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The catalog is now available to the public. What will you order?

For me, I might go for a Amtrak ES44, mainly because the charging lights. I know its not realistic but that thing looks sweet. 

Also lets keep the complaining about "No new toolings" to a minimum here. The point has been made. 

 

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If you click on the ES44, the pricing is really really good. $5.60.

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The Youngstown Sheet and Tube S-2 makes the top of the list, some nice new rolling stock options as well, and the Mil Rd Bi-Polars being back for the first time in more than 15 years is great too.

Something to really think on -- while there isn't new tooling, things like the Mil Rd bi-polars haven't been offered since the 5v PS2.0 days, that is a long, long time for many in the hobby, my middle school age kids were not even born when those came out originally, heck Max who started this thread was most likely a toddler. So while I am sure there will be unhappiness from those with shirts older than 2003, for many the past two catalogs have had a lot of "new" to them offerings.

Finally a Reading & Northern MP15 switching engine , plus R&N gondolas and  PS-2CD high side hoppers.  Still hoping for R&N GP39s some day. 

I would like to get the Indiana RR SD80 and put the patch kit on the cab to change it as to how it ran on NS (#7337) till earlier this year but a 20 1/2" long engine just won't look or operate good on my small layout. 

Maxrailroad posted:

The Reading and Northern MP15 totally slipped by me, I will be getting one for sure. 

@Former Member Your wish for UP 7400 came true. Also @Rocky Mountaineer they finally made coaches for the RM GP40's. 

@CincinnatiWestern You hit the nail right on the head.

They cataloged the RM coaches.  Made is yet to be seen, but I suspect they'll get produced.  At least for David's sake I hope they are made.  I think they'll look great on his layout.

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The PS-2CD High-sided covered hoppers are what I have been waiting to get. 

Louis-Dreyfus and ILLINOIS GRAIN are my main choices. 

I will definitely order the Ann Arbor, Boston & Maine, and Detroit, Toledo & Ironton 50' Box Cars in the Premier line. 

I like the Armstrong and Chandler 55' All-door box cars.

The Corrugated Auto Carriers for Santa Fe, Norfolk & Western, DT&I, and Guilford Boston & Maine on TRAILER TRAIN flat cars are all schemes that I have wanted to get sometime for my 1970's to 1990's era trains.

The Soo Line flat car with bulkheads is the car that I need to put in my Soo Line trains.

The 3-bay center flow covered hoppers in the W.R. Grace and Goodyear schemes are interesting, but the real ones were the ACF Center Flow 5250 Cu. Ft., 4-bay covered hoppers.

Andrew

I love the L5 on the front. I actually just bought last Christmas a Proto 2 version. Great engine. I really love the premier camelbacks but I don't have that kinda money. I've got a Virginian 44 tonner on order from the last catalog. Nice to see all the railking stuff too. My dad and I have always been semi scale guys and I love the railking stuff. See y'all at York!

Berkshirelover726 posted:

I love the L5 on the front. I actually just bought last Christmas a Proto 2 version. Great engine. I really love the premier camelbacks but I don't have that kinda money. I've got a Virginian 44 tonner on order from the last catalog. Nice to see all the railking stuff too. My dad and I have always been semi scale guys and I love the railking stuff. See y'all at York!

I agree. I think that they are way overpriced for what they are...

My name is Alfred.  I am a toy train acquisition addict.  I have not made a purchase for eight months, three weeks and two days.  Not placing an order from the Lionel 2018 Volume 2 catalog was Step 1.   Not placing an order from the MTH 2019 Volume 1 catalog will be Step 2. 

Grant me the integrity to accept back-ordered trains; 
courage not to order any more; 
and wisdom not to succumb to the allure of new catalogs.

What, me worry?

p.s. Didn't miss any MoPac locomotives or rolling stock, did I?

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Berkshirelover726 posted:

Oh man. My first train was an ALCO and I've always loved them. I'd love a RS-11. 

I have an RSD-12 from Weaver that I’m either going to sell or get upgraded... I haven’t decided it’s fate yet since I love it dearly.  I currently own 4 ALCO locomotives in NKP livery... as well as the rest of my collection lol!

AGHRMatt posted:

Like the Center Beam flat cars w/lumber loads, but I wish they'd bring back the "opera window" versions. Going to look through it at length at the club tonight.

