Any Interest In a Seaboard Turtleback (Round-Roof) Boxcar?

Bob Delbridge posted:

Honestly, Jim says there's not been a lot of interest shown from the O-scale folks in any resin kits and feels it's not worth his effort and $$$. 

I wonder if that has anything to do with his not actually reaching out to the O scale community through more media options - if few know of him and his possible products, maybe that has something to do with lack of interest?

I wonder if his putting a little advert in print, e.g., "contact me if you have an interest in....." and put a list in the advert.  Passively relying on a web site for a producer that you may not know to make a product seems a sure way to not get any business or to get anything made.

Maybe what you are doing here will help, Bob.

You might be right Martin.  The crowd on the ACL/SAL Yahoo forum is mostly HO, some N and S, and only a handful of O-scalers.

He said he had offered O-scale at one time, but sales were insignificant and his interest in S-scale got the better of him so that's the direction he took.

I did start a topic about his S-scale car in the S-scale forum, but no responses so far:

https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/t...dd-round-roof-boxcar

No responses on a forum for a scale that he's already offered, and trying to drum up business for another model for, says a lot I'm afraid.

Well, all I can do is put the word out and if people want to respond that's all that can be expected.

These were very important cars for Seaboard and widely used on their system.  If the cost is not astronomical I'd consider getting a couple of them.  I have two of the fantasy SAL MTH RailKing round-roof boxcars (I think I determined they are B&O prototypes) and need to repaint them if I can find the right color (I've been in touch with Ed Bommer).

I bought 3 different X-31a's from Lionel. Nice true "O" cars featuring metal details and good quality. Close enough for me.

Steve, your models always look amazing

Other than the number of side panels and side sill, a big difference in these 2 cars (SAL vs PRR) is the roof/side joint.  The SAL cars meet evenly where the PRR X31a cars are formed like the brim on a hat (as on the Lionel model):

Now the PRR X31c double-door cars may be closer to the SAL DD cars, but I'd have to do a thorough check:

From what era are these cars modeled?, also, how would they compare ( size, scale ) to postwar locomotives?.

Clarence, SAL bought these cars from Pullman in 1940-1942 and went on to become SCL (1967-1981) cars wearing road-numbers 819000-819499.  These cars were 10' inside height, 40' long.  Another difference between them and the PRR cars is the SAL cars and Pullman "Dart Not" ends (the smaller darts seen on the PRR cars).

I would expect any scale car to be bigger than any postwar loco.

Thank You, told me what I needed to know.

Hey Bob, not to change the subject. I found a guy on shapways that has correct O Scale ACL and seaboard Way cars for sale.

Thanks!  I need to take a close look at Shapeways anyway!!!

Bob Delbridge posted:

Thanks!  I need to take a close look at Shapeways anyway!!!

Also if you find something in HO or OO don't be afraid to ask if they could upscale to O. Just make sure that you specify US 1/48. Alot of these guy are in Europe.( 1/43.5 ).

Bob Delbridge posted:

Steve, your models always look amazing

Other than the number of side panels and side sill, a big difference in these 2 cars (SAL vs PRR) is the roof/side joint.  The SAL cars meet evenly where the PRR X31a cars are formed like the brim on a hat (as on the Lionel model):

Now the PRR X31c double-door cars may be closer to the SAL DD cars, but I'd have to do a thorough check:

I am now confused by your above statement about the roof meeting evenly on the SAL cars, as the photo of the prototype, as well as the photos of the Lionel models, have a definite "step" from the inset roof edge on the SAL cars. The photo of the PRR prototype car, above, shows the roof edge meeting/mating flush with the sides.

I wouldn't mind having correct models of each. 

Jack, the color photo is of a single-door PRR car, the other is a double-door, why the single door roof/side is different than the double-door/roof I don't know.  The ends on both are still wrong for SAL, as is the side sill and numbers of panels on the sides.  The only photos of true SAL cars are in my 1st post.

I hate to be crass, but at what price?  Quite often undecorated kits end up costing more than what Atlas charges for RTR models.

Bob, If a 1940 / 41 version is done, I'd be a firm buyer, probably only qty one of an auto car version (why do so many auto cars get done in O scale, anyway?), but I'd commit to qty two single door box cars.

This of course assumes these are done to the modern day quality / prototype "correctness" levels that SC&F / Rails Unlimited cars are done to.

PS, isn't Jim King the one who did the Southern Flat car / gondola resin kits that Keith Wiseman now sells ? For some reason, I'm not into resin flat cars, but if Jim King had done the Southern 36' truss rod box car, I'd have bought a whole bunch.

Put me down for one.Include decals for the Robert E Lee.

Give us a clue of where to look on Shapeways for the O scale way cars, please...

Bob,

I'm not a Seaboard modeler, but since it is one of the signature cars for the Seaboard, I'd be interested in buying a resin kit for the single door boxcar. Which car is he looking to produce? The single door B7 or double door car AF-1?

Jim kind of burnt some bridges with some O Scale folks with his comments last time he tried to produced some cars for O Scale. 

tom yorke posted:

Give us a clue of where to look on Shapeways for the O scale way cars, please...

Here it is for ACL Waycars

http://www.shapeways.com/shops...n?s=48#more-products