I think we just had a good argument put forth as to why Sunset/Third Rail ought to consider putting out GP-7 and GP-9 models with the factory closure. I was one of the people caught up in the last one and had to wait several years for my Atlas F-3s.
If push comes to shove I could do some MP GP's. I missed the Atlas ones, as I hadn't switched to O yet. I don't even intend to model MP, I just like the as-delivered paint scheme.
My preference is still for accurate GP38-2's thought.
P.S On the waiting list for two SD40-2's.
Purplepapa posted:I could be very enthusiastic about a GP7 in ACL or SAL in 2 rail. Also a GP20 in Santa Fe.
SAL and Southern too, please!
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I'm done ….
….. concerning GP7's or RS-3/RSD5's or even-end cab switchers from 3rd Rail. Its not in the stars, and that's cool. I'm not part of their targeted niche.
I'm glad that they do make very nicely/correctly detailed model train stuff for their enthusiasts. The bigger our hobby, the better.
EBT Jim posted:.
I'm done ….
….. concerning GP7's or RS-3/RSD5's or even-end cab switchers from 3rd Rail. Its not in the stars, and that's cool. I'm not part of their targeted niche.
I'm glad that they do make very nicely/correctly detailed model train stuff for their enthusiasts. The bigger our hobby, the better.
Patience is a virtue... For 2 rail O scalers. 
brwebster posted:Looking back over figures given in Pennsy Power II, seems as if there may have potentially been 8 GP7's so equipped. Eight were equipped with steam boilers so moving reservoirs up top to accommodate a larger fuel tank was certainly possible.
Bruce
Unfortunately. Only three GP7's had rooftop torpedo tubes, DuaL Cab Controls, and cab signaling boxes underneath #8551-8553.
From the Paul Withers book "Pennsylvania Railroad Diesel Locomotive Pictorial" Vol#8.
The Devil is in the details!
Here are some 3 rail photos of PRR Atlas GP7's compared to Lionel GP7:
Atlas O definitely got the handrails right! However the Lionel GP7 with the Legacy electronics is only off by the Handrail detail.
I wish I could have said the same with the Lionel Legacy GP9 but they FUBARed it up with the details. With the Legacy electronic"crew talk" you can't really fix the numerous issues.
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If the Atlas GP7s and GP9s had single motor drives, they would be **** near perfect. Unfortunately, they use the two motor drive. Sunset's single motor drive will be superior every time. Thankfully, Atlas did their GP7s in Lackawanna. I doubt Scott would get enough reservations for the Lackawanna paint scheme.
Opinion.
I use two motor drives in my larger Diesel models. Other than double the current, which doesn't seem to affect my electric bills, the only effect I see is increased pulling power. I suppose it is different if you use DCC, but my motors do not fight each other. Same with steamers - I often have three locomotives tied together.
ecd15 posted:If the Atlas GP7s and GP9s had single motor drives, they would be **** near perfect. Unfortunately, they use the two motor drive. Sunset's single motor drive will be superior every time. Thankfully, Atlas did their GP7s in Lackawanna. …...
Opinion.
My friend has an Atlas Reading GP7 with the original QSI system, and we have it running smoothly at something less than 1 smph.
Not yours?
Jim
Atlas O definitely got the handrails right
it appears Atlas modeled the cast steel stanchions, while Lionel modeled the pressed steel ones. EMD changed the stanchion style during manufacture.
PRR Man posted:Atlas O definitely got the handrails right
it appears Atlas modeled the cast steel stanchions, while Lionel modeled the pressed steel ones. EMD changed the stanchion style during manufacture.
True but, the vertical handrail stanchions (solid bar stock on GP7) were changed to the "U channel" pressed steel (GP9 type), very late in the GP7 production. Thus, careful research of new builder photos of GP7 units would be in order to model the correct "U channel" vertical handrail stanchions.
I would love to see 3rd Rail do something new and different like a Baldwin AS-16 or Baby Face. I know several roads used the former but sadly only three or four used the latter but it would still be exciting to see.
The F units and Geeps are some of my favorite locos as they are a great representation of first generation diesel power but I agree they are way overdone. All Nation, Overland, P & D Hobby, Kemtron, Hallmark, Atlas, Red Caboose, MTH, Sunset....
The golden goose can lay only so many eggs.
I could go for a S&A AS616 or any other Baldwin road switcher for that matter. I just love the look of them.
prrjim posted:I'd be in for at least 2 PRR GP9s for general freight service. PRR had about 300 I think. I would probably be tempted by more if they did the late version with single large radiator fan instead of the two small ones. I'd go for the 2 small ones first however, no question.
Then I'd be in for a GP7 with the "torpedo" air tanks on the roof for a local passenger train.
Yes the reservation system seems to work pretty well. An announcement is made and we all jump in, or we don't and scott decides to do the product based on that. I think I have heard the target is about 1000 units to get the current price level. If we settle for a lot fewer units, the prices goes up considerably.
310, but who's counting?
I would like a GP7/9 in the red paint scheme of the CNJ
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Hot Water posted:PRR Man posted:Atlas O definitely got the handrails right
it appears Atlas modeled the cast steel stanchions, while Lionel modeled the pressed steel ones. EMD changed the stanchion style during manufacture.
True but, the vertical handrail stanchions (solid bar stock on GP7) were changed to the "U channel" pressed steel (GP9 type), very late in the GP7 production. Thus, careful research of new builder photos of GP7 units would be in order to model the correct "U channel" vertical handrail stanchions.
Atlas GP7 has the solid bar handrail stanchions.
You could always go vintage
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aterry11 posted:You could always go vintage
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