Part assist part deux!

Lionel always sold it as a complete truck. I don't remember the plate separately.

@Chuck Sartor posted:

Lionel always sold it as a complete truck. I don't remember the plate separately.

The Greenberg repair manual lists the plate for the rear A unit truck.  I just cannot find info on the B unit.  I would think they would use the same truck.

The ones on my B unit seem pretty goofy. One thin piece of metal with a C clip and they flop all over.  Maybe that is correct.   I just want to verify.

The Greenberg manual most people reference doesn't have the actual parts lists.

To find your part, you need to look up the first 200-series B unit ever produced which was for the 217. Here is the parts listing.

I believe your part is 217-76 in the truck assembly breakdown below. Now good luck finding it for sale separately!

Ok, it looks like the top plate did have it's own number. Judging by no bin number is listed, they must have had very few to sell separately. Like Greg implied, finding only that part is a needle in a haystack. The whole B unit truck is a tough find, which are not the same as a dummy A truck. The tang instead of a round stud and small clip were used on a few truck assemblies, so yours is factory correct. The picture on the left is for a dummy A unit.

@GregR posted:

The Greenberg manual most people reference doesn't have the actual parts lists.

To find your part, you need to look up the first 200-series B unit ever produced which was for the 217. Here is the parts listing.

I believe your part is 217-76 in the truck assembly breakdown below. Now good luck finding it for sale separately!

Thank you for that parts list!  But I am trying to verify whether or not I have the correct trucks installed on my B unit based on the pics I provided.

The 218-31C looks identical to the 217-75 from the pics I found on the interwebs.  And if that is the case then it looks like the wrong trucks are on my B unit if you look at my picks.

2 more pics of what I believe are the wrong trucks.

Does anyone have a 200 series PW B unit they could pop the cover off of quick and take a picture of how the truck attaches to the frame?

Here you go. From two different B units. Does this add to your confusion?

Both versions, Early 217 B&M with tang, later 218 with stud.

@GregR posted:

Here you go. From two different B units. Does this add to your confusion?

Awesome!!!!    Thank you so much!!

It shows they used both trucks in the B units, so the ones I have on mine are a correct version.  I was concerned someone threw some weird trucks on mine just to sell it.

I still may buy a couple 218-31C top plates from trainz and change mine out because I hate all the play in the holes.

One more question, if you peek in between the frame and the top plate, does the truck plate with the nice solid stud have the dome on top of it like the really rusty one in my pic?

@Chuck Sartor posted:

Both versions, Early 217 B&M with tang, later 218 with stud.

Thank you very much!!!!!  And thank you for the word "tang", lol.  I couldn't figure out what to call that thing.

I'm taking a battery acid damaged 217 and a good 226 and turning it into a good 217 with "new" 217 frame to match the B unit.

I could use the 217 shell on the 226, but my ocd can't handle that.  Things must match!  Lol

The one with the 'dome' is for a dummy A unit, the B unit ones are flat. If you install the dummy A truck, it will look like the unit is constantly running downhill !

@Chuck Sartor posted:

The one with the 'dome' is for a dummy A unit, the B unit ones are flat. If you install the dummy A truck, it will look like the unit is constantly running downhill !

Ok, great info!  That's what I needed to know.  I wasn't sure if the studded B top plates had the dome or not.

I will keep my tang'd top plates, lol.

Thank you all for the great help!!

Add a spacer washer to take up the slop.

The question is how did a B unit get battery damage, the 217 A unit doesn't have a horn?

@Chuck Sartor posted:

The question is how did a B unit get battery damage, the 217 A unit doesn't have a horn?

Oh ya, sorry.  I picked it up for 20 bucks at an estate sale.  It was a 226 A with a 217 shell. No B unit.

Then I found a 226 A with 217 B for the price of what people were asking for just the B.

Soooooooo..........now I have 2 226 A's (one with 217 A shell) and a 217 B.  Plus I bought a nice 217 A frame so it is the correct frame.

The B I just received and did not have battery damage.  The pics with damage are from the 20 dolla 226/217A

When I pulled the shell on the B the trucks looked weird and I wanted to verify they were correct for the B unit.  I have no PW with floppy tang trucks like that.

Mike:

I have these knocking about.  If you're interested, drop me an email. 

Kitteh not included.   

Mitch

@M. Mitchell Marmel posted:

Mike:

I have these knocking about.  If you're interested, drop me an email.

Kitteh not included.   

Mitch

Ha ha!!

Thank you for the offer!!!    I'll shoot you an email if I decide to buy them.

Just for information, The one on the right is for a postwar Alco dummy A, the left is for a MPC Alco A ( powered A front truck or Dmy A front truck ), or a Switcher 8010 Santa Fe, 8111 DT&I front truck.

@Chuck Sartor posted:

Just for information, The one on the right is for a postwar Alco dummy A, the left is for a MPC Alco A ( powered A front truck or Dmy A front truck ), or a Switcher 8010 Santa Fe, 8111 DT&I front truck.

Thank you for the clarification.