Pennsylvania R.R. Everyday

@Sitka posted:

My PW Lionel 671and 2020 from 46 has a Horizontal E-unit and bulb for smoke units, and a 671 with a 2020 Boiler bought as junk that's from 46 Horizontal E-unit with bulb for smoke unit repainted with new number 6200, and a 2020 That was a Junker repainted to a 682 has a slanted motor upright E unit with Heater smoke unit. I degrease and breakdown all PW engines and use Lucas white lithium grease and basic gun oil, they all run well I do that pretty much with all my engines every couple years degrease trucks also change brushes and springs, and service e units. I use Index cards on all my engine for service and repairs that were made.

These are really nice; they look better than my overheating much newer MPC turbines. You've worked wonders. Again. I wonder if I found an old slant motor (or two) and dropped them in they might run better than those in my locos now. Can't seem to find any in reasonable condition or price on the Bay, though. Unfortunately, I don't know where else to look.

@CAPPilot posted:

Hello Pennsy fans.  Great images as usual!  Jonathan, your collections of GG1s is impressive.

I have five PRR electrics, not counting my two bicentennial ones, that I bought for my late 40s themed layout.  Two MTH P5a, one MTH GG1, and two WbB GG1s.  This is currently five more than I need since I do not, and probably will not, have catenary on my layout. However, the two conventional WbB engines I do run with 14 MTH/Williams 18" passenger cars at shows which is a good set for that.

I bought my first electric, a P5a Modified, because I thought it was a neat looking engine.  I subsequently bought a P5a Boxcab to double head with the Modified but it is disintegrating in its box (zinc pest).  I got the MTH PS2 3v GG1 at a very low price that I could not pass it up, and has been in the box (except for pics) since I bought it.

While not great images, here they are.

It's neat to see the P5a in the Dohner/Loewy carbody. And don't worry, it's fun to run 'em even without catenary!

Peter,

   Yes, that is a rather nice painting. It reminds me of a restaurant that was on the former Hudson Division of the New York Central in Dobbs Ferry, NY. For many years, I used to enjoy the very large painting they had in their lobby of a New York Central streamlined Hudson (sorry to mention it in this topic...but I have to admit it was beautiful).

   Another observation, very nice to see several members of the PRR Technical & Historical Society posting here.

   Speaking of PRR, here is one of my prewar PRR #230 B6 switchers:

Tom

@Bill Swatos posted:

These are really nice; they look better than my overheating much newer MPC turbines. You've worked wonders. Again. I wonder if I found an old slant motor (or two) and dropped them in they might run better than those in my locos now. Can't seem to find any in reasonable condition or price on the Bay, though. Unfortunately, I don't know where else to look.

Post some pictures of those engines with the boiler off, here are some pictures the top 2 are from Greenberg's 77-92 era, the bottom 3 are Greenberg's PW era this should help you, by looking at part numbers pretty much the same other than magnatraction axles, I don't see why you couldn't put a PW motor in your MPC, I had issues with a 76 Rectifier replaced with a PW motor and runs great.  those turbines that I repainted were in bad shape they were so gunked up with fifty years plus of grease, breaking them all the way down and de greasing did the trick along with a good service. Hope this helps you Mark , call Jeff at the traintender he will guide you in the right direction maybe he has a motor.

@Sitka posted:

Post some pictures of those engines with the boiler off, here are some pictures the top 2 are from Greenberg's 77-92 era, the bottom 3 are Greenberg's PW era this should help you, by looking at part numbers pretty much the same other than magnatraction axles, I don't see why you couldn't put a PW motor in your MPC, I had issues with a 76 Rectifier replaced with a PW motor and runs great.  those turbines that I repainted were in bad shape they were so gunked up with fifty years plus of grease, breaking them all the way down and de greasing did the trick along with a good service. Hope this helps you Mark , call Jeff at the traintender he will guide you in the right direction maybe he has a motor.

Thanks, Mark. My turbines are the "8404" type, 6-8404, specifically. I'm thinking that, since the field coil is fine, I might try replacing (or rewinding) just the armature. Looking more closely, it appears that Lionel specified a thinner gauge wire (with thinner enamel?) with more turns for the armature in this generation of PullMor motor vs that found in the 671 generation. I'll contact Jeff about a 671 armature; if he has one, will it fit and what will it cost. He does seem to have every imaginable spare part!

