TMCC Lionmaster Challenger struggling to run after replacing traction tires.

Daniel J. GonzalezOGR Forum Member

Hi everyone,

As the title implies, I am having issues with my TMCC Lionmaster Challenger. It ran perfectly fine a few weeks ago. The only element that has changed is that during Lionel's Parts Sale I ordered a set of traction tires, part # 6308071206. These are listed as the direct replacement to the original part number found on the diagram on Lionel's page. My engine is part # 6-38023.

Now I do know this, these tires are thicker than what was removed as well as the original ones had a sort of traction texture to them while these new ones are smooth.

Today I decided to dig deeper into this and see if the tires, being that they seemed thicker, we're binding against the blind driver directly in front of the driver with the tire on it. I brougth my flashlight and glasses because nothing was going to be seen otherwise, and would you know it, they are indeed binding. I was able to take this photo showing what is happening.

This binding is causing the slow and go action I am having.

So what the heck should I do? Did I order the wrong tires? If so Lionel is going to send me some for the free99 because I ordered what their site told me too. Does everyone have the correct part number if I am wrong?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

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12/3/189:58 PM

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bmoran4OGR Forum Member

Based on the original Lionel part number of 600-0242-206, I wonder if you could get away with using the PW 242-206 traction tiers:

https://store.justtrains.com/L...bber-Tire_p_501.html

https://www.ebay.com/p/Lionel-...p2047675.m4097.l9055

http://www.ttender.com/partslist.html

12/4/1812:43 AM

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cjackOGR Forum Member DIGITAL SUBSCRIBER

I have read on the forum that some order replacement MTH traction tires which fit better.

12/4/184:57 AM

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Daniel J. GonzalezOGR Forum Member

bmoran4 posted:
Based on the original Lionel part number of 600-0242-206, I wonder if you could get away with using the PW 242-206 traction tiers:
https://store.justtrains.com/L...bber-Tire_p_501.html
https://www.ebay.com/p/Lionel-...p2047675.m4097.l9055
http://www.ttender.com/partslist.html

If they had measurements I would consider them but i was not able to find that info on those links.

Thanks for the help!

12/4/189:08 AM

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cjackOGR Forum Member DIGITAL SUBSCRIBER

Here's a chart of MTH with sizes...

and here is the Lionel without sizes...

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cjackOGR Forum Member DIGITAL SUBSCRIBER

I copied this Lionel chart with sizes too, hope it copies to the forum here...

(TRACTION TIRE REFERENCE LIST) TRACTION TIRE REFERENCE LIST

Part #
Name
Sequence
Price

6108483206
TRACTION TIRE / .312" ID x .060" TH x .134" WD
1
$1.50

6408166206
TRACTION TIRE / .406" ID x .038" TH x .094" WD
2
$1.50

6000065206
TRACTION TIRE / .438" ID x .038" TH x .124" WD
3
$1.50

Unavailable
6000065043
TRACTION TIRE / .468" ID x .036" TH x .116" WD
4
$1.50

6408142206
TRACTION TIRE / .500" ID x .034" TH x .058" WD
5
$1.50

6108468206
TRACTION TIRE / .500" ID x .046" TH x .154" WD
6
$1.50

6108360206
TRACTION TIRE / .500" ID x .064" TH x .128" WD
7
$1.50

6108323206 / 6108360206
TRACTION TIRE / .500" ID x .068" TH x .128" WD
8
$1.50

Unavailable
6308861206
TRACTION TIRE / .531" ID x .042" TH x .112" WD
9
$1.50

6201263206
TRACTION TIRE / .562" ID x .034" TH x .144" WD
10
$1.50

Unavailable
6308027206
TRACTION TIRE / .562" ID x .038" TH x .140" WD
11
$1.50

Unavailable
6305482206
TRACTION TIRE / .562" ID x .048" TH x .166" WD
12
$1.50

6408163206
TRACTION TIRE / .562" ID x .058" TH x .090" WD
13
$1.50

6408153177
TRACTION TIRE / .562" ID x .062" TH x .090" WD
14
$1.50

6201658206
TRACTION TIRE / .594" ID x .034" TH x .120" WD
15
$1.50

Unavailable
6106001065
TRACTION TIRE / .625" ID x .036" TH x .150" WD
16
$1.50

6208613206
TRACTION TIRE / .625" ID x .040" TH x .148" WD
17
$1.50

6801365206
TRACTION TIRE / .625" ID x .040" TH x .154" WD
18
$1.50

6108427125
TRACTION TIRE / .625" ID x .040" TH x .160" WD
19
$1.50

6108357206
TRACTION TIRE / .625" ID x .044" TH x .114" WD
20
$1.50

6208815206
TRACTION TIRE / .625" ID x .044" TH x .138" WD *
21
$1.50

6208530206
TRACTION TIRE / .625" ID x .046" TH x .138" WD
22
$1.50

Unavailable
6108274206
TRACTION TIRE / .625" ID x .046" TH x .144" WD
23
$1.50

6108596206 alt 6308302206
TRACTION TIRE / .625" ID x .054" TH x .140" WD
24
$1.50

