cruise commander and fan driven smoke unit

I have been searching the forums for about an hr found nothing that fits this found a lot about chuffing smoke units but. I have a f3 that has a cruise commander in it I want to add a smoke unit the smoke units (lionel ) has 3 wire plug 2 outter wires are red center is black to make it work with the cruise commander do I tie both reds together on the smoke output for the cruise commander. then black to chassis ground ??

 

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Picture of smoke unit would help; but typically the answer is yes.  On lionels basic fan smoke unit, they had a solder trace you could remove to allow independent AC input to the DC Fan motor circuit.  Hence the 2 red or brown AC inputs.  The rest of the circuit uses a common ground so just one black wire, plus the body of the smoke unit also acts like a ground.  IF that trace is bridged you only really need one red.  When smoke unit gets power so does the fan circuit.  G

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Jhainer posted:

I have been searching the forums for about an hr found nothing that fits this found a lot about chuffing smoke units but. I have a f3 that has a cruise commander in it I want to add a smoke unit the smoke units (lionel ) has 3 wire plug 2 outter wires are red center is black to make it work with the cruise commander do I tie both reds together on the smoke output for the cruise commander. then black to chassis ground ??

 

Unfortunately, I cannot help but I'm curious which F3 you installed the cruise commander and now want to add a smoke unit.

I have a Conventional Classics set that I'd like to upgrade.

Mike

6308031200 is the smoke unit and picked up the 8104566201 smoke funnel both are for a lionel tmcc f3 Alaska to be exact on where I found the parts ordered them from lionel and they came in yesterday.  the engine I am trying to put it in is a Williams f3 Santa fe yellow bonnet. I upgraded it to tmcc the day I got it a year or so ago.  Then last week added the rail sounds, and now going to try to add the smoke unit I bought the unit just for this conversion. I'm also thinking of doing a fixed pilot on it with a kadee in the front.  it's the yellow bonnet to the left I have ABBA  the other is a rail king ps 2.0 version

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The Lionel smoke unit with the 27 ohm resistor just connects directly to the Cruise Commander smoke output and ground, job done.  If you want a physical smoke on/off switch, route it through a switch.

What I did was purchase the one for a tmcc f3 with smoke     6-24523 thinking that one would work I wonder would my old one from the challenger work ?? 610-8057-200 fan driven smoke unit/ rectangular /27 ohm element

 

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Just change you element to 22 to 27 ohm and your good.  Like I said, the first 2 pins from the right are AC center rail. One for Heater and one for smoke fan DC circuit.  IF you check continuity on those 2 pins without harness and it reads 0 ohms, you only need one of the wires to go to the ERR board hot.  The black to common.   G

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gunrunnerjohn posted:

You bought the wrong one John, you can change the resistor and use that one.

Mike, everything but smoke will obviously fit, I'd have to see how stuff fits before I'd say smoke would fit.

Thanks John, I'll get in touch with you offline to discuss further. 

Mike

gunrunnerjohn posted:

They don't "need" any mods, but if you want more smoke, there are things you can do.  For diesels, you probably don't want "steam-like" smoke.

I thought most of the early tmcc smoke units had issues....with anemic smoke output?

Jhainer posted:

it's an 8 ohm one tho?

it says on the sheet from Lionel 3608031200 Smoke unit /fan / square/ diesel / 8ohm

 

 

The same smoke unit that I'm looking for a parts breakdown. I know lionel has the element. But, trying to find out the motor that will fit?

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