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Just in time for Christmas the Lenz V60 has arrive...terrific model of this little diesel switcher..this is a fully loaded engine in a small package @ 9.18 inches (23.3 centimeters)..operated either in dc or dcc, complete sounds package, electro-couplers...

even has the engineer who turn to always face the forward direction.!!! (not aware of this being offered in any other model of any brands in any scale)

Sadly I don't have 2 rails possibilities at the moment ( every time I see a new Lenz release make me wish for..!!!)

 

A well done video presentation with very little german comments

 

 

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1.  When the V36 was first introduced there was an explanation on the Lenz website on controlling the remote uncoupling feature in analogue operation.  Looking at the V60 manual I see no reference to such a facility -- nor can I find it anywhere on the Lenz website, including the V36 manual.  Is this feature still being offered, I wonder ?

 

2.  Nice video -- I wonder what his source for the station's baggage cart and "electro-carrier" was -- or is it homemade ?

 

Best rgds, SZ

 

 

Dear Lafondue or Steinzeit, I would like to purchase a Lenz loco or two

- V60 and the BR50- but have a few beginner questions of DB models. 

Are they equipped to run via NMRA DCC standards ?

Freight/Passenger equipment- are they compatible between manufacturers such as Lenz and Brawa?

How many brakemen shanty freight cars per train? I am assuming this was their version of our caboose?

Era 3 appears to be most popular?

What was the basic makeup of a normal DB passenger train?

 

Thanks for the responses. I and many on the list no nothing of these models and appreciate your thoughts on these models as you both have done with the reviews of the European MTH offerings.

 

                                                   Regards, John P.Dunn Sr.

I have preordered my V60 and am just waiting for it to arrive. From what I have read on some of the German language forums it appears to be their best product yet. I still have four of the four axle coaches to unpack this weekend. If I get them running I will post some video. I also have quite a few of the Brawa wagons and they are extremely well detailed and equipped with Lenz couplings that are just slightly different from the Lenz ones, but they are compatible. Currently on my layout, Georgenstadt I use both Lenz couplings and hook and link couplings. 

Also I can't wait until the VT98 rail busses come out. I understand they are currently not the assembly.

all the best,

Mike

Originally Posted by Steinzeit:

1.  When the V36 was first introduced there was an explanation on the Lenz website on controlling the remote uncoupling feature in analogue operation.  Looking at the V60 manual I see no reference to such a facility -- nor can I find it anywhere on the Lenz website, including the V36 manual.  Is this feature still being offered, I wonder ?

 

Probably a question that Stefan Burki can answer, they probably have these engine in their store...

 

2.  Nice video -- I wonder what his source for the station's baggage cart and "electro-carrier" was -- or is it homemade ?

 

Well from previous video from him, he is pretty hands on so a possibility, the crossing gate is self made...maybe also found them in one of many small company who have some nice details/ scenery pieces like Paulo or Schnellenkamp among others.

 

All the best for a great Christmas, Sincerely

 

 

 

Originally Posted by Lafondue:

even has the engineer who turn to always face the forward direction.!!! (not aware of this being offered in any other model of any brands in any scale)

 

The Lionel #50 Gang car had this feature back in the 1950's!

 

Nice video, I like the siderod action on the loco.  Great scenery on that layout.

 

John

Originally Posted by jdunn:

Dear Lafondue or Steinzeit, I would like to purchase a Lenz loco or two

- V60 and the BR50- but have a few beginner questions of DB models. 

Are they equipped to run via NMRA DCC standards ?

 

Yes they are : http://www.lenzusa.com/1newsite1/Conformance.html

 

Freight/Passenger equipment- are they compatible between manufacturers such as Lenz and Brawa?

 

As Mike mention, they are..even the MTH europeans 2 rails engines/ cars are equiped with Lenz style couplers and so 100% compatible.

 

How many brakemen shanty freight cars per train? I am assuming this was their version of our caboose?

 

Depend, until the 30's each freight cars had a brakeman cabin..after the introduction of air brake only 1 .

 

Era 3 appears to be most popular?

 

It's the most interesting, from 1945 to 1970...include the post war rebuilding, the switch from DRG (a corporation) to state owned DB or DR...etc...allow operation of steam, diesel and electric...

 

What was the basic makeup of a normal DB passenger train?

 

again depend on which passenger train..some local second line only have 2-3 cars.

an average long distance/ intercity would be a bagage cars, 3 1st class coach, a restaurant car and 6-7 2nd class coach

 

Thanks for the responses. I and many on the list no nothing of these models and appreciate your thoughts on these models as you both have done with the reviews of the European MTH offerings.

 

                                                   Regards, John P.Dunn Sr.

Hope this help...a bit.

 

All the best for a great Christmas.

