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@G-Man24  I found one of the carriages ages ago and the William Crookes Set has been on my radar since then!



GMan24:  that Marx “William Crooks” set with the box etc is quite valuable.

I have to admit when you guys were calling it William Crooks I was confused. A quick Google search and I realized that Marx had  re-branded the set as "Tales of Wells Fargo"  I also see the same set was marketed as "Pioneer Old Fashioned Train Set".

Then I remembered a broken piece of plastic that was in the bottom of the box of stuff. It said Wm. Cro.....   but it didn't look like it broke off the Wells Fargo tender so I had no idea where it came from. Now it all makes sense...

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I'm afraid it also answers what happed to the Locomotive, apparently it met an unceremonious demise.



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One of the Ives 3251s recently returned to running order is this Series 3 version:

A strong runner, it's pretty battered in its current form, to the extent it's missing a door on one side and the bell is long gone. While I'm long past a time where I wanted things to be pristine, I'm seriously thinking of giving this a refurb, i.e. a strip and repaint after a bit of straightening and dent removal. It never occurred to me that the cab doors on these things were a separate piece of metal soldered into place.

PD

Ok Tinplate fans, today I am offering something quite different.  It is an engine from my small collection of lithographed tin toys.  This is a Diesel Switcher (Road type switcher of the GP type) by Masudaya of Japan.  This is a brute!  It is 17" long, 4" high (not including the horns) and 3 1/2 " wide.  It does have flanged wheels and the gauge is 2 1/2 " that is 3/4" larger than "G" gauge.  IAW the box this toy has..."mystery action" (whatever that is), realistic whistle (for a diesel?), engine sound, and headlight.  It is powered by 3 "D" batteries.  This dates from the 1960's which was a golden era in Japanese lithographed tin plate and I think you will agree they did a marvelous job on this item.  I also liked the slogan of the manufacturer...it was printed on the box..." For the Children of the World from...Masudaya"  Their trademark by the way, which you may recognize from other toys is "TM" in a diamond shaped logo.

Here she is with her box from the side.  The "N?W" notation is either N&W perhaps meaning Norfolk and Western or NEW just meaning that it was new.  I cannot really interpret the stylized "E" between the N and W.

Japanese floor switcher side

View from the front quarter showing the "headlight" and the multi-color lithography

Japanese floor switcher front quarter

Here from the rear or end of the long hood,

Japanese floor switcher rear

A couple of top views showing that the lithography continues on all sides plus add on fans , Horn, and vent

Japanese floor switcher partial top view

The side of the box ...by the way the caution reads..."Ages 3 and Up" luckily I qualify.

Japanese floor switcher top

I included the close up of the cab area to illustrate the quality of the lithography done in Japan at this time.  Multiple colors, peoples faces, rivets, stripping, vents (in two colors),treads etc.  Quite elaborate.

Japanese floor switcher cab view

Well its strange, not exactly a common toy train maker but it is tinplate!  Best wishes

Don

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Ok Tinplate fans, today I am offering something quite different.  It is an engine from my small collection of lithographed tin toys.  This is a Diesel Switcher (Road type switcher of the GP type) by Masudaya of Japan.  This is a brute!  It is 17" long, 4" high (not including the horns) and 3 1/2 " wide.  It does have flanged wheels and the gauge is 2 1/2 " that is 3/4" larger than "G" gauge.  IAW the box this toy has..."mystery action" (whatever that is), realistic whistle (for a diesel?), engine sound, and headlight.  It is powered by 3 "D" batteries.  This dates from the 1960's which was a golden era in Japanese lithographed tin plate and I think you will agree they did a marvelous job on this item.  I also liked the slogan of the manufacturer...it was printed on the box..." For the Children of the World from...Masudaya"  Their trademark by the way, which you may recognize from other toys is "TM" in a diamond shaped logo.

Here she is with her box from the side.  The "N?W" notation is either N&W perhaps meaning Norfolk and Western or NEW just meaning that it was new.  I cannot really interpret the stylized "E" between the N and W.