I'm excited for this version. I have opera windows with log loads and much prefer the diagonal bracing and lumber loads. More modern IMO. I'm getting the TTX, BNSF, and maybe one of the other two. 

NKP Muncie posted:
prrhorseshoecurve posted:

Bummer! I can't get a close up of those GE passenger cars! I would like to see the names being imprinted on them.

Just a guess, based on the low-res (even zoomed in) image - GENERAL ELECTRIC, with the GE logo between the words.

As to what I'd like from the catalog - perhaps the NS red-nosed Dash 9.

Yes I vaguely see that on the top board above the windows. The cars did have names and a low board below the windows. I need to see those names to verify that they are prototypically named. I hope that MTH makes the window configuration all coach cars as I Google searched and someone has stated the consist was all coach cars and a baggage car bringing up the rear.

Beautiful stuff.

I had a moment of H & F (Hope and Fear) when I spotted the Mohawks. I have 2 MTH Mohawks (different classes) that I bought in spite of not being a DCS user, in any meaningful way. They were just too impressive to pass up. And Lionel has not Mohawked past the L3a.

I had hopes that the L-4a with the Scullin drivers (below) would be there. So modern-looking.

I would have ordered it, I do believe. Most later Mohawks had Boxpok drivers, but some were built with Scullins. 

So, it seems, no order.

 

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Of course the GS-4s, Big Boys, and Pacifics are back. When I saw them, I was starting to wonder if MTH is trying to get customers to buy those recataloged items since they have them in stock. I mean, there's nothing wrong with that, but it feels like they're going to be offering them forever. Anyways, here's my wishlist for 2019 V1:

  • NS 8520
  • Conrail SD80MAC (or 2014 run)
  • Lehigh Valley RS-11
  • Santa Fe FT (maybe)
  • NYC GP40
  • Rocky Mountaineer (maybe)
  • NYC GP7
  • CSX ES44AC
  • MILW Olympian Hiawatha Bi-Polar
  • NS 60' Flat Car with Tank Containers
  • RBMN Hopper
  • Herzog 4-Bay Hopper
  • NS & TTX Centerbeam Flat Cars
  • MILW Streamlined Baggage/Coach Set (or earlier runs)
  • MILW Streamlined RPO (or earlier runs)
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"it feels like they're going to be offering them forever."

You say that like it's a bad thing. 

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"The European High-Sided gondolas could be painted in schemes seen in the USA like SOUTHERN, Norfolk Southern, and others and have North American trucks and couplers."

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Big_Boy_4005 posted:
Paultrainguy posted:

Ordering nothing. Already got a lot of stuff, running out of room. 

I'm in the same boat. Maybe some of the center beam lumber flats, but that's about it.

Well, there's your problem right there! Your layouts are in boats. We need to talk.

RickO posted:

Whats with the "stainless plated body finish" on the new streamlined passenger cars?

Is this something new ,or will these be the same as previous offerings?  Anybody know?

This was introduced a couple of years ago on the Amtrak Amfleet cars. It wasn't expected to look that good and it caught many people by surprise. I guess it's in demand so all stainless steel cars are getting the played treatment.

Anthony K posted:

I'm glad others are finding items of interest, but this is the second MTH catalog in a row that I'm not ordering anything.  Without some new models or updated tooling on older models, I can't justify it.

Now if they had cataloged a Conrail GP38-2, I'd have ordered two!

 

2ND?

Try 22 

scale rail posted:

Wrong pantographs on the Milwaukee Bipolar. They made scale pans on the other Milwaukee electrics, why the toy like ones now. No ice breakers either. Sad

Don

falconservice posted:

The catalog shows the old underframe and trucks on the Premier Corrugated Auto Carriers.

Andrew

You do realize this these are only pictures used in a catalogue, not actually O Gauge releases tied to the order stock number.  Be glad this hobby still puts out dream books for you to ponder. 

I'm glad to see the MTH club offers one last tinplate traditions car when you join  

 

GO MIKE & COMPANY.  Supporting you since the beginning.

Well, a quick page through on the net, and the "no whining" rule applied.  Maybe there is a car or two, l hope, when l get a hard copy, which l have expressed my hating to take when l'd rather they and competitor put the money in new prototypes.  I guess there is an advertising tax write-off? A souvenir you could get in Sweden was a roll of toilet paper printed with Kronor (Swedish money), which were a political expression of what some Swedes thought of their then socializing government.  And, of course, and l cringe when l think of the Christmas catalogues, but Sears and other catalogues were found in my relatives' farms' outhouses.  I would love to see these catalogues as preservable as those Sears , etc., Christmas catalogues.

