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Boxcar Sunday, Let's see your boxcars.

Don McErleanDon McErleanOGR Forum Member SUPPORTING MEMBERDIGITAL SUBSCRIBER

Happy BxCarSun everyone...Great photos all...OBTW Trumptrain out here on the frontier (Texas) we LIKE cattle cars so my view is post away!  My story today concerns my railroad, the Leonardtown and Savannah, today as usual the incredibly cheap management does everything it can to scrimp by but today it has even outdone itself.  The Tennessee, Alabama, and Georgia (TAG - a neighbor RR) wants and needs its double door box car back in order to ship some tractors out of a customers plant.  The L&S was planning to move the car on Monday but when TAG said they would pay the extra fee for a Sunday move well management just jumped at the chance.  Of course the Road Foreman of Engines had to dig REALLY DEEP to find something available to pull the car and it found old 1062 sitting on the "ready for scrap" line but still capable of getting up steam and likely OK to pull one car.  They dragged Old Joe out of bed, he being the nearly last engineer who can run steam, and paid him weekend + Sunday premium pay to take this car to the TAG.  Truth is, Joe couldn't have been happier, not only is he getting paid but he got out of digging that new garden the Mrs wanted him to do today. 

Here is Joe backing up 'ol 1062 to that all important TAG double door box car.

Lionel TAG boxcar with Loco

Here is that very important ($$) TAG double door boxcar

Lionel TAG boxcar side

For you reality fans, the TAG double door boxcar is a Lionel (LTI) 19231 made in 1991 and 'ol 1062 is an 0-4-0 Plastic Steamer made at the end of the original Lionel era, 1963-1964.   By the way, despite the very poor reputation of these late issue plastic steamers, this one, purchased with tender in a local antique store for the princely sum of $5,  runs like a champ!

Happy Sunday everyone

Don

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lee drennenlee drennenOGR Forum Member

Patrick. Great pics I also like the cattle car being I’m a farm boy. That one pic looks like I’m trespassing on RR property as the B&O truck unloads 

Third Rail. Nice cars I like the MoPac car 

Larry. Thanks for the complement it’s one of my favorites took me a while to find one 

Steve. Very nice MOW cars and lighted as a bonus great job 

 

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RT Rusty TraqueOGR Forum Member
@Bill T posted:

Rusty, very nice ST&P, I am guessing that is a custom boxcar.

Thanks.

Yep, all three are roads I developed.  The ST&P hails back to the 1960's when I was in HO.  It was just reporting marks until the mid-1970's when I finally assembled a sensible combination of names.

The New England Shore Line and Olympia both hail from the mid 1980's.

Rusty

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Don McErleanDon McErleanOGR Forum Member SUPPORTING MEMBERDIGITAL SUBSCRIBER

Wow Robert, that is quite a display of box cars...I think I can id them all except the tiny little 4 wheel job in the center of the second row and the blue WARR #192 in the center of the last row.  If you think of it would you post the manufacturer of those some time?  Thanks.

Well my contribution today is part of something I am trying to add to my collection, the very first MPC boxcars.  Even though they are nearly 50 years gone, you can still find them  inexpensively and usually in the box.  Not that I expect they will really ever be all that valuable but I like the historical aspect of showing a famous name in transition.  They are by the way a fairly good product and run well on my small layout (they are short, 6464 length).

So here is the Lionel (MPC) 9214 Northern Pacific boxcar issued 1971-1972.  Pictured with my "new" KLINE Santa Fe switcher.  I say new because I "discovered" it, still sealed in the box, among my storage units...likely bought quite awhile ago, put away and forgotten.  The box car really has first class printing and decoration, automatic couplers on both ends, and the new "fast track" wheels which lower rolling friction.  I don't normally try to give anyone advice, but if you run a small layout like mine, 0-27 switches etc, these very early MPC cars can be a real good value.  They are  not  yet expensive (this one was $10 NIB) ,  are well decorated and run well. 

Lionel NP boxcar 2

 

Have a Happy Labor Day Holiday everyone, none for me the University has cancelled the holiday to shorten the semester.

Don

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Don McErleanDon McErleanOGR Forum Member SUPPORTING MEMBERDIGITAL SUBSCRIBER

Happy BxCrSun everyone!  Well, a few weeks ago we "broke the barrier" and displayed some cattle cars, so I am going to take that to a slight extension this time.  Here is a Hornby "Milk Service Van" as it is named in the UK.  Apparently the cattle car like appearance comes from the fact that they do not or did not require the insulated and heavily iced milk cars that were common in the US.  In the UK it was typically cool enough and/or runs were short enough that the natural flow of cool air over the milk cans was sufficient to keep the milk fresh on the way to market.  This van is lettered for the Southern Railway and dates in the Hornby line from about 1954 (Hornby was quite late in "recognizing" nationalization in the UK which happened in '48).  So here is a "Milk Service Van" for your perusal.  Note that the slats go all the way to the floor for (I assume) maximum airflow. 

Hornby Milk Service Van

For comparison, here is a Hornby Cattle Van of the same period (about 1954).  Note that the slats only go about 1/2 way down to the floor.  The reason I suppose was to protect the livestock from debris or perhaps pesky children with sticks or maybe just to help contain them.  Later versions of the Cattle car had the center door replaced with a "ramp" door which was hinged at the floor and would swing down providing a loading ramp for the cattle into the car.  The Milk Van of course loaded at a platform and did not need such a ramp.

Hornby Cattle Van

Well , I though you might enjoy seeing how different countries handled the problem of milk delivery most likely due to their different climates or different amount of time the product had to stay on the train.

By the way, if you are interested in how the RR handled Milk in the United States, Kalmbach Media, under the Model Railroader Guide to Industries Series, published a real neat soft cover book titled..."Milk Trains and Traffic" by Jeff Wilson, Kalmbach Media, 2019.  I bought mine brand new for $22 but you could likely find one used today for less. It is packed tight with actual pictures of prototype equipment and processes. 

