Arne. Just acquired a Carette tunnel like yours. It was advertised as Rock and Graner. Pictures will come later. Wish it was in the same condition as yours. Today's post is titled
THE CHEAPO EXPRESS.
This train consists of prewar tinplate cars acquired during the last hour of several train meets--all at bargain prices. We see Dorfan, American Flyer, and Lionel. Enjoy. Lew
Scientific toys always have a special appeal for collectors, here is one made by EDOBAUD in France around 1935. It is called "automotrice" and is made on the base of a passenger car with a motorized bogie in three rail O gauge. The front just had a light to figure it and the back is closed. It represent the type of rail cars used in the country on secondary lines, a sort of doodlebug for you. Luckily I just had the opportunity to buy an original box recently, always a plus for the collection...
Have a nice weekend, Daniel
@G-Man24 posted:Like our friend FM I have nothing new to offer this week . However, I was moving some "stuff" around to store it for the summer months and it struck me how well these two items play well together.
The Lionel mountain backdrops you see were not sold with the Scenic Park (1932-33) in the foreground they actually belong to the earlier Scenic Railway layout (1924-1928) but it would have made a nice combination for someone looking for "right- out-of-the-box" landscaping. Lay some Standard Gage track around it and you were ready to go !
Could this be considered early "kit bashing" ? :-)
G-Man24 that is a great match ! I have always loved the early artwork used as backdrops for the Standard Gauge trains. I’m still looking forward to seeing any new progress on your layout .
@FRENCHTRAINS posted:.
Have a nice weekend, Daniel
Nice. I like the "Leatherette" covered box with the embossed artwork . Also that power hookup made from a wooden sleeper and the little porcelain insulators is really neat.
Daniel - that "toy" is fantastic. It reminds me that in the early days, toy trains were marketed to parents (never kids) as "educational toys" where they could learn skills for career building. What impresses me is the level of sophistication. In 1935 Marx in the US was just beginning to market their 6" 4 wheel cars , what a difference! lewrail - just to let you know you are not alone in hunting train show bargains, I have the same loco and 3 of the 5 cars in the consist, all "found" by searching UNDER the tables back when we had train shows and bargaining to folks that by selling to me they would not have to it up for the trip home (LOL)!
Well like Fatman, I have no strictly RR tinplate acquisitions for today. But you like this Craigstan (Japan) mobile pet shop truck from the golden age of Japanese lithographed tinplate the 1960's. It is about 0 scale although I suppose not very realistic, however I could not resist the elaborate lithographed design. Originally, it came with a few plastic "pets" that you could carry in the truck. Alas in the last 60 or so years they have all "run away".
Best wishes for a great Holiday weekend.
Don
Well.... how the worm turns !
Yesterday nada!!! Today Mucho ! lol ...
While not a huge collector of reproductions I relaxed the rules a little for a 1980's Paya re-issue of their cute little mining train .
In the early 1980's the Paya family turned over the struggling toy plant to the employees in a last ditch attempt to keep their history alive . The company then decided to reproduce a small range of their original toys in limited numbers rather than bear the expense of retooling for new products . one of these re-issues was the 837 mining train ... now you will see PLENTY of these cute little locos singly on ebay and in stores , but beware because most of them are NOT made in Alicante in Spain , but were cloned by the chinese... and because there is no Paya Hermanos these days to dispute the trademark , the clones bear both Paya and the PH logo!
The Chinese clones are also a bit smaller than the re-issues I believe ?
So is it a reproduction when a toy is made by the same company, using employees of that company who's father and grandfathers worked there in an unbroken tradition , using the same tooling, and traditions as the original ??? Its a curly question lol ....Which is why I am happier with the term of Re-Issue for the Allicante made toys , and reproduction/fake for the chinese ones ... The Chinese ones also have a shockingly cheap mecanism and plastic axle keepers on the front axle , while the Paya Originals and re-issues have brass ones 
But enough of politics and semantics and to the crux of the matter ...
Set # 556
Annnnnd it didnt stop there .. same seller also had a not too bad Marx 999 ... so it had to come to me as well
Single reduction motor with plain rivet front . Yet to do any real research/dating , those in the know feel free
Aware it should have the tinplate tender yes? but hey it was cheep enuff
Video from last night:
Scott Smith
Lionel Classics 1318
American Flyer Crossing Gate in the box
Another video from Bob’s. This one from this past Sunday. A few unusual pieces being run.
