Lionel PRR H10 (New '18 Legacy)

I am definitely getting one of these now with the swinging bell.  I think these will actually sell out as it is one of the lower priced scale legacy engines and loaded with features.

I want to get the Reading-Seashore Lines one, but the picture and description in catalog do not match (its the only one that doesn't match).  The name and road number on picture do not match the description.

Is the picture wrong or the description.  I do not want to order that one if it won't be the Reading-Seashore line.  I would get one of the other road numbers instead.  

Dave, can you comment if there will be a Reading-Seashore version?

The description for B is wrong. The image is right. 

6-84949 PRSL #6072

Road number will stay 6072 - cannot be changed now.

Dave, are you going over to China to supervise the QC before these ship.

So, will the sand dome be the correct larger one as shown on all the H8/9/10 pictures above or the smaller style like on the E6 and the older Lionel H9 from 10-15 years ago?  Just curious, it will not affect whether I order one or not.

The sand dome is far from the only incorrect thing about this loco, if you're interested in accuracy vs. the prototype.  It will be loaded with fun play features but will not be a good scale model by any stretch.

Dave Olson posted:

The description for B is wrong. The image is right. 

6-84949 PRSL #6072

Road number will stay 6072 - cannot be changed now.

Dave - Thank you!!!!  I appreciate your fast response.  Kudos to Lionel for making PRSL models.  PRSL did have two different Consolidation locomotives numbered 6072 (although not simultaneously) so it is, in a way, like the prototype.  And while the current model has the earlier style lettering (sans serif), the previous model had the later Clarendon lettering so they do represent two different eras. 

This is a good source of PRR steam diagrams:

http://prr.railfan.net/diagram...te&sz=sm&fr=

Maybe someone can compare Lionel's last 'H9' or one of the E6s against the correct diagram.

Dennis Holler posted:

So, will the sand dome be the correct larger one as shown on all the H8/9/10 pictures above or the smaller style like on the E6 and the older Lionel H9 from 10-15 years ago?  Just curious, it will not affect whether I order one or not.

Nitpickers should be a heck of a lot more concerned about that fictitious cowcatcher then the sand dome.

Joe 

SantaFe158 posted:

For a future run for Michigan/Ohio people...

Just about every RR that ran in and around Michigan including  Pere Marquette , Wabash, GTW and the DTI had 2-8-0 engines... NYC & the PRR also ran these types throughout southern MI.  I ordered the PENN Lines simply because I like the high sided tender better.   Also "Lines West" would be appropriate for the PRR 2-8-0 engine that ran into MI..  BTW,  a real decent price for a Lionel legacy engine loaded with features.  My dealer had it well under $600.   Let's hope it arrives defect free..

joe   

JC642 posted:

My dealer had it well under $600.  

What dealer? Please email the dealer name to m privately at the email in my profile.

Bob posted:

The sand dome is far from the only incorrect thing about this loco, if you're interested in accuracy vs. the prototype.  It will be loaded with fun play features but will not be a good scale model by any stretch.

Agreed, but I had not notice it being mentioned and it is about the first thing you see (or I notice) when looking at the loco.  I guess I was just surprised it had not been mentioned when other smaller or less noticeable details were mentioned.  That's all. 

Again, I am happy Lionel made it, I may buy one if I decide I can stomach the coins required.  If not, I'll live with the older Lionel H9 I just bought from a fellow forum member for $75 (it is boardless now).

JC642 posted:

Dennis Holler posted:

So, will the sand dome be the correct larger one as shown on all the H8/9/10 pictures above or the smaller style like on the E6 and the older Lionel H9 from 10-15 years ago?  Just curious, it will not affect whether I order one or not.

Nitpickers should be a heck of a lot more concerned about that fictitious cowcatcher then the sand dome.

Joe 

I'm thinking you could alter the cowcatcher a lot easier than changing that cast on sand dome..  I think there was a nicely built CLW or Saginaw 2-8-0 one the bay a month or so back that only went for $300 or so.  I know those aren't perfect either.  I have most of one that I need to build some day too.

I suppose my view is that it  is not so much that all details are perfect, but are the incorrect details that you can not stomach perfect.

Will the production model look like the catalog picture? The catalog picture doesn't look like an H10, its not even an apples to apples comparison. The Premier H10 is an exceptional diecast model and looks a lot more like the prototype, photo below. Can Lionel adjust the tooling of what looks like their H9 model to make it look more like the H10, or is that not feasible? Or, why not call the new model an H9?