Japanese floor switcher side

View from the front quarter showing the "headlight" and the multi-color lithography

Japanese floor switcher front quarter

Here from the rear or end of the long hood,

Japanese floor switcher rear

A couple of top views showing that the lithography continues on all sides plus add on fans , Horn, and vent

Japanese floor switcher partial top view

The side of the box ...by the way the caution reads..."Ages 3 and Up" luckily I qualify.

Japanese floor switcher top

I included the close up of the cab area to illustrate the quality of the lithography done in Japan at this time.  Multiple colors, peoples faces, rivets, stripping, vents (in two colors),treads etc.  Quite elaborate.

Japanese floor switcher cab view

Well its strange, not exactly a common toy train maker but it is tinplate!  Best wishes

Don

I would love to stuff a STD Gauge motor in one of those😜🤪

Steve

Fatman / jhz563 :  Thanks for your comments on my Masudaya.  Trademark is certainly confusing but appreciate the information.  jhz...I would agree, a lithograph GP type diesel in 0 gauge would be really neat.  The flat sides would give you plenty of room to make the design and the colorful liveries of the past would make for a neat engine.

Best Wishes

Don

Fatman / jhz563 :  Thanks for your comments on my Masudaya.  Trademark is certainly confusing but appreciate the information.  jhz...I would agree, a lithograph GP type diesel in 0 gauge would be really neat.  The flat sides would give you plenty of room to make the design and the colorful liveries of the past would make for a neat engine.

Best Wishes

Don

If you search ebay, you will find that they also made an identical engine in the Santa Fe livery.

Just fresh from an attic in France this little 240 loco made by JEP.   It was the entry level model in electric from 1933-37 and has seen many variations. It has no reverse so forward only and the matching cars are simple for passengers and classic JEP for freight sets. It can be found with different types of tenders, piping on the loco, with or without front lights depending of the type of current used, only low voltage of 20v have a front light. Couplers may also be of several types.

Those little locos are not very sought after and under appreciated by JEP collectors even if they could be fun to search and not expensive. They where also made in clockwork so a lot of variations to discover....

120 NORD 1933-1120 NORD 1933-2

Here are some different ones with their sets,

120 NORD 1933-34-35120 NORD 1934-4120 NORD 1934-6120 NORD 1935 - 1120 NORD 1935 - 2

Daniel

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Daniel : The JEP loco's are neat and I have not seen them before except in some book pictures.  I like the little ones myself, because it think it likely that because they were cheaper, Mom & Dad are more likely to have purchased them for their children and hence they were really played with...so have a history.  Thanks for sharing.

OBTW I just purchased the new book "Hornby Trains in France" by Chris Graebe.  If you have not seen it you should take  a look, the pictures are beautiful, full color, etc and complete with a reasonable history of when they were manufactured.  I found my copy on e-bay from  Chris himself and it came with a signed memo!  

Best wishes

Don

Hello Don, small models are as interesting to collect than the big ones. They where more affordable in their time by modest families and have been priced by their previous owners, you are so right. The Hornby book on French models is a must have, sure you will enjoy it.

From the same attic also came this one, unfortunately tender is missing but I will find one. She came with her matching passenger car. I already have the same model so I will not keep this one. It is a streamlined model from 1935, very popular little 240 loco which has been made in lithos and painted brown, the first models are stamped NORD and as the old railways companies became the SNCF in that same year the lettering was very fast changed for it.

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And finally best of all was this JEP electric loco from the Paris-Orleans railways.  Came with her box which is fine, unfortunately no passenger cars.... this model is the 1938 version and as I didn't have this variation that is one more in the collection....now the attic is empty and all the missing trains have certainly been trashed a long time ago.  Finally those ones are saved and will be preserved.