JDFonz posted:

Love the GB&W RS-11, but why no caboose? Even just a transfer caboose, Cmon!

I really do not know how they make decisions they do at MTH? You may wait 15 years for that matching caboose.  I bought the auto-train auto racks in 2006 and never a passenger car has ever been made to accompany these.  I have had to order custom painting to get the rest of this train made.  There are freight cars that I know people want made that never come.  Potash Corp salmon color hoppers is one  that I am seeking.

Remember the first MTH ads with a guy looking at his watch next to the C&O streamlined steam loco?  It says, "You have waited 48 years for this locomotive." The slap was at Lionels and others expense   Well, I am not waiting another catalog and another 13 years for the reat of the autotrain.  I am using MTHs very nice car carriers from 2006 and again this year.  But the 10 passenger cars are by Lionel, Atlas, and are at the painters as we speak. 

What I am most impressed with is MTH's creativity to find unique products. If you look at the prices of the items it looks like a big effort to make them affordable. They are less money than the big L and also appear to be going after the Williams market niche only with far better features. There are some nice products in that 2019 catalog.

RickO posted:

Whats with the "stainless plated body finish" on the new streamlined passenger cars?

Is this something new ,or will these be the same as previous offerings?  Anybody know?

Hello Rick.  The last couple runs of MTH Santa Fe passenger cars have been "stainless plated".  It looks really nice as delivered.  The first run sold out very quickly.  I have a set from the second run on order to go with my new Legacy warbonnets.  I believe they are due in November, so you might be able to check them out at your dealer before orders are due for this catalog.  I'll bet you like them - again, they're nice.

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VistaDomeScott posted:

I really do not know how they make decisions they do at MTH? You may wait 15 years for that matching caboose.  I bought the auto-train auto racks in 2006 and never a passenger car has ever been made to accompany these.  I have had to order custom painting to get the rest of this train made.  There are freight cars that I know people want made that never come.  Potash Corp salmon color hoppers is one  that I am seeking.

See those all the time! Wished we could get some.

JDFonz posted:

Love the GB&W RS-11, but why no caboose? Even just a transfer caboose, Cmon!

Excellent issue, every engine needs either passenger cars or a caboose!!

Jim S posted:

Why MTH and Big L issue orphan locos without a caboose or passenger cars where appropriate is beyond me.  I have passed on a couple locos because of that reason.

IT's possible due to the high cost of the locomotives in question as well as the rest of the train. If Lionel placed the whole AFT set in one cat, how many people/dealers could afford it?

Jim S posted:

Why MTH and Big L issue orphan locos without a caboose or passenger cars where appropriate is beyond me.  I have passed on a couple locos because of that reason.

I'm in dire need of a Rutland Caboose for my mogul, I could use pre-WWII B&A, NYC, B&M as well.  Don't understand myself why no one will produce these.  Lionel/MTH is missing out big time.

Anthony K posted:

I'm glad others are finding items of interest, but this is the second MTH catalog in a row that I'm not ordering anything.  Without some new models or updated tooling on older models, I can't justify it.

Now if they had cataloged a Conrail GP38-2, I'd have ordered two!

 

In what Scheme? I'm Looking for a "Plane Jane" Conrail model- NO side conspicuity stripes just Conrail - as in the early to mid 1980's!

Oh yeah! I will also take an "Operation Lifesaver" model as well!

So far MTH has only made Two, The bicentennial scheme and the PS1 version in Conrail Quality.

My layout and all my train storage areas are completely full, no more room! However, as usual MTH seems to have my number and there are a few items of interest in the new catalog. The S.F. yellow bonnets, camelbacks, Kodak 44 tonner, and some nice rolling stock. And probably a few more items after further catalog study. Hmmm...maybe I better hide the cast iron skillet, solid maple rolling pin and prepare my helmet.  

I agree with some of the others here that MTH has done a great job at trying to keep prices down. Although their prices have risen somewhat, they are not nearly as much as the others have gone up. And a 'Thank You' to Mike Wolf! 

I will probably pick up some of the RF&P rolling stock, but no big items.

I had decided that if they offered the FT in the first Southern series, starting with #6100, I would buy it.  They included  a comment about that engine, but did not offer it.

