What will be the new Sunset Diesel Locomotive announcement?

GenesisFan99 posted:
Matt Makens posted:

The coast starlight isnt that long my El Capitan is 14 cars I think and that is an awesome train. My daylight train is 10 cars but I wish that was 14 as well.

14 cars? Dear god that's almost 25 feet long

You should measure my 12 Atlas Zephyr powered by 2 Sunset E7s and I threw in an Amtrak box car, it's about 35' long.

Dick

 

 

Dick Donaway

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GenesisFan99 posted:
Bruk posted:

I've been waiting for someone to do an U50 not a U50c in O scale. Its just a Veranda Turbine frame and trucks with a different shell.

Doing a sound set for that would probably be a different story.

It has dual FDL-16's. I don't see how that could be an issue, it would just have two start up sounds laid over each other. But I would just rip out the TMCC and add DCC with either ESU or Soundtracks decoders.  If MTH did it I would leave it alone...if they did it right on the sound.

SANTIAGOP23 posted:

imageimageI think the Krauss Maffeis would make great candidates for brass models. Between SP and RG modelers each getting two units or more a 150 unit run is not crazy thinking...plus they are awesome and unique! 

 

Not my cup of tea but I'd venture to say these would be a great seller.  

Unusual or unique things sell well in this hobby. 

Rob M. ARHS # 3846 PRRT&HS # 8141 EPTC "Life Is Like A Mountain Railway, With An Engineer That's Brave..."

Rule292 posted:
SANTIAGOP23 posted:

imageimageI think the Krauss Maffeis would make great candidates for brass models. Between SP and RG modelers each getting two units or more a 150 unit run is not crazy thinking...plus they are awesome and unique! 

 

Not my cup of tea but I'd venture to say these would be a great seller.  

Unusual or unique things sell well in this hobby. 

thats a nice option as well, i go for one or two A engines Rio Grande

 

Cor

moonlicht posted:
Rule292 posted:
SANTIAGOP23 posted:

imageimageI think the Krauss Maffeis would make great candidates for brass models. Between SP and RG modelers each getting two units or more a 150 unit run is not crazy thinking...plus they are awesome and unique! 

 

Not my cup of tea but I'd venture to say these would be a great seller.  

Unusual or unique things sell well in this hobby. 

thats a nice option as well, i go for one or two A engines Rio Grande

 

Cor

Many years ago there was a great article on the KMs in Trains magazine I think it was. It was titled something like "When the Rio Grande went to Rochester".  It described the KMs testing on the NYC. 

They had a few teething problems and they had clearance issues in third rail territory. It mentioned maintenance requirements and the time required to stop and reverse directions as the biggest issues with the Voith transmissions.

 

 

Rob M. ARHS # 3846 PRRT&HS # 8141 EPTC "Life Is Like A Mountain Railway, With An Engineer That's Brave..."

Rule292 posted:
moonlicht posted:
Rule292 posted:
SANTIAGOP23 posted:

imageimageI think the Krauss Maffeis would make great candidates for brass models. Between SP and RG modelers each getting two units or more a 150 unit run is not crazy thinking...plus they are awesome and unique! 

 

Not my cup of tea but I'd venture to say these would be a great seller.  

Unusual or unique things sell well in this hobby. 

thats a nice option as well, i go for one or two A engines Rio Grande

 

Cor

Many years ago there was a great article on the KMs in Trains magazine I think it was. It was titled something like "When the Rio Grande went to Rochester".  It described the KMs testing on the NYC. 

They had a few teething problems and they had clearance issues in third rail territory. It mentioned maintenance requirements and the time required to stop and reverse directions as the biggest issues with the Voith transmissions.

 

 

found this web page, a lot off information about these magnificent engines

http://sp9010.ncry.org/index.htm

i hope somebody is going to produce them

Cor

I agree with the suggestions for a GP-7/9 series.  I went through at least three imported brass models before I finally got an Oriental import that ran well.  I also tried an Atlas  GP, but it ran like a scalded rabbit.  We really do need GPs that run as well as Scott's other diesels.

Wes Morgenstern posted:

I agree with the suggestions for a GP-7/9 series.  I went through at least three imported brass models before I finally got an Oriental import that ran well.  I also tried an Atlas  GP, but it ran like a scalded rabbit.  We really do need GPs that run as well as Scott's other diesels.

In 2-rail? Really? A friend has one that we have moving smoothly at ~.8 smph. And, that is with the original QSI Quantum decoder. The new ones coming have ESU Loksound, from which I expect even better motor control.

Anywho, my big prediction ... lol .... is for a 4 axle 1st generation diesel, with undecorated version options. I'll spring for two of these expensive engines.

moonlicht posted:
Rule292 posted:
moonlicht posted:
Rule292 posted:
SANTIAGOP23 posted:

imageimageI think the Krauss Maffeis would make great candidates for brass models. Between SP and RG modelers each getting two units or more a 150 unit run is not crazy thinking...plus they are awesome and unique! 

 

Not my cup of tea but I'd venture to say these would be a great seller.  

Unusual or unique things sell well in this hobby. 

thats a nice option as well, i go for one or two A engines Rio Grande

 

Cor

Many years ago there was a great article on the KMs in Trains magazine I think it was. It was titled something like "When the Rio Grande went to Rochester".  It described the KMs testing on the NYC. 

They had a few teething problems and they had clearance issues in third rail territory. It mentioned maintenance requirements and the time required to stop and reverse directions as the biggest issues with the Voith transmissions.

