This is my first modern era Lionel engine; I had a few MTH RailKings. I only run them in conventional mode, which may be the origin of the disappointments, however my MTH engines do not have any of these isssues.

The smoke unit and cab light only operate in neutral.

At max setting the engine sound is nice but not quite loud enough. 

Also, the paint scheme was a disappointment: It was pictured as a CR painted over a LV, with the original Lehigh Valley lettering still plainly visible. Fun concept but lousy execution: the LV lettering is undetectable under normal lighting.

The headlight is fantastic, far superior to MTH, and it runs great.

Can anyone tell me whether the short nose or the long nose is the "front" in the prototype?

Very sad to say, I would be very hard pressed to shell out $400 for another Lionel.

Advice or comments??

Thanks!

Steve

 

 

 

 

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SES posted:

This is my first modern era Lionel engine; I had a few MTH RailKings. I only run them in conventional mode, which may be the origin of the disappointments, however my MTH engines do not have any of these isssues.

The smoke unit and cab light only operate in neutral.

At max setting the engine sound is nice but not quite loud enough. 

Also, the paint scheme was a disappointment: It was pictured as a CR painted over a LV, with the original Lehigh Valley lettering still plainly visible. Fun concept but lousy execution: the LV lettering is undetectable under normal lighting.

The headlight is fantastic, far superior to MTH, and it runs great.

Can anyone tell me whether the short nose or the long nose is the "front" in the prototype?

Very sad to say, I would be very hard pressed to shell out $400 for another Lionel.

Advice or comments??

Thanks!

Steve

 

 

 

 

That’s why there are other manufacturers. It’s your money. Spend as you see fit. Can’t do anything about the paint but the other issues should be addressed and repaired. 

Rod Miller

Lehigh Valley Railroad posted:

How about some pictures of this?

Sure. Here's a shot of catalog copy and of reality, in neutral. I pulled the armature of the MPC engine so it could provide some railroad ID as a dummy. 

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SES,

    For a RS11 the long hood would be the front, that is the way the engineer is sitting. I have two PRR Legacy RS11s but I prefer to run them short hood forward. I use the direction control when setting up a lash up so that mine start short end forward. The standard set up is long end forward. 

   The cab light is supposed to go out in Legacy engines once they move. I have never ran a Legacy engine in conventional and have said in the past running a Legacy engine in conventional is like taking a shower in a raincoat. My guess is this is the reason for you smoke problem. In conventional you are probably at a higher voltage in neutral than when you go forward or reverse. In command you are at 18 volts so my RS11s smoke great in neutral or running.

    As far as the paint job I am sure CR did their best to cover over the LV. However when CR was starting up it depended what paint the local hardware store had. Paint marching was hit or miss. I would also of liked to see a little more of the LV visible but if you can see it in certain lights better I would think this was the way it was during the transition to CR. I generally llike these transition engines as do I like this one.

      Give it some time to get use to. Legacy engines as terrific but again I strongly recommend investing in command contral (Legacy of course). My RS11s are real loud do you have your volume pod turned up?

JohnB

  

Just an FYI, Lionel does a fairly good job setting up loco's to run how the real railroad ran loco's. For example, using a RS-11, my PRR RS-11 is set to run long hood forward as that's how the Pennsy ran them. On the other hand my New Haven RS-11 is set to run, by Lionel, short hood forward as that is how the New Haven ran them. I have numerous pictures and DVD's to prove my point as well. Also look for the letter "F", as that is the front end. Lionel, because of this, sets the engineers accordingly.

Cincy Trains,

    Yes I am aware that the Pennsy ran their RS11s long hood forward but all those guys who ran or even worked on the Pennsy are mostly gone to the big railroad in the sky. I like short hood forward so that's the way I run them. Good thing Legacy is flexible .

johnB

SES posted:

Why on earth would want to sit at the back if you had your druthers, which the railroads apparently did?

Many railroads did it as it was often an agreement with the Engineers union to do so for safety purposes in the event of grade crossing accidents. The inclusion of "high hoods" on the short hood end of the engines that normally don't have them, is a similar situation as far as crew protection, especially on the N&W and Southern railroads.

It was also a carry over from the steam days when locomotives had a boiler out front for protection. The engine crews were simply used to it.

The practice is seen less and less with the advent of modern safety cabs.

Tom

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NS6770Fan posted:

Funny, I was honestly considering purchasing this loco as I like the patched look of a locomotive. It would have been an amazing loco to have IF it had the LV under the Conrail loco on the side IMHO...

YEah, I thought it was a cool idea. If you hold the loco up to the light and roll it a round, there are angles at which you can make out the LEHIGH VALLEY, but sadly not  under normal viewing.

 

NS6770Fan posted:

Funny, I was honestly considering purchasing this loco as I like the patched look of a locomotive. It would have been an amazing loco to have IF it had the LV under the Conrail loco on the side IMHO...

YEah, I thought it was a cool idea. If you hold the loco up to the light and roll it a round, there are angles at which you can make out the LEHIGH VALLEY, but sadly not  under normal viewing.

 

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