Also, I believe someone on this forum rewinds armatures. Does anyone know who that is?

Thanks again,

I found someone off the Forum (although he may also be on here, too), The Motor Doctor. I've not used him as of yet, but my friend did and speaks highly of him and his prices are reasonable.

Tom

Pennsy business car 120.

Speaking of turbines, I picked this up for a great price at auction. Wish I had the correct tender though. 

@GG1 4877 posted:

Speaking of turbines, I picked this up for a great price at auction. Wish I had the correct tender though.

Looks in Great shape WTG

Williams Pennsy picking up passengers,

@PRR8976 posted:

I found someone off the Forum (although he may also be on here, too), The Motor Doctor. I've not used him as of yet, but my friend did and speaks highly of him and his prices are reasonable.

Tom

Thanks, Tom. There is a thread on this forum from 2018 that mentions The Motor Doctor. I've visited his site before and sent an e-mail last night over to motordoc@themotordoctor.com and got a notice from "MAILER-DAEMON@yahoo.com" stating that yahoo could not deliver my message due to "550: High probability of spam." This is concerning and indicates he may have discontinued his business and someone else may have "hijacked" his e-mail. I will try calling the phone number listed on his site to see if he is still working on these motors as I'd like to determine whether he can help me with these MPC-era slant motor armatures.

@Sitka posted:

Williams Pennsy picking up passengers,

Nice interiors! Who's pulling the Limited today/tonight?

@Bill Swatos posted:

Thanks, Tom. There is a thread on this forum from 2018 that mentions The Motor Doctor. I've visited his site before and sent an e-mail last night over to motordoc@themotordoctor.com and got a notice from "MAILER-DAEMON@yahoo.com" stating that yahoo could not deliver my message due to "550: High probability of spam." This is concerning and indicates he may have discontinued his business and someone else may have "hijacked" his e-mail. I will try calling the phone number listed on his site to see if he is still working on these motors as I'd like to determine whether he can help me with these MPC-era slant motor armatures.

Bill,

  That's interesting/concerning considering (I think) he has very reasonable pricing. Can you come back and post a follow up if you find out more? Thanks.

Tom

@Bill Swatos posted:

Nice interiors! Who's pulling the Limited today/tonight?

Bill that was a 1947-49 PW Lionel K4 w/aluminum stack sitting waiting for passengers, The Williams cars I added seats and took out the lights and went LED, did some painting along with passenger. Hows that Turbine coming along? Mark

@Sitka posted:

Bill that was a 1947-49 PW Lionel K4 w/aluminum stack sitting waiting for passengers, The Williams cars I added seats and took out the lights and went LED, did some painting along with passenger. Hows that Turbine coming along? Mark

Lionel made a 1947-1949 PW K4????

Add a image or two.

Ron

@PRRronbh posted:

Lionel made a 1947-1949 PW K4????

Add a image or two.

Ron

Bought this some years back bought as is, needed a L/H eccentric rod assy. the boiler front was broke and the trailing trucks were missing should have the 2 wheel truck that are much nicer I bought the 4-wheel truck at the time that's all I found, been looking for an original 2-wheel truck to replace what's on, I do have another 2025 with the proper 2-6-2 wheels, my problem is I buy the PW needing parts just to give them life again after buying the replacement parts could have just spent the money on an all original. You have some nice looking engines Ron.

Here is the other 2025 this is all original I painted the stack on this one could always take the paint off. Lionel made a change in 48-49 painted the stack blk and the steam chest had a simulated coupler.

I have a postwar 2035 "K4".  It is a great runner, but I question its authenticity.  As I recall the 2035 had a four wheel trailing truck with Magna Traction.  Mine has the same drive as the 2025.  I also had to put a repro boiler front on it.  I was told by a very knowledgeable collector that mine could be a transition piece, but I still suspect it was done later.

Not too shabby information from a person who is admittedly has the fewest Lionel locomotives out of all the locomotives in my collection - postwar or other.    It's those 21 years of attending TCA Desert Division meetings that provided a little education.

