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Attached are photo's of the replacement motor Ira Keeler has come up with the pesty McCoy underfloor motors with the bad casting.  This thing is really well built and runs even better than the replacement Bob jr. has come up with-only difference is you have to turn the truck around to the opposite direction so the drive wheels are facing forward.  This thing runs so smooth you would swear it's an O gauge motor running.  If your interested in one of these motors contact Ira directly...he lives in California.  I have Ira's permission to place his phone number on here 707-448-1358

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I got my new motor this past Friday and its in place and running on my test track. Very happy I have a running trolley and not a shelf piece. Ira put a can motor in mine, its a clean looking job and I'm looking forward to running it on my shop layout. The next thing to do to the trolley is add figures to the seats and give it an engineer. I may add a bell to the roof as well.

Steve "Papa" Eastman posted:

He makes 3 styles, 

Steve,

I'm not very knowledgeable about McCoy motors.  Do you have any idea if one of the replacements that Ira is making will work in my Daniel's GG1's?  The two that I own (and everyone I've seen) have McCoy motors that suffer from deterioration and/or swelling in the frame and will not run.

Parker Higby posted:

Not familiar with the motors in the GG1's but if they are underfloor motors like the Wappid Wabbit yes-and very good motors Ira is making...send me a pic of it parkerh138@aol.com 

Rob Shaubach posted:
Steve "Papa" Eastman posted:

He makes 3 styles, 

Steve,

I'm not very knowledgeable about McCoy motors.  Do you have any idea if one of the replacements that Ira is making will work in my Daniel's GG1's?  The two that I own (and everyone I've seen) have McCoy motors that suffer from deterioration and/or swelling in the frame and will not run.

Rob, hopefully hojak will chime in with a more definitive answer, but I was talking to him yesterday and he said the GG1 motors have no real similarity to the under floor trolley motors. McCoy made them special for Daniels and they are quite different.

Rob, if you look at the last photo in the original post of this thread, I think you can see how Ira's motor uses one axle of a McCoy truck and is made to fit into the rest of the truck.   I am not 100% sure of this, but I don't think it will fit in the GG-1 truck.  My own GG-1 power trucks have been modified - lucky me - so I can't look at or measure a Daniel original to see.  I bought my Daniel set from Caryl Pettijohn - it is the same set that is seen running in the Tinplate in Action Video #5.  Caryl had someone (?) replace the motors and zinc-pest trucks in this GG-1, and the result is that it has a lot more power and traction and pulls great.  I will be seeing Caryl at York in a couple weeks and am going to ask for the name of who did this, because it really is the solution.  He used a can motor, horizontal, with a shaft at each end of the motor with worm gear drives on each shaft, so both axles of the truck are powered.  He did this with both power trucks.  He milled out some steel plates that slip inside the original truck sides; the plates hold the ends of the axles, and you can't see them because they are hidden behind the cast trucks. The result is stellar.  I have been working on my own trying to replicate this set-up, and so far have found a motor that works but am still trying to get the right axle gears to fit the worm.  One way or the other, I will get this figured out in the near future and have a solution for the GG-1.

david

Regardless I'm quite sure if you remove the motor and send it to Ira he can build you a motor to get it running again.  Ira just fabricated a replacement front truck for my Number 6 Chief Cle Elum 4-6-0 out of aluminum and it looks and operated better than the original cast piece...plus two new steam chests that are dead on accurate.

Steve, Parker, and David:  Thanks very much for your input on the possibility of getting Daniels GG-1's up and running.  I'll stay tuned to see what transpires here in my half of the country but will certainly keep Ira Keeler's work in mind.  

I didn't realize Caryl P was into MESG, as I know of him mostly from his book on Lionel Std Gauge freight car variations.  

More to learn every day -- one of the many reasons I love our hobby!

Rob Shaubach posted:

I didn't realize Caryl P was into MESG, as I know of him mostly from his book on Lionel Std Gauge freight car variations.  

You're right, prewar Lionel is is strong point, and he wrote the book on the 200 series.  He had quite a bit of MESG, but in recent years he has decided to downsize and concentrate just on the prewar. He called it "purifying the collection" (!)  So he has sold quite a bit of MESG, and I got some of it from him; the Daniels set, also a RichArt Ives set he was selling.  He was my reason for frequenting the Red Hall before I knew you had a table there.  He still has his big layout. He runs the whole Standard Gauge layout on DC.  Awfully nice guy.  Picture taken by Arno in 2013 on Caryl's layout:

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Rob Shaubach posted:
Steve "Papa" Eastman posted:

He makes 3 styles, 

Steve,

I'm not very knowledgeable about McCoy motors.  Do you have any idea if one of the replacements that Ira is making will work in my Daniel's GG1's?  The two that I own (and everyone I've seen) have McCoy motors that suffer from deterioration and/or swelling in the frame and will not run.

Looks like a modification of this would make a nice 6 wheel driven mechanism for the GG1's. Have to keep my eye on this one!

The McCoy underfloor powertruck was available with both axles powered. They used two pulleys and a 'spring-belt' to power the second axle. The wheel-base was variable based on the truck sideframes. Al Merris marketed a steeple-cab with two McCoy power trucks. All four axles were powered (sucker weighed 8 pounds!). I have the illustrated parts lists (.jpg scans or .doc) for both. I can e-mail them if someone wants to post them.

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