Sincerely,

 

 The manual of my V100 also doesn't mention anything about remote uncoupling with DC, so I suppose it's not included. One word of warning is that the V60 is out now and the BR50 is still on the planning list. So it might still be a couple of years before it's in the shop. At least this gives you some time for deciding which version to buy  

Hi John

For at least the last 20 years I have been purchasing directly from Europe. When the VAT is taken off it about covers the cost of postage to the US. I buy many of my items fromMichael Schnellenkamp. I have also been a member of the Arge Spur O since 96 and their website has great links to all the major European O Scale manufacturers. If I am beuying MTH then it is mostly Nassau Hobbies or Trainworld.

All the best,

Miketg

John Dunn:

  1.  The German equivalent of the caboose was the "Pwg", freely translated as "freight train baggage car".  These were on "all" German freight trains up till the diesel era [ simplification ], and were hauled immediately behind the locomotive.  Fortunately Lenz has finally announced one;  for Ep III you want the DB one without the cupola.

  2.  As Lafondue said [ although typically in Germany the ratio of 2nd to 1st was higher in my opinion ].  But "what is a typical Pennsy passenger train" applies.  In Ep3 you can run short all 1st cl expresses or short all second class locals, and a lot in between.  Heartily recommended is "Zugbildung (1), DB-Reisezuge der Epoche 3" by the late Michael Meinhold.  Magazine-sized;  in German of course, but the pictures + diagrams translate it clearly.

 

  Tom T:

The only true Lenz 0 dealer in North America I'm aware of is Eurorail Hobbies in BC.  Lenz has not seen fit to treat the US 0 market with any respect.  [ I've heard a plausible explanation, but won't publicly say it.]

 

Best, SZ

 

I'm hoping that someone here will clear up something that is still confusing me, but before I put my question to you, I apologise if I'm trying to compare apples with pears.

 

A week or so ago I called the UK distributor of Lenz O as I wanted to know if Lenz locos would run in straight DC mode if they hadn't detected a DCC signal.   The reason that I was enquiring is that my Atlas US diesels in 2-rail Gold will run in DC mode on non-DCC track.  The fact that I can't get the volume under control is another matter.

 

I was told by the importer, A & H Models, that if I tried that with a Lenz loco I would probably fry the elctronics in five minutes.   Was this statement exageration, or are Lenz chips susceptible to over-cooking?  

 

I would be inclined to think it odd that even though Lenz are a major manufacturer of DCC equipment that they would exclude their products from potential buyers still operating a more traditional mode.  

 

My 'O' scale club has about 45 members, none of which operate DCC, and without a home layout I think circuitry that can be switched off manually, or detect the lack of a DCC presence is essential.

 

So, was I right not to go ahead with the purchase of the V100.1133?

 

Ed 

Originally Posted by siestaman:

I'm hoping that someone here will clear up something that is still confusing me, but before I put my question to you, I apologise if I'm trying to compare apples with pears.

 

A week or so ago I called the UK distributor of Lenz O as I wanted to know if Lenz locos would run in straight DC mode if they hadn't detected a DCC signal.   The reason that I was enquiring is that my Atlas US diesels in 2-rail Gold will run in DC mode on non-DCC track.  The fact that I can't get the volume under control is another matter.

 

I was told by the importer, A & H Models, that if I tried that with a Lenz loco I would probably fry the elctronics in five minutes.   Was this statement exageration, or are Lenz chips susceptible to over-cooking?  

 

I would be inclined to think it odd that even though Lenz are a major manufacturer of DCC equipment that they would exclude their products from potential buyers still operating a more traditional mode.  

 

My 'O' scale club has about 45 members, none of which operate DCC, and without a home layout I think circuitry that can be switched off manually, or detect the lack of a DCC presence is essential.

 

So, was I right not to go ahead with the purchase of the V100.1133?

 

Ed 

Dunno why the British importer would mention that..!!!Language barrier, seem Lenz 0 products only have german instruction..website as well (for their DCC products it's a bit better)

 

All Lenz engine will run in analog/ conventional mode with no issue, the processor recognize automatically if DCC or just DC is present. The DC max voltage is 16v.

 

If you read german here is the Lenz v60 instruction manual.

 

http://www.digital-plus.de/pdf/b_40140-01_d.pdf

 

 

 

Hi LaFondue,

Thanks for posting the instructions. I am still waiting for my V60. In the instructions it clearly states the loco will run on DCC and analog DC up to 16 volts. It seems the only problem in DC is that the locomotive starts at 2 volts but that the constant lighting does not kick in until 4 volts. On my layout, Georgenstadt, I run both DC and Lenz DCC. The layout started as a standard DC block operated system and then I added a cut off switch, i.e. I can switch the whole layout between the two systems. To make this upgrade took about two hours. If you are going to get the Lenz locos, splurge and add in the DCC. It adds a whole new dimension to the hobby. Just my two cents worth and all the best, Miketg

Originally Posted by Steinzeit:

John Dunn:

  1.  The German equivalent of the caboose was the "Pwg", freely translated as "freight train baggage car".  These were on "all" German freight trains up till the diesel era [ simplification ], and were hauled immediately behind the locomotive.  Fortunately Lenz has finally announced one;  for Ep III you want the DB one without the cupola.

