MTH 2019 Vol 2 catalog is up (link)

Nothing for me again 

Nor me.

Not  for me.

Where's the whistle steam?

tHanks for posting, Will get my catalog at York Tomorrow. Glancing through the online version there are a few items that caught my eye...

Well kudos to MTH for FINALLY "throwing us a bone" in making [er..correcting the "C628"] correctly an ALco C630. Now if we can get that in the Demonstrator colors....

I wish MTH would leave the fantasy scheme steamers to Lionel and focus more on real locomotives. 

Looks like I will just be getting a couple diesels: the RK Scale C630 in Lehigh Valley and the Premier VO-1000 in Burlington. 

Nothing "earth shattering" once again, except prices keep climbing.

"except prices keep climbing"

Pretty much the history of economics since Pericles in ancient Greece.

Too bad MTH has never fixed their streamlined observation tool to produce a domed version. Would have purchased a Train of Tomorrow and the previous C&O Turbine with Chessie cars, but not without the feature Domed Obs car. Looks like St Jude Children's Hospital will get a bigger donation this year.

See a couple of nice things but prices do keep going up cutting into my choices.

Dave

Honestly, I'm a bit concerned. There were a lot of new paint schemes, some of them quite intriguing, obscure, and/or returning for the first time in a while. However, as with the last catalog, I noticed that MTH is increasingly recataloging locomotives from the previous catalog, not only the specific model (witness the GP40, which has been in 3 successive catalogs with paint changes) but even recatalogging specific paint schemes such as the B&O 4-6-2 Pacifics. Also, there were two whole pages devoted to a hodgepodge of previous catalogs' models. This suggests to me that MTH might have an overstock of these models that they're trying to get rid of. Or it could just be that they're doing a third(!) run of the USRA Pacifics. 

It's going to be very hard not to purchase the US Steel SW1500, and as I mentioned earlier, a number of paint schemes were intriguing (Studebaker, Chesapeake & Indiana, Rio Grande black PAs, Rock & Rail). 

The page keeps getting turned by someone in the house

I think the Rock Island E8 is really neat! 

I might go for a railking Alco RS-3, I am on the fence because I have been trying to get more into more detailed models but I think the railking model has a great price considering it comes with both smoke and command control.

No steam with scale wheels at all. I wonder if steam with scale wheels has reached the end of the line? I hope not. I would have ordered the 0-8-0 if it had scale wheels. 

jhz563 posted:

mth 2019 vol 2

 

Is that a correct color ? I am aware of the Yellow, Red, Blue. and Black, did not know that the NS did an Orange. The colors represent the NS shop that did the rebuild, the Black is the manufacture's rebuild.

It looks like a printed page color problem to me. The yellow on the Alaskan SD70 is also the same wrong color as well as the yellow on the CSX version. All of the yellow items on that page is way off!! 

The P42 with the red and blue frame stripes is calling my name. Probably also should grab the phase IV anniversary unit too. 

Bill T posted:

jhz563 posted:

mth 2019 vol 2

 

Is that a correct color ? I am aware of the Yellow, Red, Blue. and Black, did not know that the NS did an Orange. The colors represent the NS shop that did the rebuild, the Black is the manufacture's rebuild.

I think it's supposed to be yellow - honestly not sure.  I am still at work so I haven't looked that close

I do really like the RDG Alco 630.

Flags. So-o-o many flags.

The Premier C&O Chessie System modern 50' box car is a box car that I have to get in both road numbers to run in all the freight trains. 

The RailKing CANFOR plug door box car is a car that fits in with SOO LINE freight trains.

The Peavey Company PS-2CD high-sided 3-bay covered hoppers would look right in a 1960's to 1990's freight train.

The ILLINOIS TERMINAL PS-2CD 3-bay covered hoppers are interesting. I might get them.

The ECC America Funnel-Flow tank car is one that I have to get for the GTW and SOO LINE trains.

Andrew

The RAIX 8,000 Gallon Tank car looks right for modern train.

Andrew

I just noticed a DM&IR MISSABE bay-window caboose that would be a great addition.

Andrew

I've committed to Lionel's control systems foe locomotives but I might get some of the rolling stock down the line.

I just wonder why MTH hasn't tried to make the Amtrak ACS-64 yet, when they already have tooling for the European version that I would think they can convert. Hopefully the new paint schemes will help fund that in the near future.