I have the operations manual for that engine from my Grandfather.  He gave it to me along with a story of the day he converted from steam to diesel.  He was handed that manual to read 15 minutes before he made his first run with that engine.  Training complete.

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falconservice posted:

Do you mean the Potash Corp 3-bay covered hopper built by National Steel Car? 

POTX 3478 Potash Corp CVNOk3Z

The National Steel Car covered hoppers do not exactly match any of the covered hoppers that MTH currently produces, but they are similar to the ACF Center Flow 3-bay covered hoppers.

Andrew

 

When has something not being prototypical ever stopped MTH from making something? 

c.sam posted:

Whew - You guys mentioned a Santa Fe 'Yellow Bonnett' with stainless plating and I figured I was done in.

Fortunately (or not) I see it is in the RK Scale line so I will reluctantly have to pass.  Had they been Premiere, I would have had to 'arrange financing' somehow...

I do this every catalog. This time I put five items on my list. When I looked at the total price, I said to myself "where am I going to get that money?"

It's pretty easy for me nowadays. I don't have any money! If I did there's the....

Amtrak ES44 stainless with lights (maybe Chessie too?)

flat cars with Abrams tank loads

new subway set

again I have to see the Big Boy #4014 with scale wheels that I still can't buy....

and the new G scale Dash 8s....

Why can't I get on MTH's payroll? I could just swap pay for more new stuff!

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John Pignatelli JR. posted:

I like the PRSL GP38's , Reading and Northern MP15,  and I like a few of the R&N cars, I have to know more on the army items, the cannons look strange to me. 

I looked into the cannon one more time, I found a 105 with the personnel shields but they did not have the mussels on the barrels. see below.

us army - m119a3 105mm digital howitzers below, the modern gun . this gun has no personnel shields however it does have a mussel.

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Which is the correct one?

 

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John Pignatelli JR. posted:
John Pignatelli JR. posted:

I like the PRSL GP38's , Reading and Northern MP15,  and I like a few of the R&N cars, I have to know more on the army items, the cannons look strange to me. 

I looked into the cannon one more time, I found a 105 with the personnel shields but they did not have the mussels on the barrels. see below.

us army - m119a3 105mm digital howitzers below, the modern gun . this gun has no personnel shields however it does have a mussel

Which is the correct one?

 

John, that's a "muzzle brake".  I've been looking at Google images and I see both.  So my guess is either one is okay. 

As a 2 railer, I don't follow MTH much.     I did peruse the latest catalogue which is listed in this post to see if any new first generation diesels might be coming that are 2 rail.    I looked at the photos of what they call their GP7 in the premier line, and based on the information I have on placement of louvres on the long hood and vents, that body seems to be a model of a GP9, not a 7.    Now as  units got older and rebuilt, doors with vents got moved etc., but these models represent as built new units.

Has anyone else noticed this?

 

I looked into the cannon one more time, I found a 105 with the personnel shields but they did not have the mussels on the barrels. see below.

us army - m119a3 105mm digital howitzers below, the modern gun . this gun has no personnel shields however it does have a mussel

Which is the correct one?

 

John, that's a "muzzle brake".  I've been looking at Google images and I see both.  So my guess is either one is okay. 

beachhead2 posted:
John Pignatelli JR. posted:
John Pignatelli JR. posted:

I like the PRSL GP38's , Reading and Northern MP15,  and I like a few of the R&N cars, I have to know more on the army items, the cannons look strange to me. 

I looked into the cannon one more time, I found a 105 with the personnel shields but they did not have the mussels on the barrels. see below.

us army - m119a3 105mm digital howitzers below, the modern gun . this gun has no personnel shields however it does have a mussel

Which is the correct one?

 

John, that's a "muzzle brake".  I've been looking at Google images and I see both.  So my guess is either one is okay. 

 

I stand corrected, I prefer the early version. I may cut the muzzle brake off to make it look like the older cannon.

thanks

john

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John Pignatelli JR. posted:
John Pignatelli JR. posted:

I like the PRSL GP38's , Reading and Northern MP15,  and I like a few of the R&N cars, I have to know more on the army items, the cannons look strange to me. 

I looked into the cannon one more time, I found a 105 with the personnel shields but they did not have the mussels on the barrels. see below.

us army - m119a3 105mm digital howitzers below, the modern gun . this gun has no personnel shields however it does have a mussel.

Image result for us army - m119a3 105mm digital howitzers

Which is the correct one?

