They have Arrived at Lionel !!!!! can't wait to get mine.
Alex
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I hope I can get one too...
I've got one on the way. I truly truly hope the drive wheels are black!
Likewise. I also got the AFT.
Nawlins posted:I've got one on the way. I truly truly hope the drive wheels are black!
What other color WOULD the drive wheels be? I'm pretty sure the previous Legacy GS-4 models had black "drive wheels".
good for you all am curious as to other than whistle steam what else is new in this version?
Hot Water posted:Nawlins posted:I've got one on the way. I truly truly hope the drive wheels are black!
What other color WOULD the drive wheels be? I'm pretty sure the previous Legacy GS-4 models had black "drive wheels".
I'm thinking perhaps the poster is referring to "all black" drivers vs. some models that might have "white-wheel trim". I recall Lionel cataloging 3 or 4 models of GS-4 Daylights (with different road-numbers and different sized lettering/graphics) this time. Just can't recall if any will have white-wall trim or not. Then again, the catalog isn't always 100% accurate with these kinds of details either. Tough call to pre-order or wait on delivery. The NYC ESE locomotives had notable wheel configuration variations from what was catalog'd. Not show-stoppers for me, but very different nonethless.
I didn't pre-order any of these new Daylight GS-4's, because I already have the fantasy Daylight cab-forward to head up my train of 18" passenger cars, and the new GS-4's were a bit on the pricey side for me. The prior Legacy version from 2012-ish had a $1200-$1300 MSRP as I recall, but this latest version was catalog'd at $1700 MSRP. 
That's a ton of extra pennies for whistle-steam, and I'm not really interested in contributing to Howard Hitchcocks year-end bonus. 
Since I'm not too particular about road-numbers and such... if I can find one at a very good deal in a month or two (or six 
) from dealers having 10% or 15% sales (off their pre-order price), that's the route I've decided to go with these high-priced steamers nowadays. They're just not worth the new price-points otherwise. Unfortunately, by waiting to purchase like this, it's the dealers who are taking the price/profit/margin hit. This is another reason why I don't like the BTO business model. Lionel gets their piece of the action, whether consumers buy or not. And dealers are left holding the risk. But then those dealers also get to compete for pre-order business that they otherwise would never get in the pre-BTO days. So there's a cost for everything in life.
David
I just hope Lionel will get the whistle right. Other than that, I can't wait to see them.
Peter Araujo posted:I just hope Lionel will get the whistle right. Other than that, I can't wait to see them.
I'm hoping too ! But just in case they don't, I would purchase the railsounds board that was in the last GS-2 they produced.
Alex
Peter Araujo posted:I just hope Lionel will get the whistle right. Other than that, I can't wait to see them.
Not that websites are always 100% accurate... but since Lionel went to the trouble of including a sampling of Railsounds features on the latest GS-4 website entry, let's hope what they have out there is what will be delivered. It's a great feature to hear this stuff before you commit to purchasing. Check it out and let us know if it's the whistle sound you're hoping for. It certainly works for me -- has terrific depth and presence. 
David
Rocky Mountaineer posted:Hot Water posted:Nawlins posted:I've got one on the way. I truly truly hope the drive wheels are black!
What other color WOULD the drive wheels be? I'm pretty sure the previous Legacy GS-4 models had black "drive wheels".
I'm thinking perhaps the poster is referring to "all black" drivers vs. some models that might have "white-wheel trim". I recall Lionel cataloging 3 or 4 models of GS-4 Daylights (with different road-numbers and different sized lettering/graphics) this time. Just can't recall if any will have white-wall trim or not. Then again, the catalog isn't always 100% accurate with these kinds of details either. Tough call to pre-order or wait on delivery. The NYC ESE locomotives had notable wheel configuration variations from what was catalog'd. Not show-stoppers for me, but very different nonethless.
I didn't pre-order any of these new Daylight GS-4's, because I already have the fantasy Daylight cab-forward to head up my train of 18" passenger cars, and the new GS-4's were a bit on the pricey side for me. The prior Legacy version from 2012-ish had a $1200-$1300 MSRP as I recall, but this latest version was catalog'd at $1700 MSRP.
Since I'm not too particular about road-numbers and such... if I can find one at a very good deal in a month or two (or six
David
Yes. Thanks, David.
Rocky Mountaineer posted:Peter Araujo posted:I just hope Lionel will get the whistle right. Other than that, I can't wait to see them.
Not that websites are always 100% accurate... but since Lionel went to the trouble of including a sampling of Railsounds features on the latest GS-4 website entry, let's hope what they have out there is what will be delivered. It's a great feature to hear this stuff before you commit to purchasing. Check it out and let us know if it's the whistle sound you're hoping for. It certainly works for me -- has terrific depth and presence.
David
I listened to the link to the Lionel site above and compared it to videos of the 4449. The 1:1 scale version is a throaty, deep steamboat whistle while the Lionel sound clip is quite different and with a higher pitch. At least this is how it sounds to my ears.
Marios trains gave me a preorder price that I found acceptable .So I preordered mine. I am excited to get black drivers and smoking whistle.
Florida East Coast posted:Rocky Mountaineer posted:Peter Araujo posted:I just hope Lionel will get the whistle right. Other than that, I can't wait to see them.
Not that websites are always 100% accurate... but since Lionel went to the trouble of including a sampling of Railsounds features on the latest GS-4 website entry, let's hope what they have out there is what will be delivered. It's a great feature to hear this stuff before you commit to purchasing. Check it out and let us know if it's the whistle sound you're hoping for. It certainly works for me -- has terrific depth and presence.
David
I listened to the link to the Lionel site above and compared it to videos of the 4449. The 1:1 scale version is a throaty, deep steamboat whistle while the Lionel sound clip is quite different and with a higher pitch. At least this is how it sounds to my ears.
Alex M posted:Peter Araujo posted:I just hope Lionel will get the whistle right. Other than that, I can't wait to see them.
I'm hoping too ! But just in case they don't, I would purchase the railsounds board that was in the last GS-2 they produced.
Alex
Don't worry Alex. The whistle is the same as on the GS2. (See above.)
Peter, if you accept the GS2 with legacy's whistle, then you should be fine.
It seems as long as they used the same whistle as the "first gen" Legacy 4449 it would be correct, no?
RickO posted:It seems as long as they used the same whistle as the "first gen" Legacy 4449 it would be correct, no?
I think the first generation GS-4 whistle sounds somewhat close to (or exactly like) 4449's whistle.
Lets hope they get the number boards in the correct position for the different versions. I pre ordered the late version with large southern pacific lettering, which should have the number boards further back on the boiler.
JG
It is hard to believe that there is a market for yet another new SP GS-4 at an ever increasing price point.
The GS-4 had both an air horn and steam whistle. My SP friends tell me that the air horn was used much more than the steam whistle back in the day.
I am sticking with my brass Williams GS-4 that has been upgraded to command control.
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New Haven Joe posted:It is hard to believe that there is a market for yet another new SP GS-4 at an ever increasing price point.
The GS-4 had both an air horn and steam whistle. My SP friends tell me that the air horn was used much more than the steam whistle back in the day.
Regarding the above:
The Daylight scheme is popular and the fact that 4449 has been kept in service no doubt helps sell models of it - in all scales.
FWIW the SP air horn sound Lionel uses in various models seems pretty authentic to me, as does the "steamboat" whistle in the video recording posted by RickO.
Let me know when you pick them up. I'd love to see photos/videos of them.