Premier H10

JC642 posted:

Dennis Holler posted:

So, will the sand dome be the correct larger one as shown on all the H8/9/10 pictures above or the smaller style like on the E6 and the older Lionel H9 from 10-15 years ago?  Just curious, it will not affect whether I order one or not.

Nitpickers should be a heck of a lot more concerned about that fictitious cowcatcher then the sand dome.

Joe 

I do not think there is anything fictitious about the cowcatcher since these engines had the cowcatcher at least into the mid-1920s or later.  I think the cowcatcher is very appropriate on the Lines West engine, and on the PRR engines if you model pre-1930s.  I'm pretty sure all 273 original H10 tenders were high sided, but many of the H10s that were rebuilt from H8/H9 engines kept their original low sided tenders.

My issue is I model the late 1940s and I have not seen any pictures of an H8/H9/H10 taken after the beginning of WWII where the engine had a cow catcher.  Now that Dave and company have heard our concerns, I think I'm going to wait for the next release.  Maybe they will go back to calling it an H9 with an H9 cab number, have a PRR engine with a high side tender, and replace the cow catcher with foot boards.  I could live with a low side tender, especially if they call it an H9, but really want those foot boards.

Some pictures of my MTH PRR H10 #7676 with PS2. An older model - just like its owner.

MELGAR

Paul Kallus posted:

Will the production model look like the catalog picture? The catalog picture doesn't look like an H10, its not even an apples to apples comparison. The Premier H10 is an exceptional diecast model and looks a lot more like the prototype, photo below. Can Lionel adjust the tooling of what looks like their H9 model to make it look more like the H10, or is that not feasible? Or, why not call the new model an H9?

Premier H10

 

All of these issues relative to H10 configurations have been brought up, including:

- wheel spacing

- wheel diameter

- dome location

- snifter valve

- pneumatic bell clapper

- incorrect engine numbers

- earlier cowcatcher, and on and on.....

Lionel is not going to change anything as result of the fact that the engine has been marketed as an H10.....period. If they at least were willing to change their stance, despite marketing, and call it an H9 it would be somewhat more correct but that is not going to happen. Maybe next time around marketing might show some deference to engineering......

Nicks Trains posted:

JC642 posted:

My dealer had it well under $600.  

What dealer? Please email the dealer name to m privately at the email in my profile.

I would like to know this as well.

HiawathaRunner posted:

Nicks Trains posted:

JC642 posted:

My dealer had it well under $600.  

What dealer? Please email the dealer name to m privately at the email in my profile.

I would like to know this as well.

Add me to the list 

JC642 posted:

SantaFe158 posted:

For a future run for Michigan/Ohio people...

Just about every RR that ran in and around Michigan including  Pere Marquette , Wabash, GTW and the DTI had 2-8-0 engines... NYC & the PRR also ran these types throughout southern MI.  I ordered the PENN Lines simply because I like the high sided tender better.   Also "Lines West" would be appropriate for the PRR 2-8-0 engine that ran into MI..  BTW,  a real decent price for a Lionel legacy engine loaded with features.  My dealer had it well under $600.   Let's hope it arrives defect free..

joe   

I believe most railroads ran 2-8-0's at one time or another.  The DT&I became part of the PRR system after Henry Ford sold it in 1929, so after that point they ran many PRR locomotive types with the DT&I herald on the tender, the 2-8-0 pictured above being one of them.

Anyone know the length of this engine?

LIONEL posted:

Anyone know the length of this engine?

My MTH Premier PRR H-10 is approximately 18 inches in length. The engine length is 10 inches and the tender is 8 inches. The driver wheelbase is 4-3/8 inches. Photos posted above. Not necessarily what the Lionel model will be but probably close.

MELGAR

About a year ago decided not to buy anymore Lionel. Wouldn't you know that the one  engine Lionel is offering again since it was produced in 2001 was the H9/10 based on the E6 dies. At a street price of about $640 pre-buy its  a bargain. Yes the detail don't quite match but the E6,H9, and G5 all had the same basic boiler. And they were delivered with road pilots. Seems like the foot boards were added in the 20's along with electric headlight and generator. The H9 had been replaced by the L1 and M1 as primary road engines.

Sorry to resurrect an older thread but figured this was the best place for my question;  does anyone know if this locomotive will also include the firebox glow effect?  

