Found them...
Its a toy train company, not an automobile manufacturer, oil company, or a pharmaceutical ......its a toy train company
Its a handfull of folks that come up with this stuff to market and sell to us, the minute fraction of the population that even gives a crap about the dwindling hobby of toy trains.
Then they have to find a small chinese manufacturer capable enough, and willing to bother with a few thousand pieces at a time when they would rather be assembling millions of items for Apple.
Lionel simply doesn't know, no different than MTH, Atlas, and while Sunset is able to better handle delays because they only manufacture a couple hundred pieces, they still have delays.
How many times do you have to question their "corporate competence" before you simply take your buisness elsewhere?
They delay sucks, its a given, but your constant 'axe grinding" here on the forum accomplishes nothing. Why not "grind it" at Lionels email address? It won't change anything, but at least you would be at the source.
Last time I checked Lionel was a corporation and they do millions of dollars in sales. I think that qualifies them to be a corporation large enough to stand up to questioning from time to time. You are quite right when you state if I contact Lionel directly on this issue it wouldn't do any good. Conversely, if they do in fact monitor this forum and take notice that there are a lot of customers out there who are dissatisfied with their lack of communication on this problem, maybe just maybe, they might respond.
Also, I suggest you go back and review not only this thread but others as well on this issue which clearly shows there are a lot of other people "grinding their axe" with Lionel on this issue. I don't think I'm alone.
Additionally, this is a give and take forum where people have the capability to freely voice their opinion on train related issues within certain parameters of course. My suggestion would be if an individual doesn't like a post he or she doesn't have to read it. But then again, I must admit that there are individuals who must insist that if a person disagrees with them they should take their business elsewhere. I guess there are some people who expect us all to march to the sound of the same drummer. Sounds rather like goose-stepping to me RickO.
Bad news .... Lionel is saying that southeast Asian pirates attacked the container ship and made off with the Legacy units.
I find this thread entertaining.
I find this thread entertaining.
So do I, gotta have a little humor in our lives and after all this is only a hobby. You can't take this stuff too seriously or you will be miserable.
And as far as Lionel realizing people are not happy about the Legacy situation, I am certain they are aware of the problem and the frustrations of their customers and probably like it a lot less than we do. I think if a solution was found this very minute, they would probably call in their entire staff and get it resolved immediately and they would be shipped tomorrow to get it out of their hair, it's a big thorn in their side too.
Bad news .... Lionel is saying that southeast Asian pirates attacked the container ship and made off with the Legacy units.
Well, it's good to see they have their safety devices (3 old tires) installed.
That must be the CO on top (the bridge?) of the box, I can tell by his hat 
Goose-stepping? Really? My point was, if your dissatisfied with Lionel " take your buisness elsewhere", like MTH or another manufacturer. Having said that, MTH is no stranger to delays without explanation, and they own the overseas manufacturer.
When I'm uhappy with a product from a specific manufacturer, I switch brands.
You can post your rants on the forum all day long its fine by me. Everyone is frustrated by the delay, you seem to be obsessed with it by the whole "corporate coverup" thing, but good luck.
It would seem like a better idea to say, focus on the blessings of the little one in your photo than get all wound up over a toy train company that doesn't care.
This is not the first excessively long delay of a product by Lionel, and it likely won't be the last.
I waited a over year for the first Legacy Lionmaster bigboy, there was no explanation. As I recall the VL hudsons were pushed back a few times as well, no explanation. My brother has Lionels Pocahontas set on order, it was offered in the 2012 vol2 catalog. It was due in spring and has been pushed back and "guesstimated" for September...no explanation. I'm certain there are many other examples.
I think Rick said a mouthful. Frustrated vs. Obsessed.
Not directing that statement to anyone. You have to decide where you fall.
I waited a over year for the first Legacy Lionmaster bigboy, there was no explanation.
It was being QA tested by Marty's squirrel. (He had to be certain that there were no loose nuts.)
Goose-stepping? Really? My point was, if your dissatisfied with Lionel " take your buisness elsewhere", like MTH or another manufacturer. Having said that, MTH is no stranger to delays without explanation, and they own the overseas manufacturer.
When I'm uhappy with a product from a specific manufacturer, I switch brands.
You can post your rants on the forum all day long its fine by me. Everyone is frustrated by the delay, you seem to be obsessed with it by the whole "corporate coverup" thing, but good luck.
It would seem like a better idea to say, focus on the blessings of the little one in your photo than get all wound up over a toy train company that doesn't care.
This is not the first excessively long delay of a product by Lionel, and it likely won't be the last.
I waited a over year for the first Legacy Lionmaster bigboy, there was no explanation. As I recall the VL hudsons were pushed back a few times as well, no explanation. My brother has Lionels Pocahontas set on order, it was offered in the 2012 vol2 catalog. It was due in spring and has been pushed back and "guesstimated" for September...no explanation. I'm certain there are many other examples.
Over the long haul I have been a loyal customer of Lionel and plan on sticking with them. That being said, it certainly does not mean one can't offer criticism when it is due and I think in this case it certainly is due. Criticism often times results in modified policy and/or behavior and I really believe that Lionel needs to communicate with their customers. Hence, the criticism. And as I have said, there have been numerous other individuals calling on Lionel to speak on this problem.