Don

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third railthird railOGR Forum Member

Larry, 

The layout is not mine, but it's the property of the Chicagoland Lionel Railroad Club in New Lenox, Illinois of which I've been a member for the last 12 years. Website is CLRCTRAINS.com. No open houses right now but members are able to run trains on a limited time and occupancy  basis. We invite you to visit when this corona virus thing is over. 

RS Robert S. ButlerOGR Forum Member

Randy, First - great looking car and very nice display section.  Second - a thought  - My impression is you want to take advantage of outdoor sunlight and real background to give the feel of the real thing.  If possible, see if you can find some part of the yard so that when you set up the shot there are no visible telephone or power wires in the background. If you can do this, the visual effect I think you are trying for will be even better.

Don McErleanDon McErleanOGR Forum Member SUPPORTING MEMBERDIGITAL SUBSCRIBER

Happy BxCrSun everyone...I just unpacked this new Williams TP&W addition to my Fleet. I bought it just as COVID was cracking down in May, put it under the layout table and have had no real time to get back to it before today.   I have no specific connection to the TP&W but their logo was just too hard to resist, being a "rocket guy" who has worked part time for NASA over the last 10 years.  Its a 40 foot model so it works well on my layout. 

TP&W Boxcar

Hope everyone is having a great weekend.  Best Wishes

Don

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TR Trinity River Bottoms BoomerOGR Forum Member

To the OGR Staff: In view of the fact that political orientated posts are deleted as soon as they're placed here, I'd be interested to know if it's proper to display models with what appears to be political overtones, that might possibly be used with the intention of posting them as a campaign pitch instead of sharing them for the enjoyment between members?

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third railthird railOGR Forum Member

This is a K-Line special release from the early 1990's. My wife and I spent our  first anniversary at French Lick Springs  hotel, nice place,  still in business after 40 years. Bought the car as a momento along with a Baker's Chocolate hopper car . 

Both are for sale if anyone is interested. I will post a picture of the hopper if you want to see it. Don't worry we're still married,  just want to start paring down the collection. Think of an equitable price .20200318_114741

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Also my last boxcar purchase,  2019 CLRC CNW club car from Lionel . She's a beaut, but doesn't fit into my layout scheme. Bought it to help bolster club finances. 

Happy boxcar Sunday. 

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Don McErleanDon McErleanOGR Forum Member SUPPORTING MEMBERDIGITAL SUBSCRIBER

Hello and Happy BxCrSun everyone.  This week I have another "new" purchase that I just unwrapped.  Its been under the table since early Jun when Williams held a sale for $19.95. Finally after a summer of hiding from the virus, I get to unpack my purchases....This one is for a favorite RR, the Maryland and Pennsylvania.  Wife and I lived in both those states so I have a connection to the "Ma & Pa" or MPA.  Today, this one has traveled from the tool making capital of the world in Cincinnati, OH to deliver a new drill press to one of our local industries.  Right now the yard crew, working with the REA is trying to figure out how to get the forklift under it to put it in the truck and deliver it to the local factory.  Foreman is only guy visible as everyone else went over to the dinner for lunch.

MPA Boxcar

Happy Sunday everyone, have a healthy and happy week.

Don

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@Trinity River Bottoms Boomer posted:

Bill T: Please share with OGR Railroaders the history behind your Allstate/Sears Roebuck de Mexico Kusan box car.  When was it first released and is it considered rare by today's standatds, etc.

Thanks,

Joseph Toth Jr.

Joeseph, I picked up a Kusan Chihuahua al Pacifico set about 25 years ago which included the Allstate Sears boxcar. Kusan manufactured electric trains in Mexico starting in 1958 and ended production around 1961 as the company was close to turning out the lights. All of Kusan Mexican production is hard to come by, I don't believe much of the releases made it across the border.

This is the set I purchased many years ago. Kusan Alcos were 2 rail so I switched the running gear to K-Line 3 rail which was a perfect fit.

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Don McErleanDon McErleanOGR Forum Member SUPPORTING MEMBERDIGITAL SUBSCRIBER

Hello everone and Happy BxCrSun to you all:  Today I have a little scene from Baltimore Harbor, as the C&O delivers a very special display car to Phillips Seafood in the Harbor Area.  Phillips is perhaps the most famous seafood restaurant in the area and is a big draw to the harbor.  Today they are going to exhibit their aquarium car, complete with swimming shark and clown fish (maybe its Nemo?)   They are being delivered by a Chesapeake and Ohio Alco A (Lionel 2024 from 1969) and trailing a Chesapeake and Ohio work caboose (Lionel 6219 from 1960) .  Personally my wife and I lived in southern Md quite near Annapolis and Baltimore for a decade when I worked at Patuxent River Naval Air Station which is water side on the western shore of Chesapeake Bay.  So we have a connection to the area.

Here is our Alco pulling away from Baltimore terminal, through the storage yard, past the baseball stadium and down past the Md State Aquarium, to the Harbor area.

Lionel C&O train front quarter view

Here is the Phillips aquarium car.  Look there is Nemo being chased by a shark.  

Lionel C&O train Phillips car

Here is the train as it passes by on its way to the harbor.  The aquarium car is a Lionel LLC product from 2011. 

Lionel C&O train rear view

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Don McErleanDon McErleanOGR Forum Member SUPPORTING MEMBERDIGITAL SUBSCRIBER

Hi everyone...hope your Sunday is going well.  My input today takes me away from the more familiar Leonardtown and Savannah at back to my "roots" with the Pennsylvania RR in the North East.  Today, its the late 40's and we still see steam in the yards and sidings.  Today management has to move a couple of boxcars out of one of the team tracks behind the depot and put them back on in the yard.  The assignment is going to Joe, one of our last steam qualified engineers, to use #1615 and ancient 0-4-0 switcher to get the job done.

Here is a view of that elderly switch engine...Lionel 1615 from '55-'57.  It turns out to be the youngest part of this consist!