2d2 PO 52d2 PO 6

Have a nice weekend, Daniel

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@FRENCHTRAINS/ @Robert S. Butler :  Those JEP trains are really neat, the "modern" streamlining of steamers parallels what was going on in the US in the 1930's with locomotive streamlining...really great to see.  Thank you for posting.  I have the French Hornby example of the PO locomotive but in Hornby it was (unrealistically) an 0-4-0 and based on what Daniel posted, the headlight is in the wrong place!

French Hornby Train- close up front view [2)

Best wishes

Don

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@Don McErlean very nice French Hornby! And agree with you regarding @Robert S. Butler and @FRENCHTRAINS JeP! I almost picked some up at a train show on Sunday but arrived late and it was packed away after my first go around. I love the size and uniqueness of not only JeP but Hornby as well. While I don't have any of either in significant numbers, they're certainly distinct from the Central European offerings- in a good way

It's been awhile since I posted in tinplate. Here are some items I've gotten recently:

Prewar Flyer 1115 Automobile car- I believe that the doors or roof aren't original to the car. Lionel/Ives transformer station sans transformer and a Bing Illinois Central Boxcar. All in pretty good shape except for the doors of the Illinois Central

Prewar AF 1115 Automobile car Ives:Lionel station Bing IC

In addition to the station transformer above, these are the other 3 tinplate items I bought at the show on Sunday- almost all bodies/housing have either no nicks/scratches or very few!



Ives LV Boxcar NYC&HR 128 large gon Hoge Tom Thumb PH



Hoge Tom Thumb Powerhouse with original transformer(on the inside) and chord intact, roof has some bent portions but for $10 thought it was a decent deal

Ives Lehigh Valley RR boxcar- also got it for a low priced to the seller saying the roof isn't original- although it doesn't appear it's not original, it's also pretty scuffed. Appears to be a version produced between 1920-1925 judging by the trucks and paint.

Ives N.Y.C. & H.R. 128 gondola. Nice, larger size that looks great with prewar 800/2800 series Lionel. Two red crossbars, cream color



Hoge tom thumb powerhouse prewar hamburg jan 2022

Lastly, side shot of the Tom Thumb Power House  showing the control for the transformer

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@StevefromPA posted:

It's been awhile since I posted in tinplate. Here are some items I've gotten recently:

Prewar Flyer 1115 Automobile car- I believe that the doors or roof aren't original to the car.

Prewar AF 1115 Automobile car Ives:Lionel station Bing IC



I would guess that your Flyer boxcar is 100% original.  Flyer was simply using up various colored lithograph doors to get rid of them and your car appears to have gotten a set of blue doors.  Here is a picture of mine with the same trucks/frame/roof.  Although it has green doors, I have differing variations with brown litho doors, orange litho doors, and red litho doors. 

Steve from PA : Here is my 1115.  It appears to be like the one just below NWL's in the picture in his response.  No journal boxes, no brake wheel, lithographed ladder and black frame.  8 wheel car was made from 1919-1929.  The cars with the lithographed ladder and no brake wheel or journals were the earlier cars.  The one's like yours and NWL  pictured are later '29-30 and Flyer put the "add on" ladder right over the lithographed ladder.  However I agree, the car you have appears to be original.    Don

AF Automobile Car

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Steve from PA : Here is my 1115.  It appears to be like the one just below NWL's in the picture in his response.  No journal boxes, no brake wheel, lithographed ladder and black frame.  8 wheel car was made from 1919-1929.  The cars with the lithographed ladder and no brake wheel or journals were the earlier cars.

Don,

Actually, the lithographed cars with the brass ladders, journals, and brakewheels  are from 1930 and after, the gray 8-wheel trucks are the key, as they were not produced until 1930.  I believe the 1930 catalog indicates "brightly colored cars with brass trim" and the 1931 catalog states "enameled" for a description, as the artwork did not change.

The 4 wheel lithographed freight cars were sold at least through 1935/1936 in various low priced/uncataloged sets, as at least a couple of the cars in my post date to the mid-1930s.  Some of the late 4 wheel cars come with the brass trim and some come without the brass trim.

NWL

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