Steve
A classic French Hornby set from 1936-37, the Golden Arrow. The passenger cars are a French deco of the British ones, not realistics but a nice train to enjoy. The white roof is a repaint on a car, the original set just had two of them.
Have a nice weekend, Daniel
Hello tinplate fans...what a great selection in your posts this week. Trainlover160, what a find the AF crossing gate in the box! Arne the Karl Bub set is really wonderful, thanks for posting as I doubt I would get to see it otherwise. Daniel ... WOW...first on 5/14 you post a 26-27 French Hornby set in the box and then the just fabulous Hornby Golden Arrow...just marvelous
I am afraid my offering today is much more humble. A simple Hornby M-2 set from the post war period, roughly 1950's. Here are the trains with their circle (oval really) of track and the box of track clips. This set still has the paperwork intact as well.
The box cover, with its highly exaggerated picture of the trains inside!
Here is the paperwork inside, including a packing slip with the inspector's stamp and an application to join the Hornby Railway Company.
Best wishes to all.
Don
@Don McErlean posted:
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Great find - beautiful. But it's always sad to see such a wonderful toy that was never enjoyed by its recipient.
@Arne, @FRENCHTRAINS, those both look amazing! And @Don McErlean, you already know I am a sucker for a nice Hornby!
Arne,
those cars were also sold by Carette in the 1911 catalog with an appropriate 4-4-0.
Roland
@Arne posted:New this week, a Karl Bub LNWR train from the 20s.
Arne
Looks like the First Class passengers got the middle seats ! And the guard had a car all to himself, wondering what he was guarding ?
@Don McErlean posted:
Don that set is in amazing condition and very complete. Looks like new old stock.
Mallard 4468, G-Man24, AND jhz563 thank your for your compliments. Mallard, I agree its too bad that a set like the one I posted never found its way to some lucky young person. How it arrived in the US is another interesting thought, although Hornby did export its trains. G-man it might be new old stock as I purchased it in the 1980's from a local hobby shop in Beavercreek , Ohio, a suburb of Dayton (where we lived at the time) . It does seem like new, the cardboard under the cars is hardly wrinkled from removing them from the box. The engine had been removed - likely to test it.
Best wishes for a great week everyone.
Don
Tail End Tuesday
Hello Arne,
The red guards van I bought because i thought it was a Midland livery. I have two Midland coaches both are missing the plates with the Buffers and bogies. (someone had converted them to 4 wheel coaches) so I am looking for those parts. After comparing the lithography i assumed the red on was from the later Bub issued train (as shown in Die Anderen Nurnberger)
I do have a second LNWR guards van with lighter colored guards Ducket, but I never compared them closely. I had thought that the lithography was similar in color on the two main bodies with only the ducket being different. I will have to dig the second one out and look at them closely.
Regards
Roland
We have an open house this Saturday at the Roanoke Valley Model Railroad Club 10-5. No admission charge. We are located in the basement of the Virginia Museum of Transportation (Around back).
Here is a Facebook live video from last night:
Scott Smith
@Steve "Papa" Eastman posted:Tail End Tuesday
The sight of an F-unit in a tinplate roundhouse is disorienting.
The trains made by LR, Louis Roussy, in France are not easy to find in nice condition due to the lack of primer before applying paint. This model of a French Nord Pacific was in a very bad shape and with some missing parts and missing tender. I should have taken pictures before and even if I prefer all original pieces I had to restore completely this one, it is a 1937 model, first year it appears with smoke deflectors. The tender is a little older as it has the first type of coupler but is a perfect match to the loco.
Have a nice weekend, Daniel
Arne,
the LNWR loco is in fantastic condition congratulations on a great find.
Daniel,
that is my favorite LR loco, you did a great job on the restoration. I hope I can find one some day.
Roland
Thanks Roland, in general I do not repaint anything but this one was in very bad shape so I have to make an exception... Even in France they are not easy to find and generally expensives. Now I have to find a matching set, a little more easy but hard to find in very good condition.
Very Best, Daniel
Arne and Daniel you continue to amaze me with what you find and display. Beautiful locomotives - thanks for sharing.
Don
Again lean times at Casa Fatmanos ... however I just had to "rescue" this wee fellow from a guy in the UK ...
Only one photo to work off and the fellow is not really knowledgable but has stated its a Bub ... I am inclined to work with that for now lol , its in a shocking state, but I think its worth playing with as my brain is telling me it could be quite early ... I am thinking in the 1910's? ( I am sure @Arne wil be able to set me straight with a glance tho )
I am also having fanciful notions it might be early Carette for Bub ? With the external brake shoes on the front wheels it certainly marks it as early-ish also the tinplate chimney with soldered moulding ( thats moved) ... It will never win a beauty show , but with some cleaning and fettling I think it stands a chance of a second life ?