Lionel Switch scene 4

Here is the job.  Joe has dropped the caboose on the main and has backed into the team track behind the depot to pick up the boxcars that need to be moved.

Lionel Switch scene 1

Here is the first part of our consist today.  Its PRR Automobile Car, X2458 made by Lionel between 1946-1947.  Its a sheet metal car, carried over from prewar days where it carried the number 2758.

Lionel Switch scene 2

Here is the other boxcar, PRR "Baby Ruth Candy" box car, X2454 also offered 1946-1947

Lionel Switch scene 3



Here is Joe, backed down the main and coupled up to the caboose, PRR N5 Caboose, Lionel 2457 offered between 1945-1947 and as you can see illuminated.  Another prewar carryover, although the prewar car was tuscan and carried the number 2672 and the postwar car (this one) is red.

OK Joe, take them away and clear the main, its almost 5 pm and the evening commuter trains will start stacking up unless you clear a path.

Lionel Switch scene 5

Well everyone, hoping you have a happy and healthy week

Don

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Don McErleanDon McErleanOGR Forum Member SUPPORTING MEMBERDIGITAL SUBSCRIBER

Well here it is BxCrSun again, and its actually started to get cool here in Texas, all the way down to 55 this morning , this keeps up might have to turn off the air conditioning .   Great boxcars everyone.  BillT I especially liked the "Nebraska Corn Products" car, if you can could you state what make that is??

Well here is my car for today, its a Limited Edition Lionel Car, #6-16808, from 1993.  Lionel made it especially for "Toys R Us" and it was sold, as I remember, in their stores.  I note somewhat sadly that the car states..."Toys R Us, The  World's Biggest Toy Store" ,  while true I am sure 27 years ago, they are bankrupt today...and out of business.

Lionel TRU boxcar

Have a good week everyone

Don

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Don McErleanDon McErleanOGR Forum Member SUPPORTING MEMBERDIGITAL SUBSCRIBER

Well folks, here it is BxCrSun again.  Trumptrain and Don W great scenes.  Trumptrain I especially liked the horse and wagon unloading the Budweiser boxcar.  I don't know where you got the little cases / boxes but they are very realistic.  Super job! Don W, I agree there is no real shortage of MPC era boxcars, I have started to concentrate a piece of my collection on the earliest ones, right at the transition point from Lionel to MPC and find that the cars are neat, the livery is sharp and by and large the prices are very low even for NIB pieces.

Well my contribution today is unusual at least for me.  I had a chance encounter this morning, a cool sunny day here in central Texas.  My encounter was with a BNSF hot shot freight carrying a full consist of double stack cars.  I paced it on one of our semi-rural roads and clocked it at about 58-60 mph.  By sprinting ahead, I was able to get in front of the train at the next road crossing.  These scenes are at the RR crossing in Crawford, Texas a one traffic light town west of Waco and about 1/2 way between between Dallas / Ft. Worth and Austin (about 100 miles either north or south).  Its an agricultural area, mostly farms, and in just a few moments drive from this crossing all you will share the landscape with is cotton, corn, beans, and cows (plus a few horses).  Not the giant ranches of West Texas, these are small herds (20-30 head) as the land is mostly given over to raising crops (with our climate that is 2 yields per year).

Here are the big 6 wheel BNSF diesels approaching the crossing.  Two units on the head end and that is all the power.  The track here is level with few turns so the load is likely reasonably low.  The structure you can see on the right is a local grain loading elevator.  Fairly small operation loads both trucks and hopper cars and has a single siding that extends under that shed roof. (P.S. This little elevator operation would make a neat structure on a layout, its small, served by both road and rail, and complete despite its size - if anyone wanted some pictures for modeling, its only about 20 minutes from my house and I could easily post them).

BNSF 1

Here comes the power again, bending into a shallow curve that is just down track from this crossing.

BNSF 2

Here is why I felt justified in posting these on "box car" Sunday.  Clearly these are "boxes" and they are on cars! (LOL)

The big customer on this train is J B Hunt with the white containers and what appears to be "Schdale" (?) with the orange ones.  There were 1 or 2 odd ones but the entire train except for that was either orange or white containers.

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Happy Box Car Sunday everyone.

Don

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Hello and happy BxCarSun everyone...Here is another wayward car from my collection.  I purchased it to commemorate my wife and my one year sabbatical in Massachusetts on an assignment from my employer.  Although I bought it some years later, it still serves that purpose.  

Here you go, the Lionel 6-19951 "I Love Massachusetts" boxcar from 1998.  Note the names of various railroads to the right of the door.  I expect that those were railroads that served the state at that time.  I can recognize: Conrail, B&M, Amtrack, The "T" commuter serevice, and "CV" which I speculate was Central Vermont.  The "Iw" logo I can't place.

Lionel I Love Mass Bxcar 1

Another view, I have to admit, I never saw a boxcar IRL with a pink/purple roof and ends but Hey, these are toy trains right!

Lionel I Love Mass Bxcar 2



Well hope everyone is having a happy Sunday.  Have a great and healthy week.

Don

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Well Box Car Sunday folks, we seem (at least on my computer) to have left this thread at 11/8 nearly 2 weeks ago.  So assuming that we are still "live" here on 11/22 I thought I would post my input for this weekend.

Here is the Lionel (MPC) Rock Island Box Car from 1977-78 blocking up the rush hour traffic in Small Town on the Leonardtown and Savannah.  This is just about as dense as the traffic gets in Small Town but luckily its a short train with just the local switch job moving a few cars over to the storage yard.

Boxcar The Rock

Meanwhile at the other end of town, in the industrial area near the docks of the Port of Savannah, the switcher is moving a carload of Ice Cream just loaded up from the refrigerated hold of an incoming freighter and preparing to make its delivery into the stores and ice cream shops in Small Town in preparation for everyone buying to handle the Thanksgiving Holiday.

This is a MTH car from Blue Bell's 90 th Anniversary in June 2016.