Haven't decided yet, but there will be some locos and cars!

TylerCH posted:

I've committed to Lionel's control systems foe locomotives but I might get some of the rolling stock down the line.

I just wonder why MTH hasn't tried to make the Amtrak ACS-64 yet, when they already have tooling for the European version that I would think they can convert. Hopefully the new paint schemes will help fund that in the near future.

As has been said numerous times, Siemens licensing terms are not on par with o scale production. 

I’m was very excited to see the reissue of all the Amtrak 40th anniversary Genesis locos! Now I can get the ones I didn’t get the first time around. Especially the red nosed version that only came in a set. 

I really like the Daylight Railking Cabforward but I am confused on its specs. In the catalog, it says O-42 curves as minimum curve radius. To my knowledge, these models have always been O-31 curves. When you click on the independent link to see more about the specific engine model (30-1823-1), the features tab shows that the model is O-31 curves as a minimum curve radius instead of O-42 as seen in the catalog. 

Is this a typo error on the catalog or did the railking cabforward models actually get bigger??

TrainMasterMark posted:

I really like the Daylight Railking Cabforward but I am confused on its specs. In the catalog, it says O-42 curves as minimum curve radius. To my knowledge, these models have always been O-31 curves. When you click on the independent link to see more about the specific engine model (30-1823-1), the features tab shows that the model is O-31 curves as a minimum curve radius instead of O-42 as seen in the catalog. 

Is this a typo error on the catalog or did the railking cabforward models actually get bigger??

Pretty sure it will be O-31. I have a recent PS3 and an earlier PS2 models and both are O-31. I sold my PS1 version which was also O-31. I haven't seen anything in Railking that requires more than an O-31 curve.

Will Ebbert posted:

TylerCH posted:

I've committed to Lionel's control systems foe locomotives but I might get some of the rolling stock down the line.

I just wonder why MTH hasn't tried to make the Amtrak ACS-64 yet, when they already have tooling for the European version that I would think they can convert. Hopefully the new paint schemes will help fund that in the near future.

As has been said numerous times, Siemens licensing terms are not on par with o scale production. 

I was not aware of this; thanks for explaining, Mr. Ebbert.

Looks like I'm safe for another six months!

Rob

VistaDomeScott posted:

The page keeps getting turned by someone in the house

Ironic that the page stopped at the Chessie SD40-2?

Rob

BobbyD posted:

Too bad MTH has never fixed their streamlined observation tool to produce a domed version. Would have purchased a Train of Tomorrow and the previous C&O Turbine with Chessie cars, but not without the feature Domed Obs car. Looks like St Jude Children's Hospital will get a bigger donation this year.

You could always give the observation car to Allen Graziano and he can merge the dome on top! After all, the car is made of plastic!

For me, I am going for the EMD Demo MP15!

Really considering getting one of each of the Premier Army cars they have done over the past few catalogs. I took a liking to KCS 4006. There is a lot on the list but just a few to highlight.

The woodside reefer car with Boiler Gold on it is pretty neat! (30-78212). Just in time for Purdue's 150th anniversary too.

H1000 posted:

TrainMasterMark posted:

I really like the Daylight Railking Cabforward but I am confused on its specs. In the catalog, it says O-42 curves as minimum curve radius. To my knowledge, these models have always been O-31 curves. When you click on the independent link to see more about the specific engine model (30-1823-1), the features tab shows that the model is O-31 curves as a minimum curve radius instead of O-42 as seen in the catalog. 

Is this a typo error on the catalog or did the railking cabforward models actually get bigger??

Pretty sure it will be O-31. I have a recent PS3 and an earlier PS2 models and both are O-31. I sold my PS1 version which was also O-31. I haven't seen anything in Railking that requires more than an O-31 curve.

That’s what i thought. I have my PS1 version that I have been happy with but I’m in love with that Daylight scheme and I was about to be real disappointed if I could not run it on my primarily O-31 curve layout! 😂

I am nowhere near safe from this catalog. 

Daylight Cabforward, Susquehanna RS-3 or GP-40, and the four 8k and black sunoco tankers are forsure or probably gonna be on my pre order list. 

Pretty large assortment of product. Lots and lots of new color schemes. 

Love the Pacifics, but this ones going to kill the budget:

The "stainless "plated f-7and passenger cars......a real enticement.