Seems like if you're not overly concerned with period specific details this is a pretty feature packed engine for the price.  

NO Idea. YOu will have to e-mail Dave Olsen for that info. With the other details available on thisw loco. The firebox glow which whould be easy to install is no dealbreaker for me.

https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/...new-18-legacy?page=2

Dave,

If the engine has the frame/running gear of the Harriman 2-8-0, I sure hope it has the correct valve gear like the 2001 H9 did. Can you perhaps give me an insight on this? Also, do you have any idea if the locomotive will have the prototypical "Banshee" whistle? Thanks again!!

@Dave Olson

 I'm not Dave but.......

Dave has mentioned on more than one occassion that it WILL have the banshee whistle. The same as the recent pennsy light mikado as well as the B6 switcher from a few years ago.

Given Lionels reputation for reusing tooling it should look very similar to the TMCC version, depending on the tender style on the particular roadname one chooses. FWIW the "high sided tender" is from the Pennsy vison line CC2 tooling.

Heres the tmcc version for reference:

RickO posted:

 I'm not Dave but.......

Dave has mentioned on more than one occassion that it WILL have the banshee whistle. The same as the recent pennsy light mikado as well as the B6 switcher from a few years ago.

Given Lionels reputation for reusing tooling it should look very similar to the TMCC version, depending on the tender style on the particular roadname one chooses. FWIW the "high sided tender" is from the Pennsy vison line CC2 tooling.

Heres the tmcc version for reference:

 

Thanks for the info Rick!

Wow, I'm excited for the whistle!! I just sold my TMCC version, and I presume it will have the same (correct) valve gear as its 2001 counterpart. Hopefully the driver size and spacing won't look awkward. Does anyone know when these beasts will be released? I cant image they haven't made a pre production sample yet! 

Where have you been Garret? 

If Lionels shipping schedule is still correct. These locos are on the water now and folks should start receiving them mid-October.

Theres a pre production sample on Lionels facebook live video. Its tough to see because of the distance.

Go to 11:40 

https://www.facebook.com/Lione...s/10157735745893345/

( Click on "not now" in the lower right had corner of the facebook signup popup if you don't have facebook.)

RickO posted:

Where have you been Garret? 

If Lionels shipping schedule is still correct. These locos are on the water now and folks should start receiving them mid-October.

Theres a pre production sample on Lionels facebook live video. Its tough to see because of the distance.

Go to 11:40 

https://www.facebook.com/Lione...s/10157735745893345/

( Click on "not now" in the lower right had corner of the facebook signup popup if you don't have facebook.)

I Google the schedule last night and didn't see the on there. Like half the schedule glitched out so maybe they were involved with the glitch. Thanks for the info!!

I just emailed Ryan Kunkle. He said Target Shipping date for the h10's is Sept 28th. They are not on the water yet. 

Dj'sOgaugetrains posted:

I just emailed Ryan Kunkle. He said Target Shipping date for the h10's is Sept 28th. They are not on the water yet. 

Hope they get here soon, they look sharp!!

Garrett Monnin posted:

Dj'sOgaugetrains posted:

I just emailed Ryan Kunkle. He said Target Shipping date for the h10's is Sept 28th. They are not on the water yet. 

Hope they get here soon, they look sharp!!

These are gonna be really cool! I'm excited. If Lionel makes their target; it take about 6-8weeks for the models to be delivered to Lionel then be distrubuted. 

Dj'sOgaugetrains posted:

Garrett Monnin posted:

Dj'sOgaugetrains posted:

I just emailed Ryan Kunkle. He said Target Shipping date for the h10's is Sept 28th. They are not on the water yet. 

Hope they get here soon, they look sharp!!

These are gonna be really cool! I'm excited. If Lionel makes their target; it take about 6-8weeks for the models to be delivered to Lionel then be distrubuted. 

Man, I wish they were just made in America:/

Resurrecting an older thread here, but has anyone seen the production sample of the h10 that was running at York? It has a horrid white smokebox, and the red on the cab roof and tender roof do not match, with the latter being brighter than the former. The ornamental pieces, such as the bell, whistle, etc have no shine to them, and look as if they were painted yellow. Is anyone else appalled by this, or is it just me? I heard the shipping date got pushed back so maybe they have time to get it right... Sorry about the poor quality of the screenshot, but Ryan Kunkle confirmed that this will be the appearance of the engine, kinda disappointed in Lionel. 