 

 

found this web page, a lot off information about these magnificent engines

http://sp9010.ncry.org/index.htm

i hope somebody is going to produce them

Cor

Marty - you forgot to press the "reply with quote" button.

Bruk posted:
GenesisFan99 posted:
Bruk posted:

I've been waiting for someone to do an U50 not a U50c in O scale. Its just a Veranda Turbine frame and trucks with a different shell.

Doing a sound set for that would probably be a different story.

It has dual FDL-16's. I don't see how that could be an issue, it would just have two start up sounds laid over each other. But I would just rip out the TMCC and add DCC with either ESU or Soundtracks decoders.  If MTH did it I would leave it alone...if they did it right on the sound.

Well in that case, then it wouldn't be an issue however depending on the horn and bell that could be a bit harder for sound techs to find.

If I had a dollar for every train I've window-shopped for but couldn't have, I'd own Lionel.

1950 or 1990 ..... eastern roads or western roads .... 2-axle trucks or 3-axle trucks ..... zebra stripes or tiger stripes or toothpaste stripes, or even basic blue ..... everybody  loves the ornery looking and sounding RS-3/5's. They'd sell like hotcakes. 

Come on, Jonathan!! Before I have to commit my funds elsewhere.

alco

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For me it would have to be a set of GE EVOs ES 40-44 series or newer Gevos to invest in Scotts product, these started in 2002-2003 so most RRs have them either new or second hand,as a long time 2 railer MTHs models don't cut it for me although they look impressive sitting in my dealers showcase [Just Trains]. JMO

I'd be very interested in some nicely-detailed Amtrak equipment. Superliners would sell like hotcakes because we all know that K Line cars are impossible to find and Lionel cars aren't long enough.

All these other ideas are cool though. Krauss-Maffei seems like an interesting idea.

If I had a dollar for every train I've window-shopped for but couldn't have, I'd own Lionel.

GenesisFan99 posted:

I'd be very interested in some nicely-detailed Amtrak equipment. Superliners would sell like hotcakes because we all know that K Line cars are impossible to find and Lionel cars aren't long enough.

All these other ideas are cool though. Krauss-Maffei seems like an interesting idea.

It does seem like the biggest or the oddest seem to sell well.   Lots of Big Boys, Cab Forwards and H8's  and only a handful of small steam.   Things like the PRR mikados were slow sellers and even the GPM ten wheelers, which are state of the art,  really don't command premium prices.

F and E units seem to buck this trend, maybe because the streamliner is the archetypal diesel.   Hard not to like warbonnets and just about everything looks good on an E or F unit.

it segues into one of my pet peeves in that we ought to have the common things done in perfection first before we buy the oddballs.  But then again what fun would model railroading be if it weren't for the fun things instead of the mundane. 

The KM surely takes the cake here and it might even have some global appeal if the German version could be made alongside the US version.

Yep, no love for the grunt on the RR, the SD40-2 or their "modern" GE counterpart ESs.   Think Rodney and "I can't get no respect". 

Rob M. ARHS # 3846 PRRT&HS # 8141 EPTC "Life Is Like A Mountain Railway, With An Engineer That's Brave..."

If you believe something will sell well you are encouraged to contact Scott and sponsor the run.  He is constantly asking people in several venues how many they will reserve if he makes X.  So far the most successful in that attempt was the SD40-2 and it is obvious all of those "you'll sell all you make" people are wrong.  Just plain flat wrong.   You are especially wrong with regards to Amtrak.  When he does Amtrak of anything reservations and sales are less than 5%, much less actually,  of the total.  And I know because I have sponsored some Amtrak and have a hard time selling them.  He still has 2 Amtrak 3-rail E8s, as of a week or so ago, that the reserver backed out of and have had no takers in months.

And for those that complain " I don't buy the cars because there is no locomotive" or "I don't buy the locomotive because there are no cars" they are also the biggest complainers if he makes a set with both because that costs too much.  The ToT and the Rockets seem to be in a sweet spot because there are only 4 cars.

So while I find it frustrating that the market for "modern" stuff is so small, I am able to limit my spending because of it and I have zero interest in old Alcos or KMs if they are made.

Rule292 posted:
GenesisFan99 posted:

 

All these other ideas are cool though. Krauss-Maffei seems like an interesting idea.


The KM surely takes the cake here and it might even have some global appeal if the German version could be made alongside the US version.

 

I don't think there was a German equivalent to the KM ML 4000's. 

German domestic diesel hydraulics were compact things on B-B trucks similar to this:

V160 Family DB 218 395-2

Rusty

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Bear in mind until Scott actually posts a model for reservation this is all speculation on our part as to sufficient reservations being made for the model he selects, based on the posts and Scotts comments nothing noteworthy has come to mind yet, so whatever model is selected he should have several backup models available to post in case the first selection does not work out,just saying!

EBT Jim posted:

1950 or 1990 ..... eastern roads or western roads .... 2-axle trucks or 3-axle trucks ..... zebra stripes or tiger stripes or toothpaste stripes, or even basic blue ..... everybody  loves the ornery looking and sounding RS-3/5's. They'd sell like hotcakes. 

Come on, Jonathan!! Before I have to commit my funds elsewhere.

alco

These are a good indicator of one of the problems with O scale.

Folks are content with the really bad renditions from Atlas (and RTR Weaver) so we will seemingly never get ones that are 21st century in accuracy.  

Can't blame manufacturers for not making it if we aren't buying it. 

Rob M. ARHS # 3846 PRRT&HS # 8141 EPTC "Life Is Like A Mountain Railway, With An Engineer That's Brave..."

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