I know a catalog is a big undertaking but my underwear is dry on this one.

 

Bill T posted:

jhz563 posted:

mth 2019 vol 2

 

Is that a correct color ? I am aware of the Yellow, Red, Blue. and Black, did not know that the NS did an Orange. The colors represent the NS shop that did the rebuild, the Black is the manufacture's rebuild.

Yeah, that color is way off from the prototype as posted by WRAWROACX.

https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/...acc-1800-and-a-goose

jonnyspeed posted:

Hudson J1e posted:

No steam with scale wheels at all. I wonder if steam with scale wheels has reached the end of the line? I hope not. I would have ordered the 0-8-0 if it had scale wheels. 

Exactly. I was ready for some 2R steam, but nothing. AND they continue to make diesel's with Proto 3/2 trucks and Proto 3 electronics, but no fixed pilots or correct length handrails. I will continue to support Scott Mann. He is making models a lot closer to what I want even if they are more expensive.

Don't the 2 rail version come with fix pilots?  The F7 for a ABA is 800 bucks give or take.  Not many of us who can afford a F3 ABA at 2000.00 from 3rdrail

I am thinking about the RK Alco PA AA in Santa Fe gold livery. Definitely the Canfor plug door boxcar. Going to be an all-Alco year coming up, as I ordered the Lionel Alco FA AA sets in both SP&S and Demonstrator liveries. Plus I have. SP&S RK RS-3 on the way already.

I am tapped out $wise for next year!

My Wishlit

@Hudson J1e The Premier 0-8-0 lists Proto 3-2 convertibility as a feature, but I'll bet this is a misprint.  As you stated, there are no -2 product numbers, and as far as I know this is a "captive axle" toy train chassis where the wheels and axles are not removable .

And what's up with page 82?  Did they go through the Product Locator and just re-catalog a bunch of stuff that's languishing in inventory?

Eventually all of this old tooling is going to be worn out.  Maybe then we'll see new products or meaningful mechanical improvements.  Until then I guess I'm on the sidelines 

Ted S posted:

@Hudson J1e The Premier 0-8-0 lists Proto 3-2 convertibility as a feature, but I'll bet this is a misprint.  As you stated, there are no -2 product numbers, and as far as I know this is a "captive axle" toy train chassis where the wheels and axles are not removable .

And what's up with page 82?  Did they go through the Product Locator and just re-catalog a bunch of stuff that's languishing in inventory?

Ted ask them here:

https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/...m/mth-general-topics

Maybe they will respond to your ?

I found a freight car I'll pre-order from this catalog: https://www.mthtrains.com/20-94291

So I'll buy one thing.

superwarp1 posted:

jonnyspeed posted:

Hudson J1e posted:

No steam with scale wheels at all. I wonder if steam with scale wheels has reached the end of the line? I hope not. I would have ordered the 0-8-0 if it had scale wheels. 

Exactly. I was ready for some 2R steam, but nothing. AND they continue to make diesel's with Proto 3/2 trucks and Proto 3 electronics, but no fixed pilots or correct length handrails. I will continue to support Scott Mann. He is making models a lot closer to what I want even if they are more expensive.

Don't the 2 rail version come with fix pilots?  The F7 for a ABA is 800 bucks give or take.  Not many of us who can afford a F3 ABA at 2000.00 from 3rdrail

I'd have to guess that not making any new 2 rail steamers was a business decision. They continue to make the diesels luckily. I can only wonder what the sales numbers are really like in each category. 

I pre-ordered the Premier G. W. B. 4141 in two-rail plus the proper baggage car which I will have to convert.

I am tempted by the military stuff and the Reading 630, I have the red NS one on order and I have the NS blue, and I may get the yellow one also. The GG1s are too expensive, so if I am going to spend big bucks for an engine I have a bunch of already I my as well wait for Lionel to release the 4800 rivets again.  Is it me or is this a slim catalog?

I liked the B. and P. EMD MP15. I also liked the four single dome chrome tank cars.

I am tempted by the military stuff and the Reading 630, I have the red NS one on order and I have the NS blue, and I may get the yellow one also. The GG1s are too expensive, so if I am going to spend big bucks for an engine I have a bunch of already,  I may as well wait for Lionel to release the 4800 rivets again.  Is it me or is this a slim catalog?

The ACL GP7 looks interesting.