Boxcar Blue Bell

Well, I hope some others post in this thread, I really enjoy the pictures.

Best Regards

Don

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WOOOEFEE!  Box Car Sunday is back!!  Lee, I read about you and your wife's struggle with COVID in another post.  Its great that you are getting better and feeling well.

My post's today are really a compendium of "box" like cars from over the past year or so.  I am away from my collection on a family visit, so If you saw one of these before I apologize.  Here we go.

Well just for the recent season, here is a fellow taking his Christmas tree home, passing by a Menards Yellow Frisco and a Menards Red Burlington Northern.

Box Car w Christmas Tree

Here is one I picked up on a trip to Scandinavia, its a "Kole Vagon" which I interpret as refrigerator car, from Denmark.

Boxcar - Kole Vagon

Here is an interesting car, it looks like a box car but it functions more like a covered hopper.  Its a Hornby, Type 50, salt carrier car from the middle to late 1950's.

Boxcar - Saxa Salt

Finally, here is the familiar Marx red Baltimore and Ohio box car from around 1973.

Boxcar - Marx B&O red

Here is an admission of a weakness of mine for the Lionel plug door little boxcars, especially those that Lionel put out

for specific stores, products or events.  I recently acquired the one from the LCCA convention in 1976l

Box Car - plug door collection]

Well Happy Boxcar Sunday (again...YEA!) everyone

Don

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Soooooo, my meager set has a couple that I (we) , did not get round to running... soooo, I un wrapped and here they are. MPC era, sooo they roll on the track without any effort... HA! I roll on the floor to get back up and THAT takes a GREAT amount of Effort... waiting for the wife to say, “wouldn’t it be easier to make a table in the spare room........for trains” and, like y’all suggest, she could store HER stuff... I Know, Right!!

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Hi Box Car Sun fans...Miggy I love the Giraffe's !!  Great photos everyone.  I am still visiting away from my collection so I offer a small mixture from my photo archives again today.  This are just some fun box/cattle cars (RSJB18 - i normally buy all the offerings from the RR museum of LI but I must have missed that beauty!)

Here is a Type 50, Cattle Car, post nationalization British Rail, from Horby circa mid 1950's

Box Car Sun 1

A Hafner Automobile Box Car from about the same era, mid 1950's

Box Car Sun 2

Same vintage Hafner Cattle car from the "Streamliner" line...circa 1950's

Box Car Sun 3

OK those of you who have seen me post before know I cannot resist Marx.  So here is the Marx GE 70 Ton switcher pulling a Rock Island box car.  from 1959-1965

Box Car Sun 4

Finally an unusual entry...you guys with auto rack cars, try this on for size.  It sailed past us at the beach last summer headed for the port of Savannah. This is a Hoegh "autoliner".    Man those L&S managers are drooling over when this baby unloads.  It can carry up to 10,000 cars !

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Happy Box Car Sunday everyone...have a happy and heallthy week

Don

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RSJB18RSJB18OGR Forum Member SUPPORTING MEMBERDIGITAL SUBSCRIBER
@Don McErlean posted:

Hi Box Car Sun fans...Miggy I love the Giraffe's !!  Great photos everyone.  I am still visiting away from my collection so I offer a small mixture from my photo archives again today.  This are just some fun box/cattle cars (RSJB18 - i normally buy all the offerings from the RR museum of LI but I must have missed that beauty!)

Don- check with Don Fisher at the club, dfisher@rmli.org. They just got the order in so maybe they have an extra one or two. I ordered mine recently after he posted the listing on the OGR Forum.

Bob

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For this fine Sunday ...

B&O Wagon Top boxcar.  The prototype wagon top  boxcars were made in the B&O Mount Clair Shops in Baltimore ... site of what is now the B&O Railroad Museum.  Although the sprawling  Mt. Claire shop complex incorporated many large buildings, including a locomotive erecting facility, I'm sure that the car manufacturing facility is long gone by now.  

REA express reffer ... I guess qualifies as a boxcar of sorts. IMG_4494

Woodside beer refrigerator car. IMG_2404

Richmond Fredricksburg and Potomac boxcar at Virginia Transportation Museum in Roanoke, VA. IMG_2943

RF&P boxcar gets unloaded on a team track. IMG_1022

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For this fine Sunday ...

B&O Wagon Top boxcar.  The prototype wagon top  boxcars were made in the B&O Mount Royal Shops in Baltimore ... site of what is now the B&O Railroad Museum.  Although the large Mt. Royal shop complex incorporated many large buildings, including a locomotive erecting facility, I'm sure that the car manufacturing facility is long gone by now.  



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Pat:

Your photos are superb as was your video with the B&O wagon-top box car. I know that you are more well versed in B&O history than I am, but, are not the shops by the B&O RR Museum Mount Claire shops rather than Mt. Royal shops?

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@trumpettrain

Pat:

Your photos are superb as was your video with the B&O wagon-top box car. I know that you are more well versed in B&O history than I am, but, are not the shops by the B&O RR Museum Mount Claire shops rather than Mt. Royal shops?

Whoooooops!  Yes Mt. Claire shops.  Thanks for the correction Randy!  I made the edit in my post.

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Part of my youth was spent in Yakima, Washington. As a kid I would see the electric steeple cabs pulling strings of cars full of Yakima Apples in season. When I was lucky enough to see a old Walthers Decal set of the Yakima RR I bought it. The only car I had that was paintable at the time was an old Williams reefer car. This is it. It's not very detailed but I don't care, I really like it for my memories. Living on a mint farm with my uncle and aunt was wonderful. Music or View Master slides was our entertainment. No TV or even radio did they have. A John Deer tractor or the pickup truck was how we went to town. Oil heater in the back ground was the only heat in the winter. But I loved it. I also loved them for showing me what real life was about. Excuse me for showing this but it's my grandfather and uncle playing their bango's. Notice the spittoon next to my uncle. He hardly ever missed with his chaw. walters house047Donyakima2

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Well Happy BxCrSun everyone...Great pictures all...Trumptrain the wagon tops are really neat.  LeapinLarry and PRR MP54 those box / high cube cars are soooooo long I would need a table extension to run them!    Today I have something on the very opposite end of the scale, its a Marx 555 Colorado and Southern Refrigerator Car.  This one just arrived yesterday from another Marx collector.  It is a relatively common car in general BUT...this is the one with a RED ROOF, much more scarce than the blue roof version.  Made only pre-war between 1938 and 1942 with rivet T/S couplers and sliding doors.  It had a brief re-emergence in 1953 but with plastic knuckle couplers and the Marx logo / 555 on the end (which this car does  not have).

