Lionel's Brand New NYC Hudson #5418 and Pics of 5452

there is one on eBay for $1259. 

Jim 

Thanks I took a look but I was hoping to see a real photo or confirmation from an owner. I afraid to rely on catalog art.

Thanks though

It's too bad Lionel has such a difficult time communicating with their suppliers concerning color. Even when you take all the precautions as Muffins trains did, the paint colors are still a disappointment when received.

Blue Streak, have you had a chance to run your 5452 yet?

No as my layout has been down for a few years. Looking at a new house now - So maybe soon. The 5452 is real nice looking. Maybe I can get a photo up in a few hours. This is why I am thinking about the 5418. All the shuttering issues are starting to worry me. Joe

I'm anxious to see them all so I can try and make a decision. So far it looks like Mr. Muffin's special run was the way to go for me aesthetically but that is no longer a possibility I guess. I wanted the class lights regardless of realism though. I understand this model has them, but they are tucked inside the boiler?

Here are some pics of 5452. Hopefully somebody can report on the 5418. I think the Scullin Wheels are great!

That looks really nice - congrats! That is the one I initially planned to purchase and it is the front runner after seeing it.

So is it all the same color or is there a slight difference in the front? It looks the same which would be fine with me. I really prefer the other drivers but these look much better than expected with the silver ring around the edges. It looks really nice and thanks for posting images.

Randy,

If I am not mistaken the 5413 in the catalog has the same paint but has a mix of drivers so that might be an option. When you look at the 5452 it looks the same color all over but light catches it some times and I think the boiler front is slightly different. When I was outside taken those pics it appeared to to look a little different but then I would look at it and say that's got to be the same color. If it is a different color, its just barely.

Did anyone get 5405?

Quick question please - Are the pilot wheels actually scale sized? Lionel is notorious for undersized pilot wheels, even on some 'full scale' models...

Any vids?

c.sam posted:

Quick question please - Are the pilot wheels actually scale sized? Lionel is notorious for undersized pilot wheels, even on some 'full scale' models...

Sam, do they build them that way to allow  operation on tight radius curves?

Beautiful engine wow.

Sam, those are not scale size wheels. It would be easy to correct, but would require broad curves.

Ron

BobbyD posted:

c.sam posted:

Quick question please - Are the pilot wheels actually scale sized? Lionel is notorious for undersized pilot wheels, even on some 'full scale' models...

Sam, do they build them that way to allow  operation on tight radius curves?

Essentially, no 3RO models of large steamers have "scale" wheels. The real NYC J3a had 39" pilot wheels, as I recall. This does not include the flange.

This is required to let the pilot swing past the cylinders and so forth on our tiny curves. All the importers do this, but Lionel is particularly bad about it. It is a matter of degree and what hits your eye wrong.

MTH seems to be the best about this. Their steamer's pilot wheels look the best; K-Line's scale NYC Hudson had a better-looking pilot truck than Lionel's (I swapped a K-Line truck for the Lionel on my Lionel L2a Mohawk - they have bigger, but not big enough, wheels. Dropped right in. Better.)

Which is funny, as MTH locos go around the same curves as Lionel's. My Lionel 3751 ATSF 4-8-4 has silly little ballet dancer pilot wheels, while my MTH 2900-class ATSF 4-8-4 has much more presentable pilot wheels.

Now - the old Lionel 700E-tooling  J1 Hudsons - the fancy, full-detailed ones, like 5340 from the 90's - came with 2 pilot trucks: one with small wheels for small curves, and one with nearly completely-scale pilot wheels for those of us with 072 curves. 60 seconds to change them.

Since these new locos cost a squillion dollars, could we not still get 2 trucks in the box? Like we did back in the old analog world? I have 072 curves and can take the "big" wheels. You can keep your smoking bells and swinging whistles - just give me a grown man's leading truck that these good models deserve.

My 1990's 6-17005 700E Hudson did not come with two pilot trucks.  I was able to purchase the "scale" pilot truck as a separate sale item at a later date.  Wonder if that tooling is still available and if the larger wheel pilot truck would require modification to fit the new J3A engines?

No one got 5405?

A little late to the party, but here’s some 5418 info - personally, I love this engine!!!

Found a sighting of 5405 in the upper left corner of this video. Not my video though: