I was excited to receive the new MTH Christmas boxcar with stage (#20-93751), but it immediately started smoking when placed on the tracks.

It’s a great looking car that I would like to exchange for another one, but it appears that they’re out of stock at MTH and the dealer where I purchased it so an exchange might not be an option.

I’m not sure if anyone else has a similar problem and if there is an easy wiring fix?

Thanks

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I was also excited to finally receive my MTH Rail King Canadian Pacific Holiday boxcars on Friday. I ordered them last year along with engine and the CP engine arrived last fall, but no cars. Charles Ro indicated that they sold out of the cars, but held the order until the next shipment arrived.

I just put car 30-7094A on the track to test along with a post war steamer powered by a Lionel CW-80. The lights were fine for a couple of minutes, then glowed brighter for a second. The blue and green LED lights stopped working, but the red and yellow lights are continue to work. I am now afraid to test the remaining three cars.

I will call Charles Ro on Monday for a replacement. Are these cars are compatible with Lionel power supplies?

Thanks!

Bill

 

LCCA, NCOG, Milwaukee Lionel Club

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Bmurphy20 posted:

I was also excited to finally receive my MTH Rail King Canadian Pacific Holiday boxcars on Friday. I ordered them last year along with engine and the CP engine arrived last fall, but no cars. Charles Ro indicated that they sold out of the cars, but held the order until the next shipment arrived.

I just put car 30-7094A on the track to test along with a post war steamer powered by a Lionel CW-80. The lights were fine for a couple of minutes, then glowed brighter for a second. The blue and green LED lights stopped working, but the red and yellow lights are continue to work. I am now afraid to test the remaining three cars.

I will call Charles Ro on Monday for a replacement. Are these cars are compatible with Lionel power supplies?

Thanks!

I'm wondering about a possible reason for your car's failure, Bill. Were you running that engine in conventional mode using the CW-80? I'm asking because Trainland's Kenn Jr. mentioned in another thread that 18 volts is optimal for powering these boxcars. So, if you were running in conventional mode, maybe that car worked fine while the engine was powered at less than 18 volts but when the engine's speed and the accompanying voltage was increased beyond 18 volts, that's when the LEDs suddenly brightened and went out? If that's what possibly happened, through no fault of yourself, Bill, then perhaps it would be advisable for MTH to publish a cautionary warning that their LED equipped rolling stock have a risk, however so slight, of being damaged if the track voltage should exceed 18 volts.

I SERIOUSLY doubt that 19-20 volts should affect a properly designed product that is designed to run on 18 volts.  If it does, it's NOT properly designed!  I believe the reference to 18 volts was simply because they were optimized for command operation, and lower voltage affect how bright the lights are.

Question on that MTH CP "Stage Door" Christmas car mentioned by the OP (20-93751). What exactly is it and what's inside the car? Does the door operate automatically or manually?

I have the 4-car LED lighted set from last year and was curious about this one.

Thanks.

TCA, LCCA

Tim O'Malley posted:

https://www.facebook.com/acces...eos/751402188269230/

If you want to see how the original looked during the final appearance in Pennsylvania, (2014) this video gives a good view.  The location is Nicholson, PA, and the train is on the Tunkhannock Viaduct. This was the one and only time the performance took place on the bridge. 

Thanks, much appreciated.

TCA, LCCA

gunrunnerjohn posted:

It would be a bit of work to make this one look like the original!

Agreed, John.

I think I may pass on this one now that I've seen it. I've got the CP 4-car box car set from last year and I'm very happy with them. Can take the $$ I'd spend on this and pick up a couple of those North Pole flats with the LEDs.  Really like those!

TCA, LCCA

johnstrains posted:

Question on that MTH CP "Stage Door" Christmas car mentioned by the OP (20-93751). What exactly is it and what's inside the car? Does the door operate automatically or manually?

I have the 4-car LED lighted set from last year and was curious about this one.

Thanks.

I saw this car at Trainfest last weekend. MTH had it in their booth. Almost the entire side of the box car flipped down and created a ramp. There was nothing on the inside. 

Bmurphy20 posted:

I was also excited to finally receive my MTH Rail King Canadian Pacific Holiday boxcars on Friday. I ordered them last year along with engine and the CP engine arrived last fall, but no cars. Charles Ro indicated that they sold out of the cars, but held the order until the next shipment arrived.

I just put car 30-7094A on the track to test along with a post war steamer powered by a Lionel CW-80. The lights were fine for a couple of minutes, then glowed brighter for a second. The blue and green LED lights stopped working, but the red and yellow lights are continue to work. I am now afraid to test the remaining three cars.

I will call Charles Ro on Monday for a replacement. Are these cars are compatible with Lionel power supplies?

Thanks!

Update - I called Charles Ro today, and they asked me to ship the car back to them for repair or replacement. I shipped it back this afternoon, though no offer was made for a prepaid shipping label.

Bill

 

LCCA, NCOG, Milwaukee Lionel Club

I bought the MTH 30-7094 set and out of the box, one of the cars was strobing between normal and magnesium white intensity and was emitting smoke from the tiny circuit board. Immediately called Charles Ro and the representative surprised me by asking if they just spoke to me about this issue - No, they had not... this is my first time calling in. A return label is on the way. I was advised to "burn in" the remaining cars...

Just curious what the resolution was for the cars with lighting issues? I paid to ship the first car back to Charles Ro, and then a second car failed (tested with a Lionel power brick/TMCC). Last week, Charles Ro indicated that they will email me a return label for the second car. Since I didn’t receive a label, I called back today. Charles Ro is trying to get MTH involved to replace the entire 30-7094 set as they cannot repair the defective cars.

Bill

 

LCCA, NCOG, Milwaukee Lionel Club

WOW this is scary. My daughter just bought the 4 car set and railking engine and we are running it at my house. I just got a note that the Stage door box car was being shipped to me today from Pat's trains. We are running in conventional with a small MTH transformer. The announcement feature is perfect with a french Canadian accent.DSC03692DSC03695DSC03694DSC03693

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I received my MTH 20-93751 in January of this year.  However, I haven't run it until now as by the time I received mine, I'd already pulled the Xmas train items down from the layout.  I placed it on the track with the 4 car CP box set and it worked great, for about a minute and a half. 

From the smell, I'm guessing a fuse blew or maybe a wire burned up?  From visually inspecting it, it doesn't look like any bulbs are burnt out and the wire looks ok.  Does anybody know if these things have fuses?

I'm running a DCS setup with the CP Xmas matching locomotive.  All else is running fine.  This was the only car that burnt up....

The solder pads on the PCB are too close together.  The PCB is either repaired or replaced at MTH.  Not all cars have this problem. It depends on how much solder was added to the pad.

Jon G TCA 95-41020

Independent Lionel Service Tech

MTH Service Technician at MTH

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