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Rod Stewart posted:

"(But please, no "Daylighted" version. SHUDDER..)"

And just what's wrong with a Daylight AC-9?

Rod

IIRC, when Lionel produced the "Daylighted" AC-12 it was the only one with the small Southern Pacific Lines lettering on the tender. I'm afraid they would do the same on this model!

BobbyD posted:
Rod Stewart posted:

"(But please, no "Daylighted" version. SHUDDER..)"

And just what's wrong with a Daylight AC-9?

Rod

IIRC, when Lionel produced the "Daylighted" AC-12 it was the only one with the small Southern Pacific Lines lettering on the tender. I'm afraid they would do the same on this model!

When Lionel first issued the SP AC-9, I'm pretty sure it was lettered in the small, as delivered in 1939, "Southern Pacific Lines". Prior to weathering, I had my Lionel AC-9 tender re-lettered for the post 1946 large "SOUTHERN PACIFIC", and I think it looks a LOT better.

Almost forgot - N&W Class A is due for a refresh from Lionel, IIRC.  Would be much broader appeal than Jawn Henry, though might wait another year or two to space it out from the LEGACY Y6b they put out last year.  Still, would love to see that done w/all the steam effects they used in the Big Boy.  While I'm dreaming, maybe cylinder steam too? 

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Hot Water posted:

When Lionel first issued the SP AC-9, I'm pretty sure it was lettered in the small, as delivered in 1939, "Southern Pacific Lines". Prior to weathering, I had my Lionel AC-9 tender re-lettered for the post 1946 large "SOUTHERN PACIFIC", and I think it looks a LOT better.

That should be correct. Sadly when the rivet counters come over and we claim it to be 1941 they start moaning if an engine has billboard Southern Pacific.

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AC-9: small "Lines" version looks more suave than the billboard version.

Above: "Tooling already done and PAID FOR, just needs the upgrade! Coal or Oil" Not quite true:

I would buy an oil version if offered and updated correctly, including, of course, the new tenders, as the old tenders were not converted from coal to oil.

This tender would indeed require new tooling; the trucks were different, too. The steel frame might be re-useable.

If they come out in a Daylight version, I'm buying one and re-painting it in either NYC Empire State Express or NYC Century Hudson colors. Better-looking and just as realistic.

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D500 posted:

AC-9: small "Lines" version looks more suave than the billboard version.

Above: "Tooling already done and PAID FOR, just needs the upgrade! Coal or Oil" Not quite true:

I would buy an oil version if offered and updated correctly, including, of course, the new tenders, as the old tenders were not converted from coal to oil.

This tender would indeed require new tooling; the trucks were different, too. The steel frame might be re-useable.

If they come out in a Daylight version, I'm buying one and re-painting it in either NYC Empire State Express or NYC Century Hudson colors. Better-looking and just as realistic.

"Above: "Tooling already done and PAID FOR, just needs the upgrade! Coal or Oil" Not quite true:

I'm only in for the original coal load tender and "Southern Pacific Lines" lettering, that tool should be ready to go! Oil tender and billboard lettering I'm out.

 

If they come out in a Daylight version, I'm buying one and re-painting it in either NYC Empire State Express or NYC Century Hudson colors. Better-looking and just as realistic.

You'll have to post a picture for us!!

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D500 posted:

AC-9: small "Lines" version looks more suave than the billboard version.

Not apparently to the managers on the SP, as they got rid of that small lettering, starting in 1946.

Above: "Tooling already done and PAID FOR, just needs the upgrade! Coal or Oil" Not quite true:

I would buy an oil version if offered and updated correctly, including, of course, the new tenders, as the old tenders were not converted from coal to oil.

That depends on which road number you are referring to/modeling. Not all of the 11 out of 12 AC-9 locomotives received those former C&O H-7 tenders.

This tender would indeed require new tooling; the trucks were different, too. The steel frame might be re-useable.

Only if the "converted to oil" former C&O H-7 tender is used, which by the way, Lionel already has! The original SP tenders had 3-axle Buckeye trucks, while the C&O used 3-axle Commonwealth trucks. 

 

 

I have looked through the wonderful WISH list and my thinking, and its just what I think I would like to see, is THE F3 LIONEL SANTE FE's, in the War Bonnet Colors. The units would not really have to be Diecast, (but that would be nice) , smoking units, diesel/steam release over the front trucks, Powered A, Powered B, Dummy A... Front and Rear Automatic Couplers, good bell sounds and a horn sound, really good rev sounds with a super bass effect. This would be the Cadillac of all F Units ever made. They could possibly offer this in the New York Central Theme also.  Great Thread, Thanks for Asking.

leapinlarry posted:

I have looked through the wonderful WISH list and my thinking, and its just what I think I would like to see, is THE F3 LIONEL SANTE FE's, in the War Bonnet Colors. The units would not really have to be Diecast, (but that would be nice) , smoking units, diesel/steam release over the front trucks, Powered A, Powered B, Dummy A... Front and Rear Automatic Couplers, good bell sounds and a horn sound, really good rev sounds with a super bass effect. This would be the Cadillac of all F Units ever made. They could possibly offer this in the New York Central Theme also.  Great Thread, Thanks for Asking.

If Lionel were to produce a VisionLine F3, I would suggest that the basic "set offering" be an ABA with ALL units powered having full effects (i.e., smoke, sound, electro-couplers, etc...).  And an optional B-unit could be made available as a non-powered dummy (for folks like me who like ABBA or even ABBBA configs), but I'd want the dummy-B to have smoke and sounds though.

Since I'm already planning to purchase Atlas-O's upcoming F3/F7 in Santa Fe livery, I'd skip the Santa Fe in favor of a NYC.    But honestly, if Lionel were to offer a VisionLine F3/F7, I couldn't imagine them NOT doing it in Santa Fe livery.

David

Richard Gonzales posted:

Yes Yes!  

The IC 4 8 2 is a great idea. There is not enough IC  prototypical steam in the market at all.

Good call Joe.

Richard

 

 

 

Thanks Richard,

Some nice IC 50 ton coal hoppers and a prototypical (use Weaver tooling or 3D printed) IC caboose would be a nice addition to it as well. Lionel could make a large variety of 4-8-2's since they were used by many railroads.

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