Southern Pacific had 240 of these, but MTH insists on Pimpin' the Nasa Roadname

I painted my own, Not going to wait until 2037

SPSF posted:

Southern Pacific had 240 of these, but MTH insists on Pimpin' the Nasa Roadname

I painted my own, Not going to wait until 2037

I saw many of those in downtown LA in the eighties sometimes doubled up, and you say MTH never did one.  I would be understandingly upset also.  nice job on the painting BTW.

Not one thing in it for me.

RF&P S2 for me.

Sunrise

 

MrMoe50 posted:

 

Bill T posted:

jhz563 posted:

mth 2019 vol 2

 

Is that a correct color ? I am aware of the Yellow, Red, Blue. and Black, did not know that the NS did an Orange. The colors represent the NS shop that did the rebuild, the Black is the manufacture's rebuild.

Yeah, that color is way off from the prototype as posted by WRAWROACX.

https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/...acc-1800-and-a-goose

 

The color is the least of the problems with this engine.  The prototype started out life as an SD70M not a 70Mac.  So, most of the long hood still resembles a 70M not a 70Mac.  It now sports a cab nose and an AC inverter box that more closely resembles an SD70Ace.  This offering screams of no effort. None. 

Which leaves me asking yet again, why no SD70M?  Never released in PS3.  Just saying. 

I am happy to see the return of the CP Holiday Train in Premier.  Thank you MTH. 

I also like the “stainless plating” that they do. 

The Premier steam section leads me to believe they are trying to burn through existing inventory, as most (or all?) is available today.  The Premier steam is very nice.  

So for me, the CP Holiday Train box car set, C&NW AC4400 and maybe the SD40-2 in BNSF patch.

I give this catalog a C grade.  I hope everything is okay at MTH.

I like the 1776 Premier Line Pennsylvania GG-!. Thinking about purchasing that locomotive.

I heard a rumor that MTH was supposed to introduce a Lehigh Valley "Wyoming", but canceled plans at the last minute.

Had anyone else heard this?

SouthernMike posted:

I wish MTH would leave the fantasy scheme steamers to Lionel and focus more on real locomotives. 

Looks like I will just be getting a couple diesels: the RK Scale C630 in Lehigh Valley and the Premier VO-1000 in Burlington. 

If you can believe Lionel (no reason not to in this regard, I don't think), these seem to sell really well.  If they were total turkeys in terms of sales numbers, they wouldn't keep doing it.

Why would you want to stop MTH from producing something that might sell very well and then possibly contribute to the bottom line that might fund other products being made?

prrhorseshoecurve posted:

BobbyD posted:

Too bad MTH has never fixed their streamlined observation tool to produce a domed version. Would have purchased a Train of Tomorrow and the previous C&O Turbine with Chessie cars, but not without the feature Domed Obs car. Looks like St Jude Children's Hospital will get a bigger donation this year.

You could always give the observation car to Allen Graziano and he can merge the dome on top! After all, the car is made of plastic!

Sorry, can't afford the cost of two cars to make one and then attempt to match the factory paint.   They would have had me and many others if they'd have tooled it up from the beginning!

Ted S posted:

@Hudson J1e The Premier 0-8-0 lists Proto 3-2 convertibility as a feature, but I'll bet this is a misprint.  As you stated, there are no -2 product numbers, and as far as I know this is a "captive axle" toy train chassis where the wheels and axles are not removable .

And what's up with page 82?  Did they go through the Product Locator and just re-catalog a bunch of stuff that's languishing in inventory?

Eventually all of this old tooling is going to be worn out.  Maybe then we'll see new products or meaningful mechanical improvements.  Until then I guess I'm on the sidelines 

I really don't think we're going to see much in the way of new tooling in the O gauge market. The return on investment just isn't there IMHO. 

J 611 posted:

Ted S posted:

@Hudson J1e The Premier 0-8-0 lists Proto 3-2 convertibility as a feature, but I'll bet this is a misprint.  As you stated, there are no -2 product numbers, and as far as I know this is a "captive axle" toy train chassis where the wheels and axles are not removable .

And what's up with page 82?  Did they go through the Product Locator and just re-catalog a bunch of stuff that's languishing in inventory?