I will also state that I think you are really way over the top when you classify my postings on this issue as "rants". They are simply statements to the effect that Lionel should communicate on this problem. In this particular instance it would seem you disagree that Lionel should respond on this issue. That is fine with me because you are certainly entitled to your opinion but so am I.
You state that I can "rant" all day long on this problem if I wish but your behavior belies your words. From the very outset in response to my posts regarding the 990 you immediately began using inaccurate statements to discredit my opinion. Using terms like the "orange and blue conspiracy" and my so called obsession with the "corporate cover up" have been distorted characterizations of my statements. In fact, these are your words, not mine. Name calling and distortions are an old trick to discredit opinions with which a person disagrees. I suggest you try a new trick.
Finally, in terms of obsession I think if one goes back and reviews the statements and responses on this thread and others regarding the 990 problem I think one would find that if anything you are obsessed with attempting to muzzle my viewpoint. All I can say is that periodic postings on this forum criticizing Lionel on their failure to communicate on the 990 certainly does not amount to an "obsession". Again, that word is yours and not mine.
As I previously stated I sleep fine at night. Hope you do as well.
Nobody likes being told their baby (Lionel or MTH) is ugly
Then they shouldn't have ugly babies
Its all fun n games til somebody comes on the forum wearing their sensitive pants. I got all the Legacy systems I need so fooey on Lionel and the delays. If somebody really needs a Legacy system they should get on the phone and start calling Lionel dealers til they find one. I guarantee there are more than a few sitting on small hobby store shelves just waiting to be purchased. And if you're lucky it will still have the last retail price on it of $350 instead of the new $400. We should all be thankful for the delays, gives us opportunities buy other stuff
Saw one on eBay for $500 and yes idiots were bidding on it.
Matt, that's why I never pre-order. If I miss out on something or something I want is cancelled because of low pre-orders well, them's the breaks.
I preorder lots of stuff but I never prepay or put deposits down with the exception of the Vision Line Big Boy which I paid a deposit but i want that engine. I guarantee that Lionel will not be cancelling the Legacy systems, that would be like Ford selling cars but cancelling the keys.
I've got one on pre order, as well as the VL BB. I'm also sure that Lionel won't cancel either. The timing may not be to my liking, but as long as I get both, and they work, then I'll be satisfied.
I've got one on pre order, as well as the VL BB. I'm also sure that Lionel won't cancel either. The timing may not be to my liking, but as long as I get both, and they work, then I'll be satisfied.
there is no rime or reason when it is updated. and no schedule also.
there is no rime or reason when it is updated. and no schedule also.
It says July of 14.But they did not say 2014 or 3014 
!!!
there is no rime or reason when it is updated. and no schedule also.
that has been what I have observed for the last five years.
there is no rime or reason when it is updated. and no schedule also.
that has been what I have observed for the last five years.
maybe they are voting on how many months they should add to delayed items
Maybe they asked the maker not to ship until after they get relocated in NC, just a thought. Less "stuff" for them to pack and move around.
Maybe they asked the maker not to ship until after they get relocated in NC, just a thought. Less "stuff" for them to pack and move around.
stuff has been shipped to NC for about two years. then to everywhere else.
i just hope they are at least in production
I think they were produced last fall. There was a glitch. They have been trying to fix them since then. That could have involved shipment back to manufacturer? Last comment on them was that they were dealing with the problem in house.
I think they were produced last fall. There was a glitch. They have been trying to fix them since then. That could have involved shipment back to manufacturer? Last comment on them was that they were dealing with the problem in house.
I sure hope that when the 990s finally reach buyers that they work properly. I certainly don't want a $300 lemon.
I imagine the lemons are what they are trying to prevent with all the delays. And I hope they will be successful as well, and sometime soon too!
Gentlemen,
Man I wish the Pirates would have hijacked our 990 units, I would dispatch our SF & Seal Units to recover them, as it is we have no real intel on exactly where the 990 Legacy Units really are! Lionel is playing this very close to the vest.
PCRR/Dave
Gentlemen,
Man I wish the Pirates would have hijacked our 990 units, I would dispatch our SF & Seal Units to recover them, as it is we have no real intel on exactly where the 990 Legacy Units really are! Lionel is playing this very close to the vest.
PCRR/Dave
Much to their discredit.
When released it will be for iPhone. It will need a legacy base and LCS WiFi adapter though. Outside vendors are creating apps for other platforms.
Some preliminary iCab information cab be found here:
When released it will be for iPhone. It will need a legacy base and LCS WiFi adapter though. Outside vendors are creating apps for other platforms.
Some preliminary iCab information cab be found here:
Though I still need to have a full Legacy system (still on order). Are there any plans of a standalone base for those wishing to run via mobile applications?
When released it will be for iPhone. It will need a legacy base and LCS WiFi adapter though. Outside vendors are creating apps for other platforms.
Some preliminary iCab information cab be found here:
Though I still need to have a full Legacy system (still on order). Are there any plans of a standalone base for those wishing to run via mobile applications?
Seems like you could use a CAB1L base which is available separately.
Seems like you could use a CAB1L base which is available separately.
This is very interesting Marty - Thanks!
Have not been following these developments very well and am curious as to how soon can I use my iPhone5s to run through our Legacy base?
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