A fun project regardless and affordable for what it might be ? hint postage was twice the cost of the actual loco and spare body lol ...
Great stuff as always from the usual suspects above ... @Arne @FRENCHTRAINS. @Don McErlean @rdigilio !
( lovely boxed hornby Don! )
Not so bad @Fatman, with some TLC it could be a nice model. I would say Karl Bub but Carette also produced the same one; it is a sort of a generic model.... I have one that has no stamping or marking of any kind... so it must be a Bub one. Arne is better than me to identify those German models. I think my tender is not the right one but I have no extra tender and it doesn't look too bad. I have, in case of necessity a spare motor for that piece with a complet linkage... so if you are in need of spare parts...
Very Best, Daniel
It´s an old missunderstanding.
The cheaper trains in the Carette catalog were never made by Carette, they were always bought in, sometimes even with the Carette logo embossed on them. Carette had sold some trains made by Bub and by Issmayer and a few by Adolf Schuhmann too.
The Loco is a Bub No 640, was sold through various wholesalers like Ullman & Engelmann, Emilio Resti in Italy and some other.
Building time was around 1905-1923. There are various variants of it.
Daniel,
your Loco looks excellent and has the rare lead front lamp. The tender looks good, but was made by Issmayer.
We had made a history of this loco, with a lot of pictures. It´s in German, but with google translator not a problem.
Arne
Thank you fellows both!
It seems to correctly pin down the time period I will have to have the loco in hand for some better studying of characteristics , the kicker will appear to be what sort of governor it is runing ?
A wonderful find ... and challenge ... I think lol ...
Daniel .... I may have to take you up on your offer of the motor after I have got it here and had a good look ... I think I have your email , I will send you a test one and say hello to be sure
In other Bub related news I found a Bub automated roundhouse on German ebay .. the first I have ever seen for sale .. sadly a lot of other people saw it too , and its going to sell for well above what my cheapskate pockets can afford , but a bargain at any price I think simply for the rarity of the piece? ( if you have deeper pockets than me ... which isnt hard lol 
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Anyone interested, its item# 174808354787 " Bub nr.856 Automatische Drehscheibe "
Arne, thanks for the link to the KBN engines. After going through the site I still have a question.
Below is a picture of two variations of the engine (along with an Issmayer local) waiting to depart Ophir Central Station
The engine with the black cowcatcher has a horizontal bar which is tabbed to the underside of the right hand cylinder (see detail below)
It isn't connected to anything else. My guess is it's supposed to act as a trip for something - perhaps a special section of track with lever that reverses the direction of travel - or perhaps something else. Would you know what it is for and, if it is supposed to actuate something, what that something might be?
Robert,
Karl Bub had made a lot of automatic trains. One problem is that there were sometimes different models for Europe and the USA.
You can find this trains in the catalogs from Bub, Carette, Ullmann & Engelmann, A.C McClurg USA and much others.
This horizontal bars had switched. Your loco has the bar on the right side, no idea which set. The same bar on the left side was on an automatic stop train.
Arne
Great! Thanks for the information Arne.
Morning Fatman:
I have these two little German tinplate wagons I would like to "gift" to you, if you are interested. One is a Marklen passenger carriage, and the other is a Distler baggage wagon (I believe).
The baggage wagon has one "wobbly" wheel, but still tracks well. Both wagons appear to be in a reasonable condition for their age, and their long journey away from their birthplace.
I got them in a job lot of Buco trains on the Ricardo Swiss auction site some months ago, but I have no need for them.
They are "orphans" and looking for a good home, if you are interested. I'll even stump-up the cost of the postage, as you live "locally" - (in Australia).
Let me know if you want to take the plunge.
Peter......Buco Australia.
@Robert S. Butler The right hand trip switch was also used for the Automatic turntable ... I have a slightly later version of it from the md to late 20's ( the loco , not the turntable sadly)
@Buco An amazingly fine gesture and offer regarding the wagons ! I will at the very minimum insist on paying at least for postage ! ( and you just KNOW I am gonna add on an extra "lobster" for the pair , think of it as investment in your next Buco! ) There is a contact email on my profile and I see one on yours too ... incoming!
Video from Tuesday night:
Building a round tinplate high rise (in progress)
I still need to paint and add windows.
Scott Smith
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