to the cab number on the NYC Pacific. At nearly 2900 bucks for an engine and 7 cars I will be admiring it from a distance.

Pete

I have the catalog. A lot of fantasy items. I don't understand how those items sell. Kids don't care about that stuff any more.

@Slipskull posted:

Here is the Mohawk and couple extras

Interesting items, although not seeing anything I’d be down for yet. Anyone else have more pics??? 🧐😅

@eddie g posted:

I have the catalog. A lot of fantasy items. I don't understand how those items sell. Kids don't care about that stuff any more.

If they didn't sell they wouldn't make them.  Someone is buying them and if I recall Ryan once said they are some of the bigger sellers.

I certainly don't care for many of them but if it helps fund other prototypical projects then I say make 'em.

@tom21pa posted:

It said diecast in catalog.  Prr, alaska, up, and others with super Bass auxiliary tenders

A die cast Veranda? Wow - but does anyone know the price?

@Hancock52 posted:

A die cast Veranda? Wow - but does anyone know the price?

Approx $1649.99 from the quick look i saw yesterday when the pics were still up.

@eddie g posted:

I have the catalog. A lot of fantasy items. I don't understand how those items sell. Kids don't care about that stuff any more.

Well, some of us are not strictly “model railroaders” but “toy train operators.” And of course most of us are somewhere along that spectrum.  It’s almost like it’s two different hobbies divided by a common three rail track! As a person on the “toy train operator/collector “ end of that spectrum I don’t mind having fantasy items running on my traditional sized 4x8 layout. I’m sure Lionel’s catalog is trying to serve both modelers and toy operators.

@MartyE posted:

Approx $1649.99 from the quick look i saw yesterday when the pics were still up.

Thanks Marty, that is most definitely intriguing.

I wish someone would post the full catalog description of its features - I can live without fantasy scheme mock-up images. (I wonder most of all what they have done with the sound compared with the TMCC version - phased diesel and then turbine or something else?)

I suspect a new Legacy Veranda would have at least the TMCC model's features, which were pretty good BTW.

Someone put the catalog O Scale stuff up on youtube.

@eddie g posted:

I have the catalog. A lot of fantasy items. I don't understand how those items sell. Kids don't care about that stuff any more.

Certainly would like to hear what LC+2 engines there are. It's been mentioned that there are more RS-3s and a new K-4. Anything else new in LC+2?

@Prr7688 posted:

Very interesting to see the New Hope and Ivyland set... I always saw this as a niche operation compared to other tourist lines.

Wow - I grew up about five miles from this line! What’s in the set? Years ago Lionel made a boxcar for the New Hope and Ivyland - but that was a long time ago!

@gunrunnerjohn posted:

I suspect a new Legacy Veranda would have at least the TMCC model's features, which were pretty good BTW.

Yes, they were, and indeed still are even by today’s O 3-rail standards. But I’ll reserve judgment on what Lionel’s offering now until I can see the actual catalog text feature description. From the blurry copy I have seen online, there are no less than 10 different schemes but I’m not sure they have the synchronized diesel and then turbine sounds and smoke the TMCC version has.

I don't mind fantasy road names. I ordered the genset PRR from the last catalog. I know Pennsy did not have them but it looked good and it gives me more variety to run. Visitors always like the various features of the locs and the flappers on the smoke stacks is cool. Since I'm not a rivet counter it doesn't bother me.

The acelas (amtrak, amtrak concept, new haven, PRR, UP, Milwaukee Rd, SF, polar express) all feature 2 powered units with sound and automatic pantographs. 3 Passenger cars in the standard set include manually operating doors, lights figures, automatic tilt. Expansion pack, additional 2 cars with features above +1 station sounds diner (cafe car). Min curve O-72

@Joe Fermani posted:

I don't mind fantasy road names. I ordered the genset PRR from the last catalog. I know Pennsy did not have them but it looked good and it gives me more variety to run. Visitors always like the various features of the locs and the flappers on the smoke stacks is cool. Since I'm not a rivet counter it doesn't bother me.

bro i love fantasy stuff

from what i've seen its gonna be hard looking through this thing with out wishing i had a few grand, o72 curves and a decent AC power supply

cough pacemaker cough strasburg camel cough us army with shark face turbine cough

I'd like to see the LionChief K4s.

I'm assuming it uses the Baby K4s tooling with the Post War pilot.

Jon

I wonder if they'll offer #1361 in this scale. By the way, the cover on the American Flyer catalog is a USRA Pacific.

just ordered my catalog should be here by friday

Let's see those AF Pacifics!

@DGJONES posted:

Looks like a really fun catalog.  I find myself more and more attracted to some of the fantasy paint schemes.  Just imagine, a 2-10-10-2 locomotive with warbonnet paint scheme!

Gotta love it!

Don

Oooh yeah    That would look good next to my Cab Forward Daylight, which tends to be a favorite among visitors to my layout

@D500 posted:

This will only be of real value if LVC recognizes "Oh, s**t!" as a "shutdown" command.

Excellent point!

It can seem like an eternity between when one realizes "oh s**t" and fumbling for the emergency stop button on the remote , or reaching to cut power from the transformer.

D500 and Rick, that is just what I thought when I first learned of it. I fumble with the handheld remote, but fumble much more with my phone.  I even have trouble just answering the phone.  😄