@GG1 4877 posted:

I have a postwar 2035 "K4".  It is a great runner, but I question its authenticity.  As I recall the 2035 had a four wheel trailing truck with Magna Traction.  Mine has the same drive as the 2025.  I also had to put a repro boiler front on it.  I was told by a very knowledgeable collector that mine could be a transition piece, but I still suspect it was done later.

Not too shabby information from a person who is admittedly has the fewest Lionel locomotives out of all the locomotives in my collection - postwar or other.    It's those 21 years of attending TCA Desert Division meetings that provided a little education.

Take a look at Post War Lionel Library your 2035 is from 50-51 with magna traction, The other book I have is Inside The Lionel Trains fun factory by Robert J. Osterhoff, yeah you never know what you buy. Its always going to happen,

@Sitka posted:

Take a look at Post War Lionel Library your 2035 is from 50-51 with magna traction, The other book I have is Inside The Lionel Trains fun factory by Robert J. Osterhoff, yeah you never know what you buy. Its always going to happen,

I should have been clearer.  My 2035 is on a 2025 2-6-2 chassis without Magna Traction which leads me to question it's authenticity.

@Sitka posted:

Bought this some years back bought as is, needed a L/H eccentric rod assy. the boiler front was broke and the trailing trucks were missing should have the 2 wheel truck that are much nicer I bought the 4-wheel truck at the time that's all I found, been looking for an original 2-wheel truck to replace what's on, I do have another 2025 with the proper 2-6-2 wheels, my problem is I buy the PW needing parts just to give them life again after buying the replacement parts could have just spent the money on an all original. You have some nice looking engines Ron.

It does have a two axial trailing truck!  I have never seen one of these.

Ron

@CAPPilot posted:

Hello Pennsy fans.  Great images as usual!  Jonathan, your collections of GG1s is impressive.

I have five PRR electrics, not counting my two bicentennial ones, that I bought for my late 40s themed layout.  Two MTH P5a, one MTH GG1, and two WbB GG1s.  This is currently five more than I need since I do not, and probably will not, have catenary on my layout. However, the two conventional WbB engines I do run with 14 MTH/Williams 18" passenger cars at shows which is a good set for that.

I bought my first electric, a P5a Modified, because I thought it was a neat looking engine.  I subsequently bought a P5a Boxcab to double head with the Modified but it is disintegrating in its box (zinc pest).  I got the MTH PS2 3v GG1 at a very low price that I could not pass it up, and has been in the box (except for pics) since I bought it.

While not great images, here they are.

Ron,

You got me thinking; how many PRR electrics do I have? I couldn’t be sure so I had to go up and take inventory.
At the top Williams EP5s MTH P5a Next is a little confusing the box is labeled FF2 while the DCS controller brings it up as E44. I have 2 of them because at on time o wanted to run a long coal drag on the NJHoghrailets layout  Next to them is a PW GG1 and a Kline GG1 A single BB1 from a ballast set next to that a boxcab out of the beer set  below that an L5 then a pair of BB1s and a P5a modified

A scale GG1

A newly acquired MU SET

A Williams MU setA 1776 GG1

Seems the PENNSYLVANIA shows up everywhere .

Judy and her friend found this at the Dubois Historical Society show window while taking their morning walk.

@PRR8976 posted:

Bill,

  That's interesting/concerning considering (I think) he has very reasonable pricing. Can you come back and post a follow up if you find out more? Thanks.

Tom

Motor Doctor is OK! I just called and set up an "appointment" for an armature rewind. He says that several e-mail servers have a problem with his e-mail address. If you have the problem I had, you have to call him and have him send you an email. If his email goes to your inbox, you're ready to go. If it lands in your "spam" folder you will have to go in and find it, mark it "not spam" and then you can use that email going forward.

How could I forget the 4877. When the 4877 was honored by NJT a PBS station had a 30 minute segment about Big Red. My friend in Staten Island picked it up. He later contacted the station and wrangled 6 copies of the tape. My young son watched it constantly. I was having the Williams TCA engine repainted by Elliott Wells. My son said make it Big Red.
So here it is.

@Bill Swatos Bill, Thanks for the info, good to know.