Garrett, I don't know about the other details (other than that the prototype did NOT have a swinging bell) but the darker cab roof is correct per PRR painting instructions.  The tender deck is "Freight Car Color" while the roof is a mix of Freight Car Color and black.

I posted the link to the Trainworld York video on the other h10 thread. H10 info starts at 7:47 : https://www.facebook.com/Train...eos/471456796696256/

I don't care for the "silver" smokebox either , but it appears to be the standard across Lionels recent steamers. Imo it looks bad on the berks and niagaras as well.

Every other Lionel locomotive I currently own was purchased at different times over the last 15 years. All have a similar much darker shade of graphite for the smokebox. 

I hope the whistle and bell will be polished on the final product.

The whistle is absolutely correct for an h10.

Ryan stated in the video these are on the water now and folks should start seeing them the middle of November.

Bob posted:

Garrett, I don't know about the other details (other than that the prototype did NOT have a swinging bell) but the darker cab roof is correct per PRR painting instructions.  The tender deck is "Freight Car Color" while the roof is a mix of Freight Car Color and black.

Interesting, Bob. thanks for the info!

As pointed out the whistle is correct and, while cool, these locomotives had phneumatic bell ringers, not swinging bells.  The silvery color for the smoke box  is correct but, hopefully, production has it toned down to represent the true  graphite color.  Deck and roof colors appear to be correct.  Also the steam feed pipes are correct without the snifter valves.  It also appears that the class lights on the pilot beam are now illuminated - nice touch.

Danr posted:

Also the steam feed pipes are correct without the snifter valves.

It also appears that the class lights on the pilot beam are now illuminated - nice touch.

So the pre-production model Lionel had at York this past few days did not have the snifter valves?  Great.  Hopefully that also means they changed the H9 cab numbers in the catalog to H10 numbers. 

The classification lights look green which I personally would not want (I would never use this engine with a second section).  I personally would have wanted white (an extra).  Disconnecting them (no lights) to indicate a scheduled train would be my option.

CAPPilot posted:

Danr posted:

Also the steam feed pipes are correct without the snifter valves.

It also appears that the class lights on the pilot beam are now illuminated - nice touch.

So the pre-production model Lionel had at York this past few days did not have the snifter valves?  Great.  Hopefully that also means they changed the H9 cab numbers in the catalog to H10 numbers. 

The classification lights look green which I personally would not want (I would never use this engine with a second section).  I personally would have wanted white (an extra).  Disconnecting them (no lights) to indicate a scheduled train would be my option.

I agree, I hope it's accurately an H10.

If you don't want the class lights on, you can turn them off with the Legacy remote, so you can replicate a scheduled run. 

Danr posted:

As pointed out the whistle is correct and, while cool, these locomotives had phneumatic bell ringers, not swinging bells.  The silvery color for the smoke box  is correct but, hopefully, production has it toned down to represent the true  graphite color.  Deck and roof colors appear to be correct.  Also the steam feed pipes are correct without the snifter valves.  It also appears that the class lights on the pilot beam are now illuminated - nice touch.

I've never seen an H10 with a white smokebox, was that their as built appearance?

Very TrainMan1225 posted:

Here’s a piece of the H10 running on Railroading In America’s Instagram Live, for all wondering how it runs.

Very excited for this one, I didn’t pre order but I will probably be getting the Pennsylvania Line West tender version when it comes out 

AmtrakNickFilms posted:

Very TrainMan1225 posted:

Here’s a piece of the H10 running on Railroading In America’s Instagram Live, for all wondering how it runs.

Very excited for this one, I didn’t pre order but I will probably be getting the Pennsylvania Line West tender version when it comes out 

I’d like to have that one, but that isn’t listed on Trainworld’s website. I just decided to settle for the Western Allegheny version. Will post videos when it arrives.

RickO posted:

I posted the link to the Trainworld York video on the other h10 thread. H10 info starts at 7:47 : https://www.facebook.com/Train...eos/471456796696256/

I don't care for the "silver" smokebox either , but it appears to be the standard across Lionels recent steamers. Imo it looks bad on the berks and niagaras as well.

Every other Lionel locomotive I currently own was purchased at different times over the last 15 years. All have a similar much darker shade of graphite for the smokebox. 

I hope the whistle and bell will be polished on the final product.

The whistle is absolutely correct for an h10.