Eventually all of this old tooling is going to be worn out.  Maybe then we'll see new products or meaningful mechanical improvements.  Until then I guess I'm on the sidelines 

I really don't think we're going to see much in the way of new tooling in the O gauge market. The return on investment just isn't there IMHO. 

Lionel is pretty good about new tooling on stuff. The passenger car department has been great the last few years, several new freight cars over the years too. 

One issue with locomotives is MTH did a bunch of obscure ones a while back such as the Baldwin transfer diesel and all the electrics. There's only so many people that want these and so many road names to do them in. Then both manufacturers did the SD60E which only applies to NS. Surely we'll soon see a Tier IV GEVO from one of them, but until then my wallet is safe.

So far,

The NYC Alco PA to replace my P1. Wish I could get it with fixed pilots

The Santa-Fe plated E8 to go with my F3 plated engine and cars.

I'm bouncing around the idea of getting another CNW AC4400W. I need one like I need a hole in my head. I already have UP9096 on order and I have UP4141. The Lionel excursion set offered early last year is a more correct consist than the one MTH is offering, plus they're a full 85 feet each (the theater car is a lot of laughs). I'm slowly reaching the saturation point on my train roster.

AGHRMatt posted:

I'm bouncing around the idea of getting another CNW AC4400W. I need one like I need a hole in my head. I already have UP9096 on order and I have UP4141. The Lionel excursion set offered early last year is a more correct consist than the one MTH is offering, plus they're a full 85 feet each (the theater car is a lot of laughs). I'm slowly reaching the saturation point on my train roster.

Well? when you get it, please share videos of it Matt! 

Yellow paint and markings always seem to be much darker in the Premier line images than on the real locos and cars.

Andrew

If there's something you definitely want and believe MTH can and should make, use the product suggestion form on their website... Andy Edelman said on Notch 6 they read those suggestions regularly.

https://mthtrains.com/main-contact-form

I was quite happy to see a re-issue of the Western Maryland Imperial Challenger in Proto 3.0.  I have the Proto 2.0 version of this train and love it. They also used a different engine number #1204 which is great. I have both of the scale versions of the WM Challenger, #1203 and #1208 and love them all.

speperak posted:

I was quite happy to see a re-issue of the Western Maryland Imperial Challenger in Proto 3.0.  I have the Proto 2.0 version of this train and love it. They also used a different engine number #1204 which is great. I have both of the scale versions of the WM Challenger, #1203 and #1208 and love them all.

I like these comments... Soon there will be a nice used Western Maryland Imperial Challenger for sale that can be bought for less than new!

S.O.Sh. nothing new, more cookies and no must haves but I will probably buy these two diesels as lash up helpers to the existing collection.

Looks like the MTH VP's are more focused on a close retirement like Weaver Joe.

Just wish MTH would provide the correct RS-3 dual head lamps like Lionel offers going forward. 

Guess I will have to paint over those modern yellow dashes along the deck. CNJ never had those.

SIRT:  Seriously?  You're not going to spring for SIRTOA 821???

 

 

https://www.mthtrains.com/20-21186-1

How does anyone plan to find "M" SI Logos for it anyway? 

It's 2011 all over again.

-Crank

I have several locos that are possibilities.  Fun stuff!

DITTO

As with any MTH catalog, there will be those who like the items and will buy, and those who don’t find anything new or interesting. 

I saw a few locos and cars that I want. Budget will keep me limited though. I will get the NS SD70MAC. It’s not the prototype, but it goes with the GE units I have. I don’t see MTH doing a new tooling for this one, so I will settle. 

I want new steam. Last Notch 6 podcast from MTH said they were trying to clear out old steam before they possibly release a new model or two. 

I also want a new GE ET44AC - actually a few so I have my fingers crossed. So many possibilities there. They need to make that. 

Had the ALCo PA/PB-1 been offered in "scale wheel" version, I would have bitten.  They've done such a great job on the EMD F3s, why not the Es and the ALCos?  I'll keep waiting till they do....

The boys and I have looked through it a number of times now. Glad to see a number of short lines and regional's represented, unfortunately non are local to us so not going for any. We decided that the Rock Island E8 and the Great Lakes Reefer are must haves and maybe one of the lighted Christmas passenger cars. These will be the first new MTH items purchased in a number of years.

I'm safe!

Nothing of real interest here.

I like the details on the Premier Funnel Flow tank cars. I have to get several of them in the new paint schemes. 

Andrew