Marx CS Refr side viewMarx CS Refr door open viewMarx CS Refr end view

Happy Box Car Sunday everyone

Don

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Don McErlean, wow, you’ve done it again, unique to Box Car sunday, nice Marx tinplate box cars, the red top cars are awesome, made before I was born (1944). You always bring a cool look to this thread. Trumptrain, you do the same, neat box cars, neat men at Work, one issue, the tow motor truck is taking a risk, one of the ramps is splintered, very Dangerous.... Just kidding.... Krieglok, your painted weaver cars are beautiful, great job, thanks for the pictures. BF070806-A535-4A94-9DC4-00457C977B8D052D0B3C-C13A-4974-9F6C-C12B443139077025D6E0-0B7B-482A-AE62-5321166474B8A6B3F3A2-810E-4ED3-9718-C57182DE308E20FA6907-A0BD-4EFD-BBFD-3EA64877DEE1F966E236-FE2A-4762-91E6-250966F73571D276E94B-F11E-4F6E-9F96-D24320111B658C3DF4C4-BE3D-4043-86A2-91E3C43D7C9FSo, here’s my box car picks for Super Bowl Sunday, Happy Railroading Everyone

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Hi BxCrSun folks, I know you are out there, although I don't see any new posts for today.  It is an unbelievable weather situation in Texas, for the first time since they started recording the temperature, EVERY COUNTY in the entire STATE has a "Winter Storm Warning".  Everything is covered with glare ice...so its definitely a "stay inside and play trains day.

Last week Leapin Larry showed us a cool NASCAR Lionel car, and AEC atomic boxcar (not sure what they might ship in that !!), and (thanks Larry) a cool Marx NH E7 and matching caboose.  COOL!  So today, I have some extra time I thought that the theme of "VARIATIONS are NEAT" might be fun for such a dreary day.

So first up is the Lionel 1679 Lithographed Box Car.  This car started as being added to both the Lionel line and the (Lionel produced) Ives line in 1932-33 but then when Lionel stopped the Ives line in 1933 the car moved over to the Lionel lines and was produced for most if not all of the pre-war era.  Always part of the lower (0-27) priced sets and sometimes even clockwork sets it was produced in a bewildering array of variations.  I tried to select the "big" changes but there were many others at the detail level.  Here are all of the 3 major variations in front of the main depot of the L&S.

Lionel 1679 Boxcars three

Here is the Type II body, cream sides, dark blue roof, "Lionel Lines" in the Oval herald on the left side.  Door guides are "state set" brown - although they changed to orange later. No product markings, latch couplers, and (this version) has Ni Journals - cars earlier than this one had Cu journals.  This version is from about 1935.

Lionel 1679 from 1935

Here is the Type III body (which I think is the coolest !) and it has the "Baby Ruth" candy bar on the right side and what is normally called a "peacock" roof color.  Most of the official car data was removed to make room for the Candy Bar logo but I think the picture of the candy bar is way cooler than all that "data" .  The Door Guides and Door are still "state set" brown.  The "candy bar" car started in very late 1935 and likely lasted to 1938.

Lionel 1679 from late 1935-1938

Finally the last large variation of the car, sometimes called the TYPE IV body.  The roof and the lettering are maroon and there is no candy bar picture, just the lettering "Baby Ruth" .  In addition, the "Lionel Lines" oval is replaced with the more common simple printing of the words "Lionel Lines".  Door guides and Door are orange.  The car was available in this form from 1939 onward until production stopped in 1942.

Lionel 1679 from 1939

Here is another set of variations, on Lionel's somewhat more expensive 0-27 line (the 600 series represented sort of the top of the 0-27 line with the 800 series carrying the top of the line O gauge).  Again, there are many variations at the small detail level including a major change to the 2600 / 2800 series with "automatic" couplers late in the pre-war period.

Lionel 655 Boxcars

First, the Ni trimmed #655 including the Ni number plates .  This car with its maroon roof, was carried from about 1935 to 1938.  It has the manual latch couplers.

Lionel 655 all Ni trim & number plates

The follow on car, really just substituted black rubber stamping for most of the Ni plates and numbers, although much more realistic car data was also added.  This car has the last version of the latch couplers, although still not electrically actuated.  This car was made from 1939 through 1940 .

Lionel 655 black RS and journals

Well there you have it folks.  I hope we do gain some other folks on Bx Cr Sunday as for me, I love the pictures and the information that they provide.  Hope everyone has a good week.

Don

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Don McErlean, oh my, you’ve really done it this time, (Lionel Lines /Ives) 1923-1933, those Tin Plate cars are so fine, they are really memories of times slipped by, a little boy, getting up on Christmas morning and seeing those cars running on a track under the tree would be so thrilled. Thank you for posting them. Now I live in more modern times, so here are pictures of The Family Lines, L&N oldies but more newbies... Jushavnfun, Thank you for putting this fun thread together, box car Willey would love them all. Happy Railroading Everyone 278C559F-5FC2-4002-A49D-5ED41BF8FBCF55C6AA0D-8BBE-4469-A9BD-723B598298BE1CF202FF-F894-472D-AB64-4E07AEB770EA50832160-96F9-494F-9F5F-4F031401BF04F9C045A7-AF52-4BCD-B1D2-82FEC9BB3268365CDFDC-8142-447D-B5BB-34DE002611D4

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Hello Box Car Fans...LeapinLarry and Apples 55 maybe we can keep this going, but it was just the 3 of us last weekend.  Larry, I can see you really like the L&N and living in Tenn I can see why.  I really liked that L&N stock (horse) car, it looks like the logo on the left side is .....Kentucky Horse Farm (can't make out the first word).  We lived in Dayton, Oh for many years (I was Air Force and stationed at Wright Patterson AFB )  and I remember taking our kids to the Kentucky Horse Farm for a day trip, they loved it and the animals were magnificent.  Apples 55, those are neat box cars but I was interested in your comment on the "new" couplers.  Has Lionel changed their coupler??