Ryan stated in the video these are on the water now and folks should start seeing them the middle of November.

Thanks for the update. Next month sound good to me.

TrainMan1225 posted:

Here’s a piece of the H10 running on Railroading In America’s Instagram Live, for all wondering how it runs.

Awesome!

TrainMan1225 posted:

AmtrakNickFilms posted:

Very TrainMan1225 posted:

Here’s a piece of the H10 running on Railroading In America’s Instagram Live, for all wondering how it runs.

Very excited for this one, I didn’t pre order but I will probably be getting the Pennsylvania Line West tender version when it comes out 

I’d like to have that one, but that isn’t listed on Trainworld’s website. I just decided to settle for the Western Allegheny version. Will post videos when it arrives.

Nice video!

Definitely hope the Bell isn't that color either.

I pre-ordered the Western Allegheny and this extra wait has been killing me. I hope it is worth it in the end.

Thanks!

Looks like they are in stock now at Nassau.

http://www.nassauhobby.com/Tra...-Gauge-Lionel-Steam/

cswalter posted:

Looks like they are in stock now at Nassau.

http://www.nassauhobby.com/Tra...-Gauge-Lionel-Steam/

Sweet! Not ordering from there though, just waiting until Trainworld gets theirs in. Fingers crossed it shouldn't be long now.

TrainMan1225 posted:

cswalter posted:

Looks like they are in stock now at Nassau.

http://www.nassauhobby.com/Tra...-Gauge-Lionel-Steam/

Sweet! Not ordering from there though, just waiting until Trainworld gets theirs in. Fingers crossed it shouldn't be long now.

Hopefully Nicholas Smith gets his soon, hopefully my Linea West version will arrive before December!

Trainworld called me today to confirm shipping address for my Bellefonte Central H10. Lionel comes thru with time to spare before Christmas! 

Yup, Ready to Roll told me mine was ready but I'm away for the week 😭😭 hopefully Monday I can stop by and pick it up. Can't wait!

Daniel J. Gonzalez posted:

Yup, Ready to Roll told me mine was ready but I'm away for the week 😭😭 hopefully Monday I can stop by and pick it up. Can't wait!

Same here, I'm going to NC for Thanksgiving Break and I wouldn't like it to show up while I'm gone. First thing I'm doing when I get back.

Got the call from Nicholas Smith, should be here Friday. Luckily I'll be in town!

TrainMan1225 posted:

Daniel J. Gonzalez posted:

Yup, Ready to Roll told me mine was ready but I'm away for the week 😭😭 hopefully Monday I can stop by and pick it up. Can't wait!

Same here, I'm going to NC for Thanksgiving Break and I wouldn't like it to show up while I'm gone. First thing I'm doing when I get back.

Safe travels!! 

Garrett Monnin posted:

Got the call from Nicholas Smith, should be here Friday. Luckily I'll be in town!

I will be furiously refreshing this page Friday hoping you post a video!!! Or at least some photos 🙏🙏🙏 lol

Thanks!

Any new comments, videos?

Doug N posted:

Any new comments, videos?

https://youtu.be/DGEDe4i5WtM

Eric shows his a few times in his most recent video.

Doug N posted:

Any new comments, videos?

What planet have you been on Doug?

Anything you need to know is on these 3 threads:

This one covers the features:

https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/...0-quick-review-video

This one discusses manufacturing flaws, and on the last page Daniel Gonzales is brave enough to remove the shell and show the inner workings: 

https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/...h-power-tools?page=4

This last one discusses how to darken the silver smokebox and also suggests that  while not common,it "could" have happened  as there were lighter colored smokeboxes.

https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/...06#81678117850323006

I removed the bottom plate to grease the gearbox, I should post photos. Man is that the way to have access to the gears.

RickO posted:

Doug N posted:

Any new comments, videos?

What planet have you been on Doug?

I removed the bottom plate to grease the gearbox, I should post photos. Man is that the way to have access to the gears.

 

Well, in all fairness to Doug, it had been a few weeks since anything new had been posted. And yes, please post photos! 

Mark in Oregon 

Rick O, exactly which screws did you remove on the bottom plate to access the gears?  I removed three  where it said "grease" but the plate didn't budge, and I was afraid to go further.

Remove the pickup rollers too. Those screws also hold the bottom plate on.

Thanks RICKO.  That turned out to be 5 screws plus the pickup rollers.  I now have the gears greased up to my satisfaction.