S Gauge Survey Final Version

I would welcome just about any Legacy engine. I just want to see something smaller. Lionel could do a fantastic job on a GP7/9, GP20, GP30, GP40, etc... on the diesel side. On the Steam side if they are really going to make a Legacy Berkshire I suggest that they make a painted/unlettered version as well. I'm with Karl on the 0-8-0. That would be nice.

The first company to give me a detailed scale small/medium steamer with sound and smoke will get an order for 4 from me. I'm tired of waiting...

-Jonathan

 

pCloud Premium

Of course, the real question from my perspective is: Has Lionel totally abandoned the scale side of S in favor of more "traditional style" Flyer like what's coming in FlyerChief? 

Don't get me wrong, the F/C GP appears to be a vast improvement, visually and operationally even with its compromises.  I think it will be a hit.  And folks seem to be happy with the FlyerChief Berks.

As long as the SSA SD45 seems to have fallen into a black hole, I would throw my hat in for an SD40 (or SD40-2) of similar quality to the SD70's and ES44's as long as scale wheels and Kadee conversion hardware were available.  A Legacy Berk would be of little interest to me without scale conversion available.

Rusty

Francine posted:

Hi Rocco,

Your efforts are appreciated, but I have some questions regarding the validity of the survey:

1)  how were the engines and other items selected?

2) how many participated in the survey?  As stated above a small response from overall S Gaugers would produce a very skewed result. 

I am concerned as the final conclusion does not represent anything I would be interested in, or most of those in our S Club (approximately 30 members)

I hate to see the tail wag the dog.

Francine

Francine, this survey topic has been going on for some time now. I suggest you search the forum site for earlier threads about the survey and its rules. This survey was also conducted on other S gauge sites on the internet and by S gauge clubs. ( I did a survey on my club and reported the results on this forum). The engine/car/accessory item selection was made by those who voted. Perhaps you did not see the original surveys or simply did not vote. Did any of your club members vote?

Mark

 

 

Roundhouse Bill posted:

When I interviewed Lionel at York they were considering an SD40 and still a Legacy Berk.  My feeling is that they will never do a Daylight GS4 because of tooling costs.  The new MTH catalog should be here soon and any locomotives will be remakes of S Helper.

A sample size of 18 is too small anyway to draw any meaningful conclusions. 

Bill, the tally of 18 votes was from this forum alone I believe. Other venues contributed more vote totals. The total number of voters has not been revealed to my understanding.

The percentages however do tell a story though. S gaugers want something new. Not reheated leftovers.

Mark

banjoflyer posted:

Rocco, thanks for all your efforts on this project. I do know that Dave Olson of Lionel reads this forum and he is very helpful on S gauge questions at times. Perhaps he'll forward your results to the product development group.

I'd really like to see that center beam flatcar. That's what I voted for and they are seen daily in RR yards near me. A FlyerChief  SD40  (MKT) wouldn't be too shabby either!

Mark

 

Mark,

Although I was a big fan of scale autoracks, I would equally like the Centerbeam car.  If tooled properly I could see several alternative cars coming from that tooling making this a cost effective addition to the American Flyer line for Lionel.

 

--Rocco--

Francine posted:

Hi Rocco,

Your efforts are appreciated, but I have some questions regarding the validity of the survey:

1)  how were the engines and other items selected?

2) how many participated in the survey?  As stated above a small response from overall S Gaugers would produce a very skewed result. 

I am concerned as the final conclusion does not represent anything I would be interested in, or most of those in our S Club (approximately 30 members)

I hate to see the tail wag the dog.

Francine

The items listed were based on open responses on this forum regarding what they would like to see made in the future to 3 categories, Cars, Engines and Accessories.  I then took the top items in each group (I tried to limit it to 5 but there were some ties) and used those items in the survey.  This was all documented here in an earlier thread.

As for the number of people responding...I have been told by some that is not relevant.  I have opened this up to clubs to send me their results and If you can gather your clubs results and send them to me I will update the totals.

--Rocco--

Roundhouse Bill posted:

When I interviewed Lionel at York they were considering an SD40 and still a Legacy Berk.  My feeling is that they will never do a Daylight GS4 because of tooling costs.  The new MTH catalog should be here soon and any locomotives will be remakes of S Helper.

A sample size of 18 is too small anyway to draw any meaningful conclusions. 

Bill,

MTH will get me to buy their S product when they make something new not just reissued tooling.  I am ready to give them my money but they don't seem to want it.  They should try at least one new item and then look at sales compared to the SHS reissues.

The response size both this year and last were over 3 digits not 18 as you have said.  I am looking for trends of interest that is why I asked this forum, other internet sites and clubs to respond to give it a diverse set of potential customers.

Is this perfect no.  But until Lionel, MTH, American Models etc. try to reach a broader customer base I figured I would try to do something to at least give those companies an idea as to what they should consider. 

I would strongly encourage a company like Lionel to list what they are considering and then ask us what we would buy if they made the product.  We are a passionate group of dedicated customers who are more than happy to let them know what we want.

--Rocco--

NYC J3a Hudson - as long as it is the Henry Dreyfuss streamlined 20th Century version.  I don't care which year in terms of paint scheme - just detailed nicely and with scale proportions, fan driven smoke, authentic whistle, and a bell.  You pick the operating system.  I'd even venture into FC at this point to (finally) have one of these done that way or even just conventional AC/DC if it helps with market reach and affordability.  If Legacy or DCC, then load it up - drive wheel illumination and control, smoking whistle, addressable working marker lights, New York accent crew talk, etc.  That's my vote - and hope. 

Precision Flyer Repairs -- postwar and modern S-gauge train repairs and upgrades

Get it done with Precision

precisionflyerrepairs.com

David Horn

 

Add Reply



OGR Publishing, Inc.
33 Sheridan Road, Poland, OH 44514
330-757-3020

www.ogaugerr.com
×
×
×
×
×