Anyway Larry thanks for the compliment on my box cars of old.  I agree, these old tinplate things are so far from scale, but to that young person on Christmas morning, I will bet it didn't matter at all.  I know in 1947 when I was 3 I got my first Lionel set (a work train pulled by the PRR steam turbine loco) and all I can remember is the I could make it go around the tree all by myself (OK Dad was standing by)  !!

Don

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@Don McErlean posted:

Hello Box Car Fans...LeapinLarry and Apples 55 maybe we can keep this going, but it was just the 3 of us last weekend.  Larry, I can see you really like the L&N and living in Tenn I can see why.  I really liked that L&N stock (horse) car, it looks like the logo on the left side is .....Kentucky Horse Farm (can't make out the first word).  We lived in Dayton, Oh for many years (I was Air Force and stationed at Wright Patterson AFB )  and I remember taking our kids to the Kentucky Horse Farm for a day trip, they loved it and the animals were magnificent.  Apples 55, those are neat box cars but I was interested in your comment on the "new" couplers.  Has Lionel changed their coupler??

Anyway Larry thanks for the compliment on my box cars of old.  I agree, these old tinplate things are so far from scale, but to that young person on Christmas morning, I will bet it didn't matter at all.  I know in 1947 when I was 3 I got my first Lionel set (a work train pulled by the PRR steam turbine loco) and all I can remember is the I could make it go around the tree all by myself (OK Dad was standing by)  !!

Don

Don;

There have been two threads recently discussing this issue... it appears to be related to a redesign of the truck, but my issue is primarily with the coupler. While they have have eliminated the thumbtack coupler, the replacement leaves much to be desired. You can browse these threads for more detail...

On the first thread, the relevant discussion begins on page 2.

https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/topic/got-milk-4?page=2

https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/...-truck-design?page=1

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Hello BxCarSun fans, great pictures all.  I really liked the "Old Dutch Cleanser" car Lee.  Many years ago, I had one of those on my HO layout and it was a classic then.

Today, I am going to sort of follow up my post last week on "Variations"...Last week I concentrated on Lionel and this week I thought I would post for Mr. Marx using his 6" box and refrigerator cars.  These can be common although some I will picture today are quite unusual (never use "rare" for Marx).  They came in a incredible variety, were manufactured in one form or another from 1939 to 1956 so they are just FUN to collect.  Here are my examples this week:li

Marx boxcar PRR

The PRR adopted a distinctive scheme for its merchandise cars in the late 1940's, most of these were 40 foot cars.  Marx produced this car for a number of years post war, and this example dates from 1954-1955.

Marx boxcar B & LE

This non sliding door (door is just lithographed) B&LE boxcar in brown was produced by Marx both pre and post war and was available from 1936 until 1947

Marx boxcar NYC

In discussing merchandise service, who could neglect the famous "Pacemaker" service provided by the NYC.  This service was inaugurated in 1946 and lasted into the late 1950's when LCL service was declining and NYC was concentrating on "piggy back" TOFC service. This car by Marx dates from 1954-1956.

Marx boxcar cotton belt]

This one is a local favorite of mine because the Cotton Belt Route served the town of Gatesville, Tx just a short 5 miles from my home.  In fact one of the bordering roads to our development is still named the "Cotton Belt Parkway".  This SSW car was made by Marx during the pre-war years 1939-1942.

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OK so this isn't a box car but a refrigerator car, but it sort of looks the same right!   The Fruit Growers Express 6" box car was made by Marx for one year only, 1954.  It is the most scarce of the cars pictured here and carries a Heitshaw scarcity (S) rating of S6  (S10 being the maximum scarcity rating).  How did I end up with such a valuable collectable car?  I could claim skill and cunning but I think "dumb luck" would be closer (LOL).

Marx boxcar B&O

Finally who could neglect the Baltimore and Ohio especially since while serving the Navy I was stationed just south of Baltimore. This sliding door car is also a pre-war version dating from 1939-1942  (they made post war versions as well and you have to date the cars by the type of couplers they carry).

Well I hope you had some fun looking over these little guys.  No where even close to "scale" they are just toys but colorful and fun to collect.

Best Wishes

Don

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Well its BxCrSun and Patrick what really great shots, the photos are really well done.  Cool shots and great cars everyone.

My input for today is in two parts.  The first is a tribute to Mitch and Miggy with their Giraffe infestation or what Miggy says is..."their reproducting like wabbits!"  LOL !  So I thought I would post a couple of special giraffe cars from Lionel, taken from their time of providing special cars around Christmas to the "Toys R Us" chain.  They made many more cars for this firm, especially a series of plug door small boxcars also featuring "Geoffrey" the giraffe but they were not animated the giraffe was just part of the livery on the car sides.

Here are the two giraffe type cars that Lionel made for the Toys R Us chain

Lionel Toys R Us Giraffe Cars

First up is the Toys R Us , Lionel # 7912 , named "Geoffrey's Star Car" produced in 1982-1984 (uncatalogued)

Lionel Toys R Us Giraffe Star CarN

Next up is the Lionel # 7914, named "Geoffrey's Carnival Carrier" available from 1985 -1989 (uncatalogued) .  In case you are wondering, yes there was a #7913 Giraffe car, but it was not a Toys R Us car but was named for the "Turtleback Zoo"

NLionel Toys R Us Giraffe Carnival Carrier

OK I couldn't resist.  Here is a lithographed, tin plate, giraffe car from Japan.  See those giraffes are just getting everywhere!!