Unavailable
6308302206
TRACTION TIRE / .625" ID x .054" TH x .144" WD
25
$1.50

6408178206
TRACTION TIRE / .625" ID x .058" TH x .090" WD
26
$1.50

6304678206
TRACTION TIRE / .625" ID x .058" TH x .148" WD
27
$1.50

6408082206
TRACTION TIRE / .687" ID x .038" TH x .086" WD
28
$1.50

6408039206
TRACTION TIRE / .687" ID x .056" TH x .102" WD
29
$1.50

Unavailable
6000222108
TRACTION TIRE / .750" ID x .034" TH x .148" WD
30
$1.50

6308661206
TRACTION TIRE / .750" ID x .048" TH x .140" WD
31
$1.50

6108461206
TRACTION TIRE / .812" ID x .036" TH x .150" WD
32
$1.50

6108052206
TRACTION TIRE / .812" ID x .052" TH x .098" WD
33
$1.50

6101386206
TRACTION TIRE / .812" ID x .058" TH x .118" WD
34
$1.50

6SP8075065
TRACTION TIRE / .875" ID x .026" TH x .134" WD
35
$1.50

Unavailable
6SP8060065
TRACTION TIRE / .875" ID x .026" TH x .136" WD
36
$1.50

6108354206
TRACTION TIRE / .875" ID x .030" TH x .142" WD
37
$1.50

Unavailable
6101462206
TRACTION TIRE / .875" ID x .036" TH x .134" WD
38
$1.50

Unavailable
6108734206
TRACTION TIRE / 1.00" ID x .034" TH x .148" WD
39
$1.50

Unavailable
6308071206
TRACTION TIRE / 1.00" ID x .046" TH x .118" WD
40
$1.50

6000242206
TRACTION TIRE / 1.00" ID x .048" TH x .118" WD
41
$1.50

Unavailable
6000242205
TRACTION TIRE / 1.00" ID x .048" TH x .124" WD
42
$1.50

6101207206
TRACTION TIRE / 1.00" ID x .050" TH x .118" WD
43
$1.50

6SP8072206
TRACTION TIRE / 1.062" ID x .020" TH x .118" WD
44
$1.50

6SP8072006
TRACTION TIRE / 1.062" ID x .020" TH x .118" WD
45
$6.20

6208069206
TRACTION TIRE / 1.062" ID x .038" TH x .118" WD
46
$1.50

6208063615
TRACTION TIRE / 1.125" ID x .054" TH x .124" WD
47
$1.50

6008206056
TRACTION TIRE / 1.125" ID x .076" TH x .134" WD
48
$1.50

6508505206
TRACTION TIRE / 1.187" ID x .050" TH x .124" WD
49
$1.50

6101334768
TRACTION TIRE / 1.187" ID x .058" TH x .118" WD
50
$1.50

6101292206
TRACTION TIRE / 1.187" ID x .060" TH x .118" WD
51
$1.50

Unavailable
7101069206 ALT 7101020206
TRACTION TIRE / 1.375" ID x .046" TH x .144" WD
52
$1.50

Unavailable
7101020206
TRACTION TIRE / 1.375" ID x .056" TH x .142" WD
53
$1.50

7101084206
TRACTION TIRE / 2.125" ID x .068" TH x .230" WD
54
$1.50

12/4/1810:46 AM

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MEDOGR Forum Member

Just to add a thought on this problem. Keep in mind that the thickness of the traction tire is one factor, as is the diameter of the wheel the traction tire is made for. But also, is the width of the traction tire - it has to fully seat in the wheel's groove, else it will have the same effect as being to thick.

12/4/181:51 PM

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gunrunnerjohnOGR Forum Member SUPPORTING MEMBERDIGITAL SUBSCRIBER

Use the MTH tires, that's what I do.

12/4/183:57 PM

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Daniel J. GonzalezOGR Forum Member

I have a Scale MTH Hudson, it might be close to what I need according to what the MTH chart shows. I will try it out tonight and keep you all posted.

Appreciate the help!

12/4/184:01 PM

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rich64OGR Forum Member

I had to replace the tires on my Challenger some years back and found them extremely thin compared to everything else. All other tires caused severe binding except for the originals so if the new ones are thicker there will be a problem. RICH

12/4/184:12 PM

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gunrunnerjohnOGR Forum Member SUPPORTING MEMBERDIGITAL SUBSCRIBER

That's why I use MTH tires, considerably thinner than most of the Lionel tires.