 

The M114 155mm Heavy howitzer had personnel shields and muzzle suppressor still not very close.....

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c.sam posted:

Whew - You guys mentioned a Santa Fe 'Yellow Bonnett' with stainless plating and I figured I was done in.

Fortunately (or not) I see it is in the RK Scale line so I will reluctantly have to pass.  Had they been Premiere, I would have had to 'arrange financing' somehow...

Same here with the demo f units. Only painted in the railking f3. Now if they did them in the correct F7 premier line I would have been in trouble!

prrhorseshoecurve posted:

Same here with the demo f units. Only painted in the railking f3. Now if they did them in the correct F7 premier line I would have been in trouble!

The corker is EMD 462 was the only locomotive painted that way and wasn't even a F3 (Yeah, yeah, I know... It's Railking and it's your railroad... yada yada)  It didn't have any mating B's or A's.

It was a test bed for EMD rebuilt from C&NW F7 6501A.

EMD F9 Test Bed 462

Rusty

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The DT&I 18800 series of 50' box cars built by BERWICK FORGE & FOUNDRY are the cars that match the Premier 50' Box Car. These Detroit, Toledo & Ironton box cars need the compass logo on a signplate. 

Mike Wolf needs to have this corrected since there are so few DT&I box cars left to produce, each box car needs to be matched up as close as possible between prototype and scale model. 

Andrew

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The Detroit, Toledo & Ironton 50' box car 20-93859 in the 2019 Volume 1 catalog is a car that I am interested in buying.

Somebody made a mistake though. They did not put the right DT&I paint scheme and numbers on the right O scale box car type.

The DT&I 50' box cars that matched the Premier O scale 50' box cars very closely were in the DT&I 18800-18874 series. These box cars were built by Berwick Forge & Foundry.
They have an orange door. The compass logo is on a large sign plate.

http://dti.railfan.net/Pototyp...ages/rs/dti18848.jpg

http://canadianfreightcargalle...i=dti18873&o=dti

http://dti.railfan.net/Equipment_Database/DTI18800s50'BFFBoxcar/ArtDTI18800s.html

The DT&I paint scheme and number series shown on the 50' box car in the catalog is for a Pullman-Standard 50' box car that closely matches the Premier 50' waffle box car. The ends are the same and the door is the same. The compass logo was on a small sign plate.

DT&I 16900-16974 was the Pullman-Standard series. That series and those graphics should be used only for the 50' waffle box car.

http://dti.railfan.net/Pototyp...ages/rs/dti16918.jpg

http://canadianfreightcargalle...i=dti16919&o=dti

http://canadianfreightcargalle...i=dti16931&o=dti

http://canadianfreightcargalle...i=dti16966&o=dti

 

There is a very limited amount of DT&I freight cars remaining to be produced for the first time. The paint schemes and the freight have to match each other as closely as possible. It takes months to years between the production of these freight cars, so they have to be painted as close as possible to the real cars the first time they are made.

Please make the correction and post the change on Facebook, twitter, and the O Gauge Railroading 3-rail Forum.

I look forward to having both of the Detroit, Toledo & Ironton schemes on the proper O scale box cars.

Thank you.

Andrew

D500 posted:

"it feels like they're going to be offering them forever."

You say that like it's a bad thing. 

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Big_Boy_4005 posted:
Paultrainguy posted:

Ordering nothing. Already got a lot of stuff, running out of room. 

I'm in the same boat. Maybe some of the center beam lumber flats, but that's about it.

Well, there's your problem right there! Your layouts are in boats. We need to talk.

I'm just worried that MTH will never make a new steam locomotive in the Premier line again. They should look into doing brass steam locomotives.

Rusty Traque posted:
prrhorseshoecurve posted:

Same here with the demo f units. Only painted in the railking f3. Now if they did them in the correct F7 premier line I would have been in trouble!

The corker is EMD 462 was the only locomotive painted that way and wasn't even a F3 (Yeah, yeah, I know... It's Railking and it's your railroad... yada yada)  It didn't have any mating B's or A's.

It was a test bed for EMD rebuilt from C&NW F7 6501A.

EMD F9 Test Bed 462

Rusty

You are right about a "b unit" however in the Diesel Demonstrator book there is a picture of both the A unit test bed along with the EMD test car( that was made in a b unit body) both painted in the flashy maroon paint scheme above that MTH could do in their premier line F7 A-B and still be "in the ballpark". 

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