Jappanese Giraffe Car

OK enough for the giraffes for now, for the second part of my post today, in more traditional keeping with our Boxcar Sunday theme, here is a Lionel O-27 sliding door boxcar called the "Lawn Chief" car that was made for True Value Hardware.  This was uncatalogued and I believe was made for one year only 1990.

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Have a great week everyone, Best Wishes

Don

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Well, Don McErlean is exactly correct, box car Sunday’s roll around fast, from his tinplate 4 axle merchandise cars, B&LE, NYC, Fruit Growers Express, B&O, all very colorful, then to Animal Carriers, Toys R Us, Giraffe Transports... Wow, always a thrill to see his additions to this fun thread, rare Gems, aTrue Value, (humor) then Trumptrains realism of men at Work, trying to make a living during this pandemic, so cool, many beautiful boxcars lined up, ready to roll, and Jeff78rr with really beautiful CSX Waffleside box cars, and Lee Drennen showing an All Nation car he refurbished beautifully is a Wow, and Rusty Trague showing those beautiful Rail Box cars we see running the rails everywhere... Everyone’s pictures are awesome... Today, it’s Century Club Day, these are oldies but goodies.... (I did not mean to show pictures of the hudson, I do not know how to delete them, sorry) Happy Railroading Everyone 71F0F9AC-5F3E-4CC1-B3AA-89562482FCDE2BC535CB-D3A6-4ECC-B091-9E6BEB12A7960E752602-0DA1-4A35-A68D-763597D558268E210759-E444-4A11-A5E1-67D18693F37B68197A01-675D-4141-A985-03D1054FCA091422A7AC-15A6-4EDC-8ED8-27D428127DD0BD5DDD0C-6F63-4496-AA46-6E8F7C1B49E0002D0CFE-C60B-47AA-81E7-1CE8D4655632655136EE-F314-4998-8105-4A2FE7AD92C5

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Well, Don McErlean is exactly correct, box car Sunday’s roll around fast, from his tinplate 4 axle merchandise cars, B&LE, NYC, Fruit Growers Express, B&O, all very colorful, then to Animal Carriers, Toys R Us, Giraffe Transports... Wow, always a thrill to see his additions to this fun thread, rare Gems, aTrue Value, (humor) then Trumptrains realism of men at Work, trying to make a living during this pandemic, so cool, many beautiful boxcars lined up, ready to roll, and Jeff78rr with really beautiful CSX Waffleside box cars, and Lee Drennen showing an All Nation car he refurbished beautifully is a Wow, and Rusty Trague showing those beautiful Rail Box cars we see running the rails everywhere... Everyone’s pictures are awesome... Today, it’s Century Club Day, these are oldies but goodies.... (I did not mean to show pictures of the hudson, I do not know how to delete them, sorry) Happy Railroading Everyone 71F0F9AC-5F3E-4CC1-B3AA-89562482FCDE2BC535CB-D3A6-4ECC-B091-9E6BEB12A7960E752602-0DA1-4A35-A68D-763597D558268E210759-E444-4A11-A5E1-67D18693F37B68197A01-675D-4141-A985-03D1054FCA091422A7AC-15A6-4EDC-8ED8-27D428127DD0BD5DDD0C-6F63-4496-AA46-6E8F7C1B49E0002D0CFE-C60B-47AA-81E7-1CE8D4655632655136EE-F314-4998-8105-4A2FE7AD92C5

Thanks for the complement Larry. I like those Lionel cars. I just bought my first Lionel advertisement car this week I post it ASAP.

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Well Larry, here I am better late than not at all ! Had to spend this morning (and early afternoon) with the "tax man".  You will all be disappointed to learn that spending too much money on toy trains, model trains, and train layouts is not, at this time, considered a viable tax deduction !!

So in keeping with my post habit, here is a little group of pictures trying to illustrate the growth of realism that Lionel went through in the pre and early post war period.

Lionel Boxcar 805

First the little 4 wheel 805, dating from as early as 1927 and available in various color combinations until 1934.  This is the smallest of the boxcars except for the very small 1514 "Winner Lines" boxcar of 1931-32, the depths of the Great Depression

Lionel Boxcar 655

Here is the "smaller line" of O'gauge boxcar, the 655.  These cars evolved from the later series of 4 wheel cars, with changes primarily to the frame in order to mount the 4 wheel trucks.  Introduced in 1933 with manual couplers and 1938 with automatic (the 2650 series, the "2" designating the coupler change). This guy dating from about 1933-34.

Lionel Boxcar 814

Next came the magnificen't, 800 / 2800 series cars.  The cars underwent many changes over the years of production but by and large were introduced in 1926 and kept in production until the war halted the manufacture of toys in 1942.  There were changes to colors, the elimination of the "plates" for rubber stamping, and many changes in couplers.  This was about the longest running series of O' gauge freight cars and is considerably larger than the 650 series.  However, both then and now, it was also considerably more expensive.  Now Lionel also produced two series of "Ives Transition" cars, lithographed and very colorful.  These were (my opinion) somewhat more realistic in shape being longer and not as high, but Mr. Cowen never really liked lithography and felt it "cheapened" the line when compared with the enamel cars.  I posted a number of 1679 cars previously and have at least one example of the larger 1719 cars.  These however never really earned the love of Lionel, Introduced in 1932 they were never cataloged, and never reintroduced post war.

Lionel Boxcar 2454

Finally, introduced almost immediately right after the war, in 1946 Lionel clearly showed the progression towards realism. These 9 1/4" long cars were produced from 1946 - 51and ended just prior to the beginning of  Lionel's well known 6464 series cars introduced in 1953 at 10" long.  The 6464 series cars, in many road names and colors lasted until Lionel ceased production in 1969.