Tom

@Sitka posted:

Bill that was a 1947-49 PW Lionel K4 w/aluminum stack sitting waiting for passengers, The Williams cars I added seats and took out the lights and went LED, did some painting along with passenger. Hows that Turbine coming along? Mark

Mark, here's my older 8404 in her "hospital bed" with the armature ready to be sent for rewind "surgery" by the motor doc. I think I'll reassemble her without the (very) oversized lubricating linkages to make her more like the 671 which doesn't have these and remove a source of resistance on the forward driver pair which already has to operate the smoke pump via the cam. I'm not sure why Lionel opted to have those linkages added so out-of-scale other than to provide more visual "action" while the loco is running. I'll keep the linkages on my newer one for collectability (if they ever become collectable). I'll let you know how everything works out.

@Bill Swatos posted:

Mark, here's my older 8404 in her "hospital bed" with the armature ready to be sent for rewind "surgery" by the motor doc. I think I'll reassemble her without the (very) oversized lubricating linkages to make her more like the 671 which doesn't have these and remove a source of resistance on the forward driver pair which already has to operate the smoke pump via the cam. I'm not sure why Lionel opted to have those linkages added so out-of-scale other than to provide more visual "action" while the loco is running. I'll keep the linkages on my newer one for collectability (if they ever become collectable). I'll let you know how everything works out.

Sounds good Bill looking forward to seeing that fine Turbine rolling down the tracks. Mark

This is my Vista Dume from RailKing, just picked up another 3 cars to add on, The Pennsylvania R.R. they did run dome cars on the South Wind (they had the clearance for domes), and they didn't own but they did lease in the mid 60s from the Northern Pacific R.R. Does anyone have photos? from what I did read they were in N.P. colors and they also did paint to Tuscan a couple cars. Info came from Trains Magazine on line. Thanks Mark

Pennsy passing each other on a evening run.

@Lionlman posted:

Nice looking set

0-4-0 moving some wheels

I came across this thread for the first time. Here’s a picture you might like…an E-7 leading a passenger train over the Juniata River near Spruce Creek Pennsylvania:

@PRRMiddleDivision posted:

I came across this thread for the first time. Here’s a picture you might like…an E-7 leading a passenger train over the Juniata River near Spruce Creek Pennsylvania:

I don't remember how many times I rode my bicycle under the massive stone PRR viaduct at Spruce Creek on beautiful rides through the area while I was a grad student at PSU in the late '80's/early '90's! It is right where Spruce Creek empties into the Little Juniata and heading south on PA-45, there's a pretty good hill to climb right after you get under the bridge.

@Bill Swatos posted:

I don't remember how many times I rode my bicycle under the massive stone PRR viaduct at Spruce Creek on beautiful rides through the area while I was a grad student at PSU in the late '80's/early '90's! It is right where Spruce Creek empties into the Little Juniata and heading south on PA-45, there's a pretty good hill to climb right after you get under the bridge.

Bill,

Indeed, this is not far from Penn State. And the hill that you refer to on PA 45 is modeled too, though most of it has not yet been built, and what has been done is out of view in the picture that I posted. There are about seven of these skewed stone arch bridges on the the three track section of the Middle Division between Tyrone and Petersburg.

PRR Aero train overtakes local PRR freight.

@pennsyfan posted:

PRR Aero train overtakes local PRR freight.

Nice Aerotrain! First time I've seen one in action. Also nice GP38-2 (?) high-hood doubleheader!

@Sitka posted:

Sounds good Bill looking forward to seeing that fine Turbine rolling down the tracks. Mark

OK, Mark, here she is pulling the FARR#5 consist I got her with. Turns out I had to shim up the motor to get the worm to engage perfectly with the drive gear, but now she runs better than my newer one. Actually she was featured in my last Boxcar Sunday post but I wanted to post here with a PRR-only consist:

I also made a few other "tweaks." If you want more details I can figure out how to email you. Apparently that info is in our profiles where others can find it.

@PRRMiddleDivision posted:

I came across this thread for the first time. Here’s a picture you might like…an E-7 leading a passenger train over the Juniata River near Spruce Creek Pennsylvania:

Are those 3rd Rail models?