Steinzeit,

on the main Forum here there is a thread asking about cabooses/brake vans on European trains.  I had posted that back in the late 60's when I lived in Wurzburg I saw double headed steam log trains climbing out of the Main river valley, and I didn't notice anything on those trains.  I was expecting something at the end of the train, so maybe I missed one behind the 2 locos, or is it possible that the log trains at that late date didn't have one?
 
John

John23:  Most likely there wasn't one, for a number of reasons:

 1.  Era:  I was thinking of, say, 1956 or so as the start of the 'diesel era' on DB.

 2.  Kabintender [ = tender doghouse ] on one of the steamers.

 3.  Block train, eg, no intermediate switching, paperwork etc.

 

Siesta:   Amazing a Lenz dealer would say that.  I wonder if they misunderstood your question, eg, as putting DC and DCC onto the same trackage at the same time, say.

 

Mike G:  You do park your DC only locos in 'dead' blocks when operating in DCC mode, don't you ?

 

Anybody:  I realize that using DCC in place of a cab on an otherwise block-with-cab-selector layout is potentially [ pun intended ] a problem due to inadvertant "bridging" of the gaps, at least on common rail layouts.  To solve this problem Lenz created the LT100 module, which detected the digital signal on the DC side and quickly removed the DC power.  But the LT100 was discontinued many years ago, and one was needed for each cab.

   Does anyone know of a device that can detect the DCC signal on a DC [ analogue ] feed and either open the circuit or open another contact ?

 

Best rgds, SZ

Hi SZ,

Good point, I always park my DC locomotives in dead blocks when running DCC and actually vice versa. On my control panel my main control switch goes DCC off and then DC. When I finish an operating session I always put the main switch in the off position.

If I were to build another layout I would build it the same way with electrical blocks. It makes trouble shooting real easy and I will always have a large roster of DC locomotives.

Hopefully this weekend I will post some more videos.

All the best,

Miketg

Originally Posted by Miketg:

Hi LaFondue,

Thanks for posting the instructions. I am still waiting for my V60. In the instructions it clearly states the loco will run on DCC and analog DC up to 16 volts. It seems the only problem in DC is that the locomotive starts at 2 volts but that the constant lighting does not kick in until 4 volts. On my layout, Georgenstadt, I run both DC and Lenz DCC. The layout started as a standard DC block operated system and then I added a cut off switch, i.e. I can switch the whole layout between the two systems. To make this upgrade took about two hours. If you are going to get the Lenz locos, splurge and add in the DCC. It adds a whole new dimension to the hobby. Just my two cents worth and all the best, Miketg

No problem...seem shipment from Germany take longer than usual around Christmas time, DHL/DP seem swamped...my Bemo car is still in transit, shipped on December 10 (usually take less than 10 days)...it's ok, it's not a life saving medication.

 

Understand people who do not want to add DCC, but agree with you running under any type of command control add so much more.

 

Sincerely,

Hi everyone, the Lenz V60 haven't made it to Switzerland, I expect them to arrive here in the first week of January. Lenz products run just fine on any DC power supply. You can even change from DC to DCC (and the other way around) on the fly. Have you ever tried the "power storage" feature? I always love to show that feature with my costumized BR 64, the show is always on my side, the unexperienced wonder why and the professional scratch their heads. Its a feature you'll never get with DCS or TMCC. If anyone should have trouble getting Lenz products, we ship overseas too.

Regards, Stefan

Hi folks,

I just got through unpacking and testing my Lenz V60. In my opinion it is their best locomotive to date. It is super smooth and makes my trackwork look great. The speed control settings are right for this type of locomtive, slow. The sound is clear but not overpowering and watchting the side rods turn is just magic. I did not have my camera out but should have. In my station, accross three tracks I had a lineup of the V60, the Lenz BR64 and a red Lenz V100. Again, another fine product from Lenz.

All the best,

Miketg 

Hi everybody and hi Miketg,

this is an impressive lineup of Lenz locos. I am still waiting for mine to find it's way to New Zealand. I am running the V36 and the Koef and I find these just great.  I hope to get the V60 and the railcar around Easter.

 

There is no Lenz retailet in New Zealand and I purchase my goods in Germany, too.

 

Happy modelling

Stefan

 

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