Well that's my input for today.  Sorry I was late fellows.  Best regards and have a happy and healthy week (wife and I finally got COVID shot #1 on Friday!)

Don

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Well Larry, here I am better late than not at all ! Had to spend this morning (and early afternoon) with the "tax man".  You will all be disappointed to learn that spending too much money on toy trains, model trains, and train layouts is not, at this time, considered a viable tax deduction !!

So in keeping with my post habit, here is a little group of pictures trying to illustrate the growth of realism that Lionel went through in the pre and early post war period.

Lionel Boxcar 805

First the little 4 wheel 805, dating from as early as 1927 and available in various color combinations until 1934.  This is the smallest of the boxcars except for the very small 1514 "Winner Lines" boxcar of 1931-32, the depths of the Great Depression

Lionel Boxcar 655

Here is the "smaller line" of O'gauge boxcar, the 655.  These cars evolved from the later series of 4 wheel cars, with changes primarily to the frame in order to mount the 4 wheel trucks.  Introduced in 1933 with manual couplers and 1938 with automatic (the 2650 series, the "2" designating the coupler change). This guy dating from about 1933-34.

Lionel Boxcar 814

Next came the magnificen't, 800 / 2800 series cars.  The cars underwent many changes over the years of production but by and large were introduced in 1926 and kept in production until the war halted the manufacture of toys in 1942.  There were changes to colors, the elimination of the "plates" for rubber stamping, and many changes in couplers.  This was about the longest running series of O' gauge freight cars and is considerably larger than the 650 series.  However, both then and now, it was also considerably more expensive.  Now Lionel also produced two series of "Ives Transition" cars, lithographed and very colorful.  These were (my opinion) somewhat more realistic in shape being longer and not as high, but Mr. Cowen never really liked lithography and felt it "cheapened" the line when compared with the enamel cars.  I posted a number of 1679 cars previously and have at least one example of the larger 1719 cars.  These however never really earned the love of Lionel, Introduced in 1932 they were never cataloged, and never reintroduced post war.

Lionel Boxcar 2454

Finally, introduced almost immediately right after the war, in 1946 Lionel clearly showed the progression towards realism. These 9 1/4" long cars were produced from 1946 - 51and ended just prior to the beginning of  Lionel's well known 6464 series cars introduced in 1953 at 10" long.  The 6464 series cars, in many road names and colors lasted until Lionel ceased production in 1969.

Well that's my input for today.  Sorry I was late fellows.  Best regards and have a happy and healthy week (wife and I finally got COVID shot #1 on Friday!)

Don

Don. I like that baby Ruth car a lot and thanks for the History lesson I never knew that

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Hi everybody!  It's Boxcar Sunday again!  My son picked these up recently and I know they're not boxcars but I needed to share them with all of you.  Rivarossi O gauge 2 rail European reefers.  Light as a feather and scale wheels. I  need to add about 8-9 ounces  for better tracking and also figure out how to change the wheels.

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When I decided to base my layout on the Pennsy in the late 40s (1949), I concentrated my buying on PRR equipment.  I soon realized that trains made up of all Pennsy equipment did not look right because there were no foreign roads represented.  Freight cars from foreign roads made up 45% or more (depending on year) of a Pennsy train, so I needed to start buying non-PRR equipment to balance out my trains.  Also, boxcars (mostly 40') made up only 40% or so of the fleet so I needed to look for other types of cars - that is for another topic.

Here are a few of my non-PRR boxcars:

DSC_0009Outside braced boxcars [3)Susie-Q box

DSC_0034WVR UP 50' Express

The Tucker (fantasy, but the correct years) and UP are Weaver.  The rest are Atlas.

I have several B&O Wagon Tops on order.  Hopefully Atlas will get around to building them.

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When I decided to base my layout on the Pennsy in the late 40s (1949), I concentrated my buying on PRR equipment.  I soon realized that trains made up of all Pennsy equipment did not look right because there were no foreign roads represented.  Freight cars from foreign roads made up 45% or more (depending on year) of a Pennsy train, so I needed to start buying non-PRR equipment to balance out my trains.  Also, boxcars (mostly 40') made up only 40% or so of the fleet so I needed to look for other types of cars - that is for another topic.

Here are a few of my non-PRR boxcars:

DSC_0009Outside braced boxcars [3)Susie-Q box

DSC_0034WVR UP 50' Express

The Tucker (fantasy, but the correct years) and UP are Weaver.  The rest are Atlas.

I have several B&O Wagon Tops on order.  Hopefully Atlas will get around to building them.

Ron. A beautiful line up. I like the NYSW car and thanks for sharing the History on the PRR. I never had known about that

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Hi everyone, well its a BoxCarSun again, and I have a somewhat varied offering today.  Since I usually post "old" stuff, I thought I would start with a scene I set on the L&S just for fun.  OK I know that there is not a box car in sight, but I thought this one might be fun.  It seems that "General Door & Sash" ran low on lubricating oil and asked the L&S to expedite a bulk shipment to the factory.  Unfortunately the factory spur is occupied with a flat of lumber now unloading, so they decided to off load what they needed in the local company's oil truck to take it to the factory.  The 815 Sunoco alluminum tank car dates from 1932.

Lionel 815 delivering oil



OK back to "box" cars, my official input today is not all that old.  It dates from 1994 and I had to show it because it just arrived for being incorporated into my layout.  Its the Lionel 6-16131 Texas and Pacific refrigerator car.  It said "Texas" on it so I couldn't resist acquiring it for the layout (we live in Waco, Tx).

Lionel T&P Refer

Here is a little video showing my other new acquisition, the Lionel # 2295 0-6-0 steam switcher (Lionchief 2.0) moving the new refr around the layout.

Here's hoping everyone has a good and healthy week.  Best Regards

Don

P.S.  Cappilot - thanks for the complement on my Marx 6" cars, just toys but fun to collect.  Lee Drennen - your work on the UP tractor trailer that you showed in the Automobiles thread was really